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To be fair, the throttle control part was accurate. This is pre engine-management, pre-rev limiter, and they were told to stay under 6200rpm in every gear (IIRC). In top gear you would absolutely have accelerator travel left on the table, or they wouldn't have survived the race.
I don't know a ton about those old cars but it legit seemed to be that going full throttle wasn't a good idea since it would over rev the engine. So on that long ass back straight you would actually need to not have the pedal fully down and pushing it further would be akin to pressing your luck and maybe blowing up the engine. I could be wildly wrong though but maybe this is the only situation where it made sense?
Never read any driver stating that in dry conditions. Not saying it didn't happen but the mechanical sympathy tends to be more short shifting, curbs, the way you brake and downshift, etc. They would use longer top gears if that were the case.
For sure. And it could do well. Not F1 obviously, but Ford vs Ferrari received critical acclaim, was nominated for numerous awards and won a few of them. Either way, I look forward to it. Brad Pitt stars in a few of my favorite movies of all time (Moneyball, Ocean’s 11, Inglorious Basterds to name a few), and I just really like him as an actor in general. I think he’ll do great in the role.
Yeah racing movies are very niche. I say this as an F1 fan for over 15 years. Although the sport has gotten huge in the past 5 years it’s still extremely niche. There’s really only a few stories to tell there and it’s hard to make one driver chasing down another for the win uniquely compelling from the 100 other last acts that have done the same thing.
I think if you're making the movie about one car chasing another car, you're doing racing movies wrong. Racing is the setting, it's not the story.
Ford V Ferrari isn't about Le Mans, it's about Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles fighting against the big corporate machine of the Ford Motor Company.
Days of Thunder isn't about NASCAR, it's about Cole Trickle dealing with what amounts to PTSD and falling in love with his doctor.
The Fast and the Furious isn't about street racing, it's about a cop realizing he has found a family in these criminals on the streets of LA and trying to find his place between those two worlds, eventually choosing family over duty.
The personal stories are what engage people, the cars just get them in the door.
If this movie manages to use the unique and interesting world of Formula One effectively enough, the world will pull people in enough for Brad Pitt to tell a compelling and personal story. If he does, it will be a good movie.
A couple weeks ago, a coworker told us he finally watched it. He said it was funny, but he thought the slingshot was dumb. I told him, "That's actually a very real thing in racing." He didn't believe me for a long time, so I eventually just had to say, "You don't watch racing at all. Look up any video about drafting/passing and you'll see how common it is."
Hard agree. The Apex movie is going to be Top Gun: Maverick on wheels, so it's going to do well. Remember, the Top Gun movies were never war movies, they were always sports movies, and Americans love sports movies.
Exactly, you need a story around it beyond the racing. That’s why I think Rush worked quite well because you have the drama around Laudas accident adding tension beyond just the racing
Maybe this is just embarrassing to me but I’ve never heard of IMSA before this comment so I don’t know how broad it would be for the general public lol
It's worth researching. It was a fantastic era of racing. And little known at the time was that illegal drug smuggling funded some of the top teams. Fast cars, girls, drugs, murder... there's so many compelling plots there it would be difficult to choose just one.
The story isn't imsa. Imsa is America's sports car series, think we but regional to north America. Anyway there were several guys funding their racing through drug running. Randy Lanier was strictly weed, was showing up to the track with wads of cash for whatever he needed including cars, was the indy 500 rookie of the year shortly before he got busted.
The Whittington's and Paul's were also involved but I'm not quote as familiar with their operations. The Whittington's bought road Atlanta and were landing drug running planes on the back straight. The Whittington's also won at le mans in a 935.
The rule of thumb is you double a movies budget to include the costs of marketing. So if you do that you get 194M which makes it marginally profitable. Not that Ford vs Ferrari is looking for a sequel but it wouldn’t be green lit for one with that return.
That doesn’t account t for marketing and other things along those lines. Typically people say you need the box office to make double the budget to be profitable
Likely the case yes. Chances are they've rented gear and studios as well, which even if they can be pushed back will probably cost extra to do so at such short notice.
Yes and doing filming at real tracks, including at a live F1 grand prix where they were allowed to be on the starting grid for some shots with the real f1 grid.
I don't know how they are going to hand out cast credits. Most of the drivers on the grid are technically the cast. They even shot Leclerc in his car for close ups and stuff.
Probably a special mentions sections of the credits. Or a "special thanks to all of Formula 1, drivers, crew, and all who make the wonderful world of motorsports possible"
I remember they were shooting in Hungary in part ferme immediately after the race and had Lewis interact with one of the drivers, who was supposed to have won.
Probably most of the drivers appear, but it will be like F1 games “breakpoint” adventure, where you focus on the team, TP, “rival”, companion and protagonist… and the rest of the grid are nothing more than background. Maybe some TPs do a cameo also like copying Netflix, talking shortly about Brad Pitt team or the drivers.
So maybe some cameos or short lines, but I wouldn’t expect more, especially because we are talking about a high cost production that I expected wants to make a movie with huge box office income and receive nominations to Oscars and so on, and it’s very difficult to do if 3-4 actors that appear are drivers without knowledge of how to act
We only need to remember the horrible acting that some drivers did on ads on the last years. Now imagine being in a movie
I can only imagine this works out if it does numbers like Top Gun Maverick. It might be IF it has as much positive word of mouth due to the racing feeling as thrilling and making you feel like you're there as much as the flight scenes in Top Gun got people recommending it to everyone else.
Without the Boomer nostalgia of the original Top Gun, I just don’t see how this movie would capture a similar audience.. F1 popularity is post peak in the US imo… and honestly I can just watch F1 races if I want to see the drama of F1 races on screen, and can watch DTS if I want the racing and drama together in one package.
Yeah, but Top Gun Maverick also tried to help itself out by talking up how everything in it was "real" and "Those guys are really flying the planes!" They don't explain that the guys are really flying planes that are absolutely NOT the ones you see in the film, and the final product heavily relies on CGI to completely replace the planes, inside and out.
So yeah, sure, guys were flying planes, but they weren't flying any F-14, F/A-18, F-22, whatever. Audiences, though, bought into the idea that they were really flying military aircraft, and that helped push buzz for the film.
So yeah, just say that Pitt is "really" racing a Formula 1 car around a track, and it's all 100% authentic, and that should help boost people talking it up.
So yeah, sure, guys were flying planes, but they weren't flying any F-14, F/A-18, F-22, whatever.
There are plenty of scenes in the movie where the actors absolutely were flying in F-18's, they just were in the back seat and weren't piloting them. The film paid the military $11,000 an hour to rent the use of those jets.
He’s definitely the driver. The story line will probably be something along the line of an ex driver getting called back from retirement to drive for a team. Just a guess lol.
You can't take it too seriously, but it has so many good quotable lines. The number of times I've quoted the scene where Robert Duval is building the new Daytona car while working in my garage. LOL!
"Imma gonna shape you like a bullet. You'll be perfect."
I feel like the trope has become “I’m never coming back” — “you know you can’t let go of [unfinished business, lingering trauma]!” — {cut to the practice field/training ground; grizzled protagonist makes a dramatic entrance}
Yes, but will this movie feature full speed chases through the streets of a regular city with showcars? Or tracks that change from banked to flat depending on the angle of the camera? Or cars that crash in slow motion while the background cars are still at full speed? Or...
Yup. That's probably going to be the biggest obstacle to suspension of disbelief in this whole movie for the F1 fans who will make up the majority of the audience for it. As Pitt mentioned in his interview with Martin Brundle, he said his character would have been racing with Brundle when he was originally in F1. They're probably aiming to make it look like Senna was getting back in the car after if he hadn't passed. It could make the film an unintentional comedy
I guess he will play a driver, seeing as he was on the grid lined up next to all the drivers during opening anthem and such, i believe that was at silverstone
The premise of the movie is the new school kid vs the old school who’s giving his last go. My guess is they’ll butt heads and eventually work together where the old man Pitt sacrifices his chances to let the new kid win the championship and they set off into the sunset
He will. They were handing out Brad Pitt head cutouts to some Japanese fans at Suzuka. I think they are filming at every f1 race with “fans” cheering for him
The movie is essentially Brad Pitt tryna be Alonso, old guy has a comeback etc. etc. Should've just cast Fernando and done it on the 2023 season hehe (with some small adjustments)
In terms of 60 year olds who can realistically play a harsh late 30s looking person, Pit is capable I think. He looks sorta like Kimi did towards the end of his stint.
And at the rate Alonso is going, he could just play an early 40s coming back.
Now that I think of it, maybe production has been paying Alonso behind the scenes alto extend his career even more, thus making pitts character entirely more believable
If Top Gun Maverick can get away with the important plot point of "the G forces of this maneuver are too high, it's impossible to do it without passing out" and the only one who can pull it off is 60 year old Tom Cruise, and no one bats an eye at how ridiculous that is, then I'm sure no one will have a problem with Brad Pitt's age either.
Its one of the only movies I have watched over 20 times in my life. Just watched it the other day. The scene running through the Chicago streets is great.
Just shows how bad of a team principle ron dennis was, he didn’t even consider firing his rookie driver when he was fighting for the championship and lost it in 07
With all the incredible REAL stories in f1 history, and with the success of Rush, i’m still so surprised they went with a fictional story. I hope it’s good, and leads to more racing movies about real events, but it does feel like a wasted opportunity.
How on earth are they going to make money on this film? Ford vs Ferrari had critical acclaim, 2 top actors, seemingly similar in narrative and made just over 200mil at the box office on a 100 mil budget and this is already going to cost at least 3 times the amount? Even if this reviews well that's a massive ask.
F1 has grown A LOT since 2019, and Lewis Hamilton is also in the movie. So I think it'll definitely do better than Ford V Ferrari but still near impossible to break even on a 300m budget
They had their camera car drive around Suzuka a few times to shoot the crowd no idea if they’re gonna use the footage though if so I’ll be featured as a speck at spoon
If they will manage to make me shed a tear just like when i was watching ford vs ferrari, the movie will worth it. When he was driving that ford in the end and singing “I’m so H A P P Y”. Man that moment hit hard, especially that i love racing but have no financial freedom to do it irl…
300 million plus at least 200 million in marketing, this movie will need to make 1.5 billion at the boxoffice to break even using a 2.5x multiplier.
Barbie had a 145 million production budget and spent 175 mil on marketing, made 1.4 billion at the boxoffice and netted around 400 million after expenses
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