That’s all I gotta say, I miss it.
I’d dare to say it’s the reason why they can’t do a show together at this time.
And in other news, it turns out water is wet..
Ah fuck really? I don't want wet rain. I'll get wet.
Why can't Israel Palestine just listen to John Lennon imagine
I honestly think that the sky is blue
This comment is so funnily worded
sadly I don’t think it’ll happen until the Palestinian Genocide is over
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Super chill when the US and other major countries don't decide to intervene
These guys have beef that predates the existence of the US by thousands of years
This particular beef dates back to the 1940s, however.
How odd that a genocide they apparently agree on is stopping them? 🤔 hmmm
because hasan is pretty much celebrating the genocide on the other side...
Outside of everything else, I think a big reason is that you can't get sponsors with pro Palestine views. If I remember correctly, there was a big drought in sponsors after that.
'I guess sometimes I just miss my friend...'
Election special?
You read my mind 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽
Let’s ride.
They could . I think till Israel Palestine dies down they won't . It's just not worth it for either
Soo... ethan brought the topic of I/P when the isrealis were getting killed, but when the Palestinians are getting decimated he stopped as if it's controversial !
If he wants to bring Hasan, he should bring him back and talk about the situation in Gaza first. Then talk about the elections when it happens. He shouldn't use him for clout and whitewashing a genocide.
They missed so much good content 😩 here’s to hoping cause you know it’s gonna be a dumpster fire.
Yeah I really liked leftovers. They’re incredibly good together. It’s too bad that it can’t work because a small part of the audience can’t help but act super fucked up about it.
Leftovers was such a treat. I genuinely looked forward to every episode. I have a super far right q anon moms side of the family that I essentially can’t escape and leftovers was THE podcast I never knew I was searching for until they came along. Had me cracking up every single time.
Yeah I can’t watch live and know a lot of trolls are there when I’m not but I think both these dudes have great hearts and can reconcile if it weren’t for the toxic commenters that always try to divide the common good.
Ethan and Hasan have nothing to reconcile. They are already good. Its really just the rabid fans going after Ethan and his family that made him stop.
It's not small enough part that it could be brushed away. This is an active subreddit, why was Oct-Nov full on shitting on Ethan who had very basic thoughts on Israel? Hell, for sure hundreds were banned in that time too, who knows if sub ever recovered if they weren't.
I think that, and the socialism arc before it, showed the audience for left tube can't be responsible around a big lib/leftist podcast. Unfortunate for them. Pushed me away from watching Hasan altogether, seeing how radicalized his audience now was. Turns out, banning opposing views very rapidly, while keeping all the people who agree with him builds a toxic bubble.
I truly don't feel like Ethan has anything productive or helpful to add to the Israel/Palestine discussion which is probably what they would be talking about most. Ethan does not have much patience for criticism of Israel and would clearly rather talk about antisemetism, which obviously shouldn't go unaddressed but when that's all Ethan wants to talk about against the backdrop of a literal genocide it's gives off a real bad impression. Huge shame cause I also dearly miss leftovers.
Yep, to me this is the real reason why leftovers ended. Not because a very small section of hasans fans were mean to Ethan. He really couldn’t handle any more discussions about Israel and seemed incapable of speaking about it in a fair, productive and mature manner. It’s a shame really
You’re right. It wasn’t the unhinged people harassing him, his employees, his family, drawing pictures of his pregnant wife murdering children, etc.
It was definitely Ethan Klein not being able to handle talking about controversial topics.
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I wasn’t referring to the anti-h3 subreddit, and I didn’t even mention Hasan’s community. You’re putting stuff on me that I didn’t say. The topic brought Ethan, his employees and his family a lot of harassment. That was my statement and it was a factually true statement. Idk why it got twisted into blaming Hasan???
This is exactly the type of narrative-building that became too much for Ethan. The man, who self-admittedly said he is biased because his family, the mother of his children, and her family, are from there, said time and time again that he didn’t like how people celebrated a terrorist attack, which was callous towards the innocent civilians. His wife went through mandatory conscription.
All those things being twisted into “Ethan doesn’t give a fuck about Palestinians. Ethan is just a big baby having a tantrum. His wife murdered children.” is exactly why the show stopped.
Twisting all that into “Ethan Klein can’t handle not having tantrums” is so disingenuous it’s fucking wild.
why are you ascribing every single thing that ever happened in the anti-h3 subreddit to a small section of hasan's fans. the place existed before leftovers was even a thing, let alone when the end of leftovers occurred
It was Ethan Klein not being able to talk about Israel/Palestine specifically. Every time that man talks about Israel he has a childish tantrum. Guess you weren’t there for the last leftovers episode and how poorly Ethan’s tantrums were received
ya definitely had nothing to do with hasan not reigning in his community and mods shitting on ethan and hila relentlessly. awesome friend
bro do you know how many people shit on HASAN himself during hasan's streams? lmfao do you expect him to police the whole thing?
how about a host, like ethan, have the good sense to ignore the damn chat and focus on the discussion at hand.
You know how many people shit on hasan in this sub? Like yourself right now? Hasan can’t ban every person who talks shit about his friends. Every time hasan has talked about Ethan publicly he’s been very kind
Uhhh his own mods were going in on Ethan. Hasan was also extremely patronizing to Ethan during the convos. I'm not surprised Ethan doesn't want to do a show with him.
Ethan wasn’t exactly kind during the debate with hasan either lol
Like what?
I remember Hasan saying, "OK I'm taking the kid gloves off". Has Hasan ever disagreed with a friend before? You don't insult them and demean them. That's obviously going to damage the relationship.
He can ban his mods though can’t he? You know, the people who were instigating most of the hateful rhetoric and allowing it to spread in his chat? Hasan has a fucking team lol, it ain’t like he’s responsible for his chat entirely.
Ethan’s wife and family are Israeli, of course he was having an emotional reaction to people celebrating a terrorist attack on Israelis??? It’s so easy for people like you and Hasan who have no connection to Israel and Palestine to say people are having “tantrums” when they’re upset about war, terror and their families being attacked but y’all have “tantrums” when anyone is sympathetic to Israelis and Jewish people. Ethan was begging Hasan for an ounce of compassion for both people and was told by people like you that he supports genocide and he’s throwing a tantrum. Grow up.
“People like you” lol what are you even talking about? People who are concerned about a genocide? Get over yourself girl. I never said Ethan supported a genocide, don’t lump in with shit I never said. Take your own advice and act your age
No, people that use Palestine to morally grandstand. If you were concerned about a genocide, you wouldn’t say Ethan is “throwing a tantrum” because he’s upset people were murdered. You would never say a passionate Palestinian is throwing a tantrum. You’re the one unable to sympathize at your big age. This rhetoric is from people who say Ethan supports genocide, so maybe you should reflect on that.
I don’t think Ethan has ever supported a genocide… reflect on what girl 😃
Watch the video where he doubles down on Aaron Bushnell and tell me that man isn’t throwing a tantrum. That’s what I’m talking about. I’m not talking about him being angry about Israelis dying
Yeah because Aaron was fucking mentally ill and his death did jack shit for the cause.
Where did he talk to Hasan about Aaron Bushnell? Because your other comments say he threw a tantrum talking to Hasan on the last ep of leftovers. The goalpost is now moving 😁
Also don’t give me that bs about Ethan being so sympathetic when he made fun of Aaron Bushnell. Where was the sympathy there?
Oh, was Bushnell Palestinian? Did he have Palestinian or Israeli family? Was he the direct target of antisemitism? No? False comparison but nice try. You’re really showing your true colors comparing an American white guy to people directly affected by I/P. Also, link where Ethan made fun of him.
Dude, what? He made a joke during his member steam about how he lit himself on fire. Then doubled down hardcore and had a tantrum on the podcast because it was poorly received. That is the tantrum shit I’m talking about that I hate. You have no idea what I’m even talking about so chill out on the accusations
https://youtu.be/WEpd4K2dBBU?si=OVNGnbXpEzvw4dcs
https://www.youtube.com/live/5XrPXgcKwVc?si=FFEAHuLJcAbuz4iF this is the episode where Ethan doubles down and has the tantrum because people are mad at him for making disrespectful jokes
Actual Jake video you have to be trolling 💀 Oh those comments, I thought you had some super lucrative video where actually makes fun of him, my bad! I just don’t think his comments were making fun. He literally complimented the dude and said the Palestinian cause is worth fighting for. What else is he supposed to say? It seemed like he was genuinely commending him for his tenacity. He’s sympathetic to Bushnell’s family. Are you mad he said suicide is bad?? How could you expect a man who was open about his depression and suicidal ideation to say “yeah self immolation is based”? That’s actually super fucked
I'm sure it wasn't people calling him and Hila Zionist Nazis, but go off.
That was a part of it but I think Ethan couldn’t handle having these conversations over and over again. The genocide doesn’t seem to be ending any time soon
Who would have though, Hasan wouldn’t control his chat when Ethan stated he clearly does for hasan’s benefit and kept receiving insane amounts of hate, death threats, and antisemitic comments. I can only imagine why he wouldn’t want to continue this when his co host couldn’t even do the bare minimum of moderating his fucking chat.
I completely understand and agree but here’s hoping he gets and feels better about discussing the topic in a well manner because it’s clearly never going away and I know he’d like to chime in at some point about it.
To be honest if they didn’t discuss it the show would be great, but it’s very important to Has which is probably why they chose to end it
Your comment implies that speaking about the plight of the Palestinian people isn't very important to Ethan and I think that's kind of the whole point right there. Ethan doesn't mind angrily, passionately defending the IDF by claiming they absolutely didn't bomb the Al-Shifa Hospital (nevermind the other 35 hospitals they did bomb) or making sure to tell us all the death toll is coming from the "hamas-run" Gaza Health Ministry. But on the other hand he lowers his voice and calmly says Netanyahu is bad and genocidal and it is an apartheid. So I suppose I have to give him credit for admitting the genocidal intent and that it is in fact a brutal apartheid but it's hard to look past the incredibly stark contrast in tone and emotion.
I have no idea how you got that implication from my comment. But go off I suppose, protesting a lot when I literally said nothing but yes, go off
My bad dude, none of that was supposed to feel targeted towards you, I just thought you made a good point, no hate just love
riiiiight ethan is the problem
i hope they do something, when the US shitshow elections start
So wild how Ethan yapped about the one hospital story even exclaiming if Israel actually did it that it would cause WW3…like okay they didn’t destroy that one hospital but here we are 8 months later and there’s not a single hospital left in Gaza. So weird to see the entire crew post stuff about creators for Palestine on their stories and Ethan is not apart of that. Man I love the show so much I wish he would do a drive for Palestine so much good would come out of it.
Edit: damn this is receiving a lot of love. I just wana say again I don’t hate Ethan or anyone and that I’ve been a fan since like 2014. Watched every vid and podcast and it just sucks that Leftovers has to end cuz of Ethan’s stubbornness. I know Ethan being totally wrong about the hospital story doesn’t mean Ethan deserves threats from Hassan’s discord but man did I just wish he just supported Palestine and didn’t fall for the hospital and river to the sea Zionist traps…
I feel like Ethan’s reaction to Donna accidentally talking about it for a few seconds on air when she called in last time showed why it’s not going to happen right now. Ethan is prob even more pro Israel than we realize but he understands the audience (and I would guess most of the crew) do not agree with his takes so it’s a banned subject basically. It’s clear where he stands and since it’s a huge issue right now there’s no avoiding it. Also, people forget but Hila served in the IDF and both are/were(?) israeli citizens. I think it hits too close to home for them to objectively cover it
Yeah that call pretty much summed it up where I think he stands, for sure his family’s position on it.
Then you have performative activists like frogan who argue in bad faith
You mean one girl with family in lebanon that israel keeps bombing? Surely it's just performative
Frogan is a massive piece of shit, legitimately horrid person. The only reason she isnt perma on twitch is because she is friends with a handful of people who have a lot of influence.
I happened to catch a stream where I think it had to be frogran was at the UCLA protest. Just randomly tuning in to a stream and she was complaining about Ethan and talking about herself instead of the students protesting. I try to be charitable but she was just so off-putting. Like hello your at a protest maybe focus on that, not yourself and someone that hasn't mentioned you in months.
Why would she be banned?
Haha that’s good. Harassment is probably a good place to start. Then you can move over to hate speech and brigading other streamers.
Hate speech? What did she say?
So attacking ethan and hila is ok? Btw hasan didn’t say anything to her when she kept doing that.
lol he is not more pro israel than you think, hes somewhat zionist sure in terms of israel having a right to exist, but not by way the way it happened, (the nakba). and takes issue with ''from the river to the sea palestine will be free'' because he views it as palestine reclaiming their (rightful) land and doing a reverse nakba. understandable, hes wrong about it but its not farfetched someone would think thats the case, especially considering how israel treats palestinians inhumanely.
ethan probably dont want the audience going at his mom for playing mahjong with zionists which is not that weird considering how some people are on the internet.
I really don't. I want Ethan to work on his mental health. He had a rough year last year with Shredder passing, the coverage of Israel-Hamas with Hasan and preparing for another baby.
I don't think he should go back to something that is clearly exacerbating his health problems.
But he talks about reviving frenemies lol.. Hasan himself was good for Ethan. Too bad.
tbf its been like 3 years since frenemies ended, leftovers just ended last year.
He was never serious about restarting frenemies. Nice bait tho friend:)
Hasan was not good for Ethan.
He’s a great friend to Ethan lol
Great friends don't let people relentlessly shit on them in their discord and say he can't stop it. Bull shit he was a good friend. There's a reason Ethan ended the show.
how many fans does hasan have? Pretty unreasonable to expect him to stop all shit talking on his platforms. I see people shit taking hasan here. I guess that makes Ethan a bad friend if we’re going by your immature logic.
Every time hasan has talked about Ethan publicly he’s been kind. Even when Ethan didn’t deserve it
I'm seeing criticism of Hasan in this thread, not unhinged hate. They were spamming that Ethan was a genocide supporter, zionist, idiot, colonizer, dumbass, etc. Making fun of him for crying. Spreading the animation of Hila machine gunning children.
Not sure why you're acting like it's an impossible ask to properly moderate an online community. There are bigger communities that are perfectly capable of it.
Never said it was impossible lol. I just don’t think Hasan is a horrible friend just because some unhinged people were in his community. Yes some more moderation would’ve done some good
But those are unhinged people include his moderators who still moderate his chat and still try to brigade other streamers.
bro why are you responding to literally every single one of my comments are you good?
Fair enough
Didn’t his own mods join in? Lol
His own mods were the most vocal. So of course he couldn’t moderate his chat, he didn’t want to yell at twitch’s back to back rising star.
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He absolutely was, he was and still is extremely charitable. Some of Hasan’s audience just isn’t
How? How was he good for Ethan?
Hasan gave Ethan a lot of new perspectives and helped challenge his worldview or give him insight in places he wasn’t previously informed.
They're saying this because hasan embodies their political beliefs, and they want hasan to 'convert' ethan entirely to their side, not that they genuinely think he is 'good' for ethan.
In their last convo he was speaking to Ethan like he was a child, refused to give any concessions on anything, and said he couldn't control the unhinged hate directed at Ethan that his chat and discord were spamming. Not exactly charitable imo
He was speaking to Ethan like a child because he was acting like one. Some of you need to rewatch their last debate. Ethan literally covered his ears with his hands and refused to listen at one point. xqc level of cringe
He was speaking to him like a child before emotions got high. And oh yes, unlike Hasan, who is never cringe or emotional, especially on live television, and is only megahunk communist hottie
I sense you have something against hasan that’s beyond this Israel/Palestine argument. Not really interested in that tbh. I don’t watch hasan all the time, I only watch some clips on YouTube. He definitely gets too emotional over dumb shit sometimes
Yeah, I disagree with Hasan politically on a lot of things. That doesn't change him speaking to Ethan like a child before emotions got high, though
Hasan did get frustrated, but who wouldn’t be? I mean Ethan was considerably more so in their last few encounters and I’d say it was fair for both of them. He told his community to be more charitable of Ethan and did say not to harass him, saying he couldn’t control them didn’t mean he didn’t try.
saying he couldn’t control them didn’t mean he didn’t try
There are a lot of ways to properly moderate a chat. First would be fostering a community that isn't prone to spewing hatred to a friend and co-host of the streamer. Another would be banning certain words or phrases. Another would be slow mode, or emote only mode. Another would be directing his mods to, I don't know, actually moderate. And unmodding the psycho mods who were taking part
Hasan did none of those things. Just threw his hands in the air and implied Ethan kind of deserved it
This is now just bringing back up a very old debate that is now ended. At this point we stand where we stand on it and neither of us will be able to change each other’s mind on it, so it’s truly not worth arguing. Frenemies is over and the way it happened sucked, but takes on the issue are subjective and since basically everything has been said by now there’s no real point in arguing or “debating” about it because the fact is the points on both sides are already laid down and it’s arrogant to claim you know the objective take over the other.
Say what? I just named a bunch of things he could have done to moderate his chat that he didn't. What is there to debate?
There isn’t anything, that’s why I’m saying it isn’t worth discussing. We disagree, I’m fine with that.
After what frogen did with Ludwig and her being the main driving force for leftovers ending I don’t think so.
Leftovers always kinda felt like it was a child of divorce, Hasan wanted it to critically analyze world politics, Ethan wanted it to laugh and punch at weirdo US politicians, there’s overlap there, but it was clear that neither was amazingly comfortable stepping too far into the others territory. I think it’s run its course.
When did Hassan not want to clown on weirdo US politicians
i mean.. they tried having an in depth conversation about socialism and hasan couldn't/wouldn't even answer how he would hire someone lol.
No.
No thanks.
Agreed, how Ethan got treated by Hasan before the show ended was absolutely unfathomable.
Ethan asking Hasan why he was allowing his community to say anything and everything when it came to insulting him was brutal to watch live, and Hasan responded by saying he deserved it for his positions (???) and said he had no control of what people say in his chat. Keep in mind, this happened a little over a year after Hasan grilled XQC on the importance of moderating his community, and then suddenly Hasan no longer believed in this policing when his side wasn’t on the receiving end. Hasan sided with the craziest people in his community over someone who was supposed to be one of his best friends.
I cannot think of a Jewish Israeli more reasonable than Ethan when it came to the discussions. He clearly engaged in good faith and rightly wanted to protect as many innocent people as possible, and Hasan still allowed his entire community to call him a murderous genocidal freak without remorse.
Nah, it seemed like the show was cancelled every other week and unless trump was doing some crazy shit in the news there wasn’t really anything going on.
I wish for that day too, but only if Ethan can navigate heated topics (or agree to avoid them) in a more healthy way. The end was pretty tough and sad.
Let me introduce you to Hasan tiptoeing around Taiwan…
Why doesn’t he talk about that?
I think he’s very slow to be critical of china
I could be totally wrong but I do think Hasan lets his (mostly valid) anti-American views taint his opinion on issues like Russia and China. So while he does say how he doesn't support their governments he comes across as avoiding being to strongly anti those countries. He seems to think American media tricks people into hating them too much (which it may). I just wish he was stronger on the side of objectivity. Just because America supports Ukraine and Taiwan doesn't mean they are not the morally just side to support.
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Which I don't get why since Tibet was a Chinese breakaway province that became a theocratic serf state and China just went back in and freed said serfs
Like I don't like the CCP as much as the next guy but this is straight up like complaining about the North taking back the South and freeing the slaves. Only waaaaaay less bloody.
No offense but I hope we get a better show. To me leftovers was like an H3 step child lol
I don’t
No
I kinda don’t miss being preached at by Hasan and Ethan getting cancelled all the time cos the topics got him too heated up and he couldn’t keep a lid on it
I doubt it will happen, and I hope it never happens. Just a moment ago Hasan sides with his mod Frogan over insulting Ludwig. That you can't be racist towards white people. And the fact that Frogan is still around him and Hasan is still defending her, on practically every front. Can you imagine what she would say or write if Hasan was on the stream with Ethan?! Hila and Ethan don't need this in their lives, now or later.
How about no. 🤙
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No thanks. Needs less of hasans audience.
Exactly. Hasan‘s orbit does way too much organizing against genocides. Gets really annoying. /s
Do you think Aless was referring to the peaceful protesting, or the death threats? Congratulations, you're the audience we don't need!
I get it man, but we’re all just trying to do what we think is right, besides the bad actor base, which is a minority imo
You must be real fun at parties lmao, full disclosure I’m in both fandoms
Nah, fuck Hasan.
The last time they did anything together online, Hasan completely ignored his friend's feelings and refused to moderate his audience. Unless Hasan's audience stops calling for the total annihilation of Israel, they are not gonna be doing anything together again.
Maybe in five years when people go back to forgetting about this issue again, or a miraculous peace accord is struck. They had great chemistry, but once oct. 7th happened the gulf between them was way too wide.
Hasan is too extreme and engages in too much Hamas apology and running pr tactics to avoid coverage of shitty things they do. Sure, Israel sucks with all they do but Hamas isn't innocent either but he dances around the subject to keep the focus on Israel.
Which one is the lesser evil?
He focuses on the country committing genocide and whose killed 35k men, woman and children (that we know of and which has probably hit well over 40k by now) well starving 2.2 million people instead of how bad the Soviet or Polish partisans were?
Sure, the partisans weren't great people but come on, forest and trees here my guy lol
Edit: how am I being downvoted for saying that yes, Hamas is bad but the apartheid state literally killing women and by the tens of of thousands and starving millions more are worse and that's who we should focus on rn?
Edit 2: Dang it, post got locked just after I wrote a whole long ass retort to you u/satisfactsean lol but tl;dr: No, Israel and Hamas are not the same, just like the Polish partisans and the literal Nazi's weren't the same. Israel is objectively faaaaaar worse. Here's the full reply if you're interested at all lol
"Do you honestly think that Hamas hasn't committed any genocide themselves by killing women and children in their homes as well? What a joke."
That's...that's not how that works bud
"Sure they're not as capable, but there every bit as barbaric and worse."
No that's just not true. You're comparing a rotten apple to a poison one being force fed to tens of thousands of women and children. They went in on October 7th to get hostages and negotiate an end to the endless apartheid and probably throw a wrench in the normalization efforts of Saudi Arabia and Israel. That was clearly their entire plan as can be seen by the hundreds of hostages they took. Was it wrong and horrible? Yup. But what Israel did, has done and is doing today is objectively far worse.
Let's start off with the first factor, Israel is much, much, muuuuuch worse even to Israeli's who they whole sale slaughtered by enacting their "Hannibal decree" as to make it so Hamas doesn't have anything to negotiate with. They've currently flattened Gaza, where the hostages are being kept, and when the hostages came out with their hands up and speaking in Hebrew holding a white flag, they were promptly shot.
Israel literally fired at hostages and large crowds using Apache helicopters and tank according to first hand witnesses. Hamas has offered multiple cease fire for hostage deals and even agreed to one that the US, Egypt and the UAE backed, only for Israel to refuse and invade/bomb the place where 1.5 million people they're starving have run off too despite them having nowhere else left to go.
They have killed, at minimum, 35k innocent people of which 25k were women and children. They have starved the rest of the population for 6 months now and they've done this all while gleefully celebrating their warcrimes by their soldiers literally posting them on social media.
You cannot compare the Nazi's to the Soviet partisans because although both are bad, one is a fascist apartheid state committing genocide and killing everyone and everything they can well the other is a literal partisan group formed after they've been kept in a state of constant apartheid for decades. You cannot both sides genocide.
"No terrorism is allowed, no murder on either side. Put them all in jail."
Funny thing is, Gaza is already the worlds largest open air prison that Israel routinely goes into to "mow the lawn" as they commit endless war crimes and atrocities against the Palestinians there which has culminated in them openly committing genocide. Israel on the other hand? Well they just got 35 billion dollars of tax payer money to continue their genocide and have the full and complete backing of the US political system which has literally veto-ed multiple UN calls for a ceasefire and whose congress members have threatened to invade the Hague if Israel get's charged for war crimes.
Do you honestly think that Hamas hasn't committed any genocide themselves by killing women and children in their homes as well? What a joke. Sure they're not as capable, but there every bit as barbaric and worse.
No terrorism is allowed, no murder on either side. Put them all in jail.
how is he an hamas apologist?
Anytime Hamas commits an offensive targeting non-combatants he avoid the topic entirely and will keep the conversation solely on Israel. He makes no attempt to hide that he's biased mind you, but to say that he's giving them fair attention on each side would be laughable claim.
I get it, he focuses on the "bigger evil" here, but sometimes I doubt his position would change if the tables were turned.
Hasan has lost the plot sadly. I used to watch him all the time too. The way he treated ethan during the debate left a terrible taste in my mouth.
Hasan was too nice to Ethan during their debate. Ethan literally refused to even listen to hasan lol it was painful to watch. I love Ethan but damn
Try and set your opinions aside, rewatch the episode and consider the shit Ethan was dealing with prior and tell me you have the same opinion.
I’ve watched the episode before. I remember how immature Ethan acted. Remember when he literally covered his ears with his hands and refused to listen? His argument for from the river to the sea slogan was shit too. I remember being surprised because I thought Ethan was a relatively smart guy. I still think he is, but he’s very ignorant and has some shit to unlearn about Israel.
It’s clear he’s unable to have a mature conversation about it. He hasn’t carried himself well in several conversations. I’m a fan and I watch every show, but I have to be honest 🫶🏻
That’s okay you can be honest. To be honest with you I don’t remember him covering his ears. I think that you can make the criticism he doesn’t always approach the topic ‘maturely’ but try to exercise empathy and consider his upbringing and the shit he had to deal with during that time. That’s what made me feel quite uncomfortable about the episode.
Is that Ethan is a jew who lived in Israel who has been sent crazy fucked up shit for what he has said about the conflict. But he’s consistently denounced Israel and said he supports Palestine. That’s a fucking huge thing for someone like himself to do. The majority of American Jews support Israel in the conflict, for him to state that he doesn’t publicly and still get death threats and videos made about his wife is fucked. The entire time Ethan is searching for a shred of empathy from Hasan and he doesn’t give it to him. It’s actually fucking brutal to me. I have become quite disillusioned with Hasan since leftovers ended. But hey, that’s just my opinion with peace and love. It seems like this post is actually promoting this sub to become a lot less of an echo chamber, and hopefully have discussions with people we disagree with in more sensible ways.
I think it was a really hard conversation for both of them to have. I remember both of them were crying for different reasons. I honestly don’t remember hasan not exercising any empathy towards Ethan at all. And since this debate, hasan has only been kind when talking about Ethan.
With peace and love I think Ethan is a really hard person to debate with about Israel. He’s come a long way and I commend him for that, but Ethan said himself he didn’t have enough empathy for Palestinian people and he hit the nail on the head there.
I had to take a break from the show after Ethan made fun of Aaron Bushnell. He’s also said that Zionist is just a slur for Jewish people.. which is not true at all. He’s come a long way but still has a lot to learn. It was clear to me hasan was a lot more educated than Ethan was and it’s hard to have a calm, mature debate with someone who is both ignorant and passionate. I think both of them had poor moments but I don’t think either are bad guys or anything. Their hearts are in the right place
Hasans chat was ruthless and ethan told hasan to control them but hasan said "I can't control them" ignoring the fact that hasan begged xqc to control his chat when he was underfire. That left a bad taste in my mouth and all the other stuff he's doing made me realize he lost the message
Hasan's fans are too pro Hamas and it will end up boiling over again.
Dude you are insane, esp with that handle wtf is that
Ethan basically said this when they stopped the show. One of the mods specifically. It isn't a hot take. Hasan's fans were terrible to Ethan
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I noped out the moment he started talking about re-education camps and was serious about them being implemented. Have the gulags in the USSR and Maoist struggle sessions become ancient history to these chucklefucks?
Edit: Why the downvotes? Actually engage if you disagree and let me know where I'm wrong!
Any light criticism of Hasan is automatically downvoted but there’s replies on this very post saying how Ethan doesn’t have a valuable perspective to bring to the I/P topic bc he also talks about antisemitism and doesn’t want to kill all Israelis so his opinion is useless… lmao
It’s all so painfully incoherent! Make it make sense! Lol
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Go ahead and show me where he said that the blood of land lords should flow the streets and where he's hyping up the CCPs authoritarianism?
Also, how is the Chinese near bloodless reconquest of Tibet (a break away theocratic slave state at the time) where they literally freed like 95% of the population who were being kept as surfs a bad thing? Was the America reconqest of the South a bad thing?
He's also not hyping up a potential invasion of Taiwan which no, will not happen because China has literally not had a major military mission in half a century.
Also, please show me where he's said he wants Russia to roll over Ukraine, would love to see that too lol
Yeah, he's an israel apologist too and thinks he pays too much taxes, fuck him
He has literally said he wants to be taxed more lol
I was just making shit up just like the comment I responded was, my bad :P
Lol sorry, Hasan haters are so unhinged that its hard to tell parady from reality sometimes lmao
I noped the fuck out when he was talking about Israel being an apartheid state and opressing palestinians and that being the reason why paletinians choose violence in a response to the violence Israel does to them, so dumb
omg you just summed up my thoughts about him perfectly
For sure dude, the guy who is the largest independent donor to the Amazon union, has raised millions of dollars for charity, runs a co-op podcast, uses American unionized labor for his merch and doesn't even invest in the stock market outside of 401k is the grifter whose selling Americans their own demise. You're 100% right lol.
And the Western system is bad and should be fixed, him taking part in it well criticizing it is perfectly valid and is his right as an American citizen lol
Me too bud, me too.
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I don’t. He used to be okay. But after seeing how inept his tv rager was. Plus how he interrupted and pulled just about every logical fallacy on that willy mac guy. Plus that ridiculous t-shirt “make the rich pay”… plus his recent stunt that feels like the Rock and Oprah asking people to donate to that (although a worthy cause) creator fund… he’s just… he makes my head want to turtle into my shoulders with cringe. The guy simply cannot take any criticism and despite being proven factually wrong, morally iffy, and tone deaf on multiple occasions, he just still lords it about like he’s never stepped a foot wrong. It’s uncomfortable.
I loved leftovers but now he feels more like a painful walking paradox and I personally feel, he’s hypocritical in many ways. He stood for something once. But now? Idk. He’s lost in the sauce.
Bro there is no way you think Willy "interrupt interrupt interrupt" Mac using out of context clips from twitter and Hasan trying to explain to him calmly why they're out of context is him using a "logical fallacy" against dude whose made like 5 videos on him using said out of context clips lol
He also the largest independent donor to the Amazon union, has raised millions of dollars for charity, runs a co-op podcast and uses American unionized labor for his merch. I really don't know how you could say he's not standing up for what he believes in lol
As much as we beg he won't... it's what I want more than any skit
Ethan’s gonna call Hasan Anti-Semitic, and then say that there isn’t a genocide going on in Palestine.
Yeah I don’t think he’d do that now. The reaction post 10/7 was really emotional and I get it, but I feel like Ethan wouldn’t be pro Genocide and has criticized the Israeli government continuously.
It would be great if he talked about what’s going on. But who knows
He stopped talking about it literally due to people saying things similar to what you said in your first comment
Anytime Israel would bomb a hospital or something Ethan would deny and say that Hamas did it. Months later there is footage of Israel killing kids, destroying homes, and hospitals. And Ethan decided not to talk about it cause he knows Israel is committing War Crimes
I think you're either not paying attention, or purposely arguing in bad faith. Either way I don't think your comments are in line with the subreddits community guidelines. Good luck to you!
Mods, can we ban this hateful, lying sycophant?
I mean they aren’t completely wrong
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He’s calling you a sycophant. As in you’re sycophantic to Hasan.
I don’t even watch Hasan. I found out about him through Leftovers. And haven’t watched him since. All I was saying is that almost every creator is talking about Palestine, and since now there is proof of the atrocities Israel is committing, why can’t Ethan acknowledge that.
Right ok but he wasn’t calling you a psychopath. You just didn’t know what a sycophant is.
Yeah, I had never heard of that word before
I literally think I won’t pick this show back up again until then. … and I’m a huge watcher. I’ve watched the show for so long but the way that leftovers ended just didn’t hit right.
I’ve been watching all the episodes for three to four years now but never got into leftovers. Has he ever said free Palestine or something in that sense? This is a genuine question.
Is Ethan a manic depressive like diagnosed cuz man he seems to have HIGH highs and LOW lows
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I honestly think the Israel/Palestine thing is a big reason it won't happen.