Does Elon not know what a jury is?
elon is done. the transformation into maga/qanon is complete.
and insane ppl like that are allowed to do bizz with the state...
It's generally not super enticing to investors that you kick around with convicted felons.
Iâve noticed that since Trumpâs conviction, his supporters have shifted from âheâs innocentâ to âhe broke the law, but this is too farâ.
Now they want to convince you that the system, which unanimously found him guilty on all 34 felony counts, somehow âmade upâ a legal theory just to prevent him from running for office.
His supporters are scrambling online now desperately trying to appeal to independent voters.
Polls are showing the convictions have peeled away moderate republicans. His hardcore deplorables are doubling down, but elections are won and lost in the margins and Trump is bleeding from the margins.
Iâm not quite as worried about November as I was a week ago.
Don't think I can rest until the election is over. I still remember waking up and being shocked Trump won. Nothing is ever a given. And even after this election, you know he won't concede and is already trying to rile up his base.
Hurt as bad as Al Gores loss, if not worse
Worse to me. For all of Bush Jr's faults he at least had some decorum. I actually didn't think we were going to see a worse President in a while, but Trump broke that threshold by a large margin.
Don't let that make you get lazy about voting. He can still win if people just don't show up.
Oh, for sure. Complacency is the enemy.
Sadly you are forgetting to factor in the third party candidate effect on Biden-leaning undecideds. Kennedy can still wreck things.
Kennedy is pulling more support from the right than from the left. And third party candidates tend to poll better than they perform on Election Day. This far out, his support is just a measure of dissatisfaction with the two candidates.
I guess that could change but heâs not a worry at the moment.
And that brain worm stuff didnât help. Heâs basically a meme right now. đ
Nah Kennedy is gonna fuck trump over more than Biden. Trump and the republicans pushed Kennedy thinking because he used to have a d next to his name democrats will vote for him but heâs fucking insane. Also outside of boomers no one gives a fuck about the Kennedys anymore.
Kennedy is drawing support from fellow Q devotees, which is one leg of trumpâs stool. No sane person will consider Kennedy
Women on Abortion. That alone ruined their prospects for a close election. It is why they tried distancing themselves from the Arizona 1864 abortion territorial ban which is to take effect September 26...so close to the election,too. Trump tried to say it is up to the states, when everyone knows better. Everyone knows a national abortion ban is imminent. GOP is hoping people forget but they are royally fudged.
That's got to be hung around their necks like a goddamn millstone for the next decade.Â
"They were serious about this, and this is what happens when they get what they want. Every time."
More likely to spoil for Trump then Biden
Don't relax yet, everyone was feeling good in 2016, too.
They've got to receive a shellacking, ideally across the board, so nobody gets the idea this is a smart playbook to emulate.
Unfortunately that ship sailed after they didn't learn from 2020 and 2022
Read a statement from one of his supporters that stated they knew the decision was rigged because he didnât get to pick the jury đ¤
That's where the cognitive dissonance and suffocating pride sets in. They are too ignorant to know it was a bipartisan choice to create that jury.
With a soupçon of ignorance of how jury selection works.
Wtf are you talking about. The defense had ample opportunity to reject and agree on what jurors participated. Stop pretending you are smarter than you are.
I saw that. Apparently "Jury of your peers" means the jury you buy and pay for. His defense could opt out of a jurist during jury selection. The question, "should I ever be held accountable for anything or everything I may have done?" Wasn't permitted.
But he actually did get as much say in the jury pool selection as the prosecution did.
He did help pick the jury though. That's how it works, that's why they were going over the jury's social media account during the selection process.
I love how that implies that they believe that it would not count as "rigged" if Trump got to pick all of the jurors...
Also Trump and the GOP are basically demanding that all their candidates no matter where get in line with this narrative. So Republican politicians have the choice to play along and alienate moderates, or tell the truth and basically get excommunicated. I'm sure that will do absolutely NOTHING to hurt their chances in battleground states. /s
Also, a lot of people seem to forget this is basically the set of charges John Edwards was hit with back in 2009.
Itâs weird because he can be convicted of 1000s of felonies, be physically incarcerated in a jail cell and still is eligible to run for president so what exactly would they say is preventing him from running?
Prevent him from running off office my ass, people are mad they can't prevent him from running for office ffs.
I do wonder why Trump's top-notch legal team didn't use the "Uh, that's not actually a law" defense (which would, on the face of it, seem fairly conclusive).
They did. The crime of 'falsifying business records' is a misdemeanor, bundled into 34 separate felonies. In furtherance of another crime, and yet you're not allowed to know what the other crime was.
I canât imagine going through life with access to the internet and still being as uninformed as you.
Just because you saw a 30 second video by a balding 30 year old "legal scholar" on tik tok doesn't change what actually happened in the court room.
1) judge was actively a biden donator.
2) Judge's daughter was fundraising for democrats
3) One falsification charge (misdemeanor, past its statute of lim.) was rolled into 34 felonies
4) Trump was disallowed from bringing evidence to the court.
5) main witnesses were: a known perjurer, thief, and fraudster. And a pornstar (who happens also to be a witch) looking for a payout.
This shitlist isn't even complete, there's more that I am forgetting that should raise alarms in your head.
You say "imagine going through life uninformed" but I ask how you could go through life with such callous disregard for justice just because tik tok told you that orange man bad
The best part is? I donât have to play these mental gymnastics to try to explain why 12 people unanimously found Trump guilty on 34 felony counts, but you do :)
You just say "huh huh 12 people" and think you're smarter than a fifth grader. The jury was specifically selected from a pool of people who are not only democrat, but demographically 89% anti-trump. He was disallowed to change venue specifically for the jury pool to have that percentage.
If you're going to gloat, finish your sentence:
"Huh huh 12 people, specifically selected from a population that hates him, and think he's the devil and believe the pee pee tapes, steele dossier, russiagate, very fine people, and smollett hoaxes, found him guilty, see how much that makes sense and isn't totally fucked"
if youâre going to gloat
I am, thank you so much
Well, the fact that you know what you're gloating about makes it just so much worse. I hope you never reap what you are currently sowing.
I hope you cry for the rest of your days.
I'm not too worried, there will be appeals and the sham will get straightened out. You are a nasty, foul, short-sighted, intellectually dishonest liar, and a rotten person.
oh, can we throw out any conviction then? Just say it was bias?
Who isn't allowed to know the crime? All of the info from the case is publicly available. You can know all you want about it if you're actually interested.Â
He grew up with pocket emeralds. Of course he does not understand responsibility.
That âmade upâ law has been the basis of 9800 charges since 2015.
And anyone who runs a business of that size should know itâs illegal to âcook the books.â Itâs not some obscure law. Itâs something that everyone knows is illegal and is so obviously so that there is a well known slag term for it.
It's from Babylon Bee, it's a meme headline
You know that. I know that. Everyone else here knows that. Elon...? Not so much.
Fair đ
ok but is the guy in the back left good?
somebody check up on bro
He's the physical embodiment of how I feel about Trump and all of the nonsense that follows him.
Elon doesnât know much about anything heâs just a stupid piece of shit with a deep voice act he stole from bloodbae
When you spend millions on media to make your public image seem like Tony Stark, but you donât understand how the judicial system, basic laws or voting worksđ
You mean concocting a scheme to pretend to buy peopleâs stories to help them pretend to spread their story , only to find out that youâve been tricked into signing an NDA âŚ. And that your story now is being hidden and tabled ⌠not allowing you to tell your âtruthâ.
Sounds like a convoluted way to manipulate what the rest of the public is allowed to hear and see ..
I think itâs wonderful that orange man is finally being held accountable for his actions âŚ..that is truly making america great again !!
The fascists are coping hard. Itâs antithetical to a strong man cult to see the strong man suffer consequences of any kind.
When has anyone ever accused Elon of knowing anything? He paid smart people to come up with neuralink so maybe one day he won't be a complete fucking idiot
Elon sees Trump's conviction as a signal that it's not a given that billionaires are going to get an automatic pass just because they're billionaires - and that's a threat to his way of life.
It's real simple. Don't do illegal shit with your business and/or election campaign, and you won't have to fear getting on the wrong side of the law.
People used to think he was a genius until he got involved with Twitter
Elon doesn't know what comedy is.
Prosecutors don't make laws. They don't convict either.
He's an idiot.
why do people like this c*nt
Apparently some people don't know what a jury is. I saw a comment online where a person literally said "Trump's trial was so unfair! He was accused of some crimes, and his lawyers tried to explain to the jury that he was innocent. But there was another team of lawyers at that trial explaining to the jurors that Trump was guilty."
my dude, that is not being ignorant or what a jury is, thats being ignorant to how a trial works
So the law trump was convicted on seems to have been passed in 1986, during a new york state legislature that was split between house controlled by Democrats, and senate by republicans. Alvin Bragg, the prosecutor in this photo, was 13 years old. 12 years before he earned his law degree, 17 before he joined the attorney general's office.
If Cohen was convicted and had to serve time for this, I don't know why Trump shouldn't.
Can we change american laws to Vault 11 law? Get Trump elected and then sacrificed!
Prosecutors make up laws. Wow thatâs hilarious.
All laws were made up at some point. Then some of them were made real laws, because that's how the legal system has worked for fucking centuries.
Or that the babylon bee is parody?
Trump is above the law, no regular person would be allowed to found contempt of court 10 times.
Probably he doesn't. He's a wealthy but otherwise ignorant immigrant
It really sounds like Elon is surprised you cant falsify business records. Also sounds like, he may have falsified business records. Maybe all of his companies should be looked at.
"Lock her up!" --Trump and his religious followers in 2016.
"The law should not be followed, its really not very important" --Trump and his religious followers in 2024.
Elon doesnât understands only so much which isnât much.
Why would Empty Husk know what a jury is? The wealthy don't face the same consequences as the rest of us and they pay their lawyers with the government subsidies they collect.
Is he implying that Bragg made a law (not what a DA does) in order to convict Trump?
Hush money payments are not a business expense. I assume this is something he claimed on his taxes so how isnât it tax fraud as well? Serious question, Iâm not an expert.
Elon doesn't know anything. He's an idiot.
Musk once again failing miserably at trolling.
Apartheid-Kid doesn't even know that slavery is not legal anymore.
Does Elon not know what The Babylon Bee is?
Trumps idiot supporters, who have no regard for decency, honesty, or integrity, never once claimed hes innocent, only that he should be able to do whatever he wants, while simultaneously wanting to hold Biden accountable for anything he does that they dont like. cant make this shit up
And two of them are lawyers
No cuz Elon doesn't see anyone as his peers
Would love to know when this law was written to see how "made up" it is.
There is no Hope left for America.
The people are just to far gone to save.
Yes I was born and raised there.
To people like Musk or Trump, "law and order" simply keeping the peasants in line.
So is the line and message now that NY made up these laws recently to entrapped Trump? I mean, seriously, these people are like Israel with their bad excuses.
Fuck no he doesn't he's a trust fund baby
It shows that he's not an American. I'm sure he longs for the good old days in South Africa.
I just think itâs weird that people keep whining about it being politically motivated, when:
1) Why wouldnât that be a relevant motivation? If one group is criminally affecting elections, there is there not good reason to stop it, political or not?
2) As far as I can tell, the laws donât even come into play outside of political scenarios, so the crimes he committed were inherently political in nature
Libs heads explode because Trump still leads Biden in the polls.
Wonder how Stormy likes prison for felony tax evasion. Wonder how much money she owes Trump for NDA violations. Canât wait.
Wonder how Barack likes it when he gets arrested for Accessory to Murder for Fast & Furious. Dems remain clueless about what Trumpâs conviction means.
Bragg is a fat fucking POS lapdog for Biden. What a disgrace.
Whatâs the difference? The jury was made up of 95% Biden voters.
Would Trump have been convicted on all 34 counts by a Florida jury?
Bro Jury member 2 got his news from 2 sources. Truth Social(which was made in service of Trump) and Twitter(which is becoming increasingly right-wing). If your theory is correct, they should've voted "Innocent" no matter what. Yet they still voted "guilty". Your problem is copium.
Wow, deleting your comments to save face? Sounds awfully cowardly of you. Perhaps you should find a better idol if your cope-induced arguments can't help you defend the indefensible. Hopefully at least you learned something about the legal system before you turned tail and fled like the cowards you MAGAts tend to be.
Ok, so thatâs 1 out of 12.
Would you like to put Joe Biden in front of a Florida jury for his various âpay to playâ bribery schemes he concocted with his brother, Hunter, and Tony Bobulinski where 1 of the jurors who gets their news from a liberal source?
Yeah, I didnât think so.
Would you like to put Joe Biden in front of a Florida jury for his various âpay to playâ bribery schemes he concocted with his brother, Hunter, and Tony Bobulinski where 1 of the jurors who gets their news from a liberal source?
First: Sure thing! Just have to wait for him to commit a crime in Florida first.
Second: Hope you brought receipts for his "pay-to-play bribery schemes" and they aren't just figments of your imagination brought out by excess coping.
LOL!
It doesnât matter. The democrats just proved you donât need a crime, just find the right jury and youâll get a conviction.
Itâs called âlawfareâ and it goes both ways now.
The cope is strong in this one.
But I'm curious. Why do you believe that Trump didn't do it, when the 12 jurors, despite risks to their personal safety, believe that he did do it.
What did Trump do? More specifically, what did he do that raised the charges to a felony?
You canât tell me because the prosecution couldnât tell the jury. The judge told the jury they didnât need to identify a specific crime that Trump committed in addition to the falsifying of business records to rule Trump guilty of a felony which goes against New Yorkâs own statute 175.10.
The judge told the jury they didnât need to identify a specific crime that Trump committed in addition to the falsifying of business records to rule Trump guilty of a felony which goes against New Yorkâs own statute 175.10.
The judge told the jury they didn't need to agree on the method Trump used to commit the crime, even if they agree that he committed a crime.
Too lazy to get the receipts
The prosecution never bothered to tell the jury what they thought the other crime Trump committed even was, so how could the jury convict him?
Felony falsification of business records goes hand-in-hand with embezzlement or tax evasion. No one ever gets charged with felony falsification of business records on its own because itâs not a felony at that point.
Plus, the whole case hinged on a criminal, thief, and liar who admitted to having a personal grudge against Trump who couldnât even prove heâd been reimbursed.
Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York. He pleaded not guilty when he was arraigned last year.
Each of the 34 charges against Trump corresponded to a check, invoice and voucher generated to reimburse Cohen.
Let's start with this.
The prosecution never bothered to tell the jury what they thought the other crime Trump committed even was, so how could the jury convict him?
He committed 34 counts of a single crime.
No one ever gets charged with felony falsification of business records on its own because itâs not a felony at that point.
It is in New York.
Plus, the whole case hinged on a criminal, thief, and liar who admitted to having a personal grudge against Trump who couldnât even prove heâd been reimbursed.
"Cohen would be paid in a series of monthly payments of $35,000 over the course of 2017. The first check was for $70,000, covering two months. Cohen sent an invoice to the Trump Organization for each check, portraying the payment as his "retainer." Every time he was paid, a bookkeeper generated a record for the company's files, known as a voucher, with the description "legal expense." The first three payments were made from Trump's trust, while the remaining nine came from his personal account."
Bro they even got where the payments originated from.
Plus, you haven't given me an in-depth answer to why you really believe he didn't do it.
Where are you getting that statistic from? Pew research has the jury candidate pool at 56% Democrat, 26% Republican, and 18% Independent.
If youâre going by election results, itâs important to note that not all registered voters vote in an election, but they are still on the jury candidate list.
Also, Trumpâs lawyer said that Trump himself was very involved with jury selection.
CorrectionâŚManhattan went 14-15% for Trump in 2020.
Still not good odds for a jury.
And still doesnât take into account non-voters who are still in the jury pool.
Just because you voted for Trump in 2020 doesnât mean youâd be willing to be the lone juror not to find him guilty and cause a mistrial.
Youâd surely get doxed by the media and probably have local, state, and federal authorities putting a telescope up your ass for the rest of your life.
How do you know there was only one Trump supporter when statistically the jury should have been comprised of 26% Republicans?
Also, what about the 18% Independents? Where do they fit into your conspiracy laden fantasy?
Fantasy?!? Is Manhattan MAGA-country? Did I miss something?
Iâm going to say there were zero Trump supporters on the jury, given the result.
There could have been a Republican or two but have you ever heard of Never Trumpers? No one besides a hardcore MAGA person wouldâve had the stones to do the right thing and hold out.
Again, where are you getting that there were no MAGAs on the jury? Iâm sure an intellectual such as yourself can support your ideas with evidence. Especially if youâre going to ignore facts and statistics.
So, Democrats, Republicans, and Independents are all always going to convict Trump and only a jury of his most loyal supporters could have given him a fair trial?
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Tell me you can see your own bias?!?
Do you know any of the jurors by name? We know one got their news from Truth SocialâŚbig deal. We donât know for sure how any of their political leanings are. All 12 jurors couldâve been hardcore MAGA for all you or I know.
What I do know is there would be severe consequences for any and all jurors who held up a guilty verdict. You canât possibly disagree with that.
These charges and evidence were complete dog shit. It was a political prosecution. No one not named Donald Trump in 2024 would have been charged or convicted similarly.
No. I donât think there would have been any consent for the jurors no matter which way they ruled. People like Justice and Justice was served.
Actually Michael Cohen was charged for the exact same crime (Falsifying Trumpâs business records to cover the hush money payment) as Trump and he was convicted as well (by Trumpâs own DOJ) as have many others.
Try again or, you know, you could join reality and quit making excuses for the guy found liable for sexual assault, lost his charity because of fraud, canât do business in NY because of more fraud, and is a 34 time convicted felon.
The guy is an obvious criminal and sexual predator. History will not remember you guys well. This is your legacy now.
The jury is irrelevant. The NY law is the problem. It is worded ambiguously and in this particular case, The People of NY actually benefitted from Trumpâs maneuvering rather than were harmed by it. It would be akin to getting a speeding ticket for going under the speed limit.
Actually I think falsifying business records to cover up hush money payments was the problem.
âWorded ambiguouslyâ Iâm pretty sure that Donald Trump knew he was lying when he paid Cohen off with campaign funds instead of his personal finances like he said. Itâs almost like lying about where hundreds of thousands of dollars comes from is a misdemeanor crime. Unfortunately for Trump, campaign finance crimes are felonies which is what this misdemeanor crime was in service of. Therefore, the misdemeanor was upgraded to the same level as felony campaign finance fraud.
i see that you're a lawyer that got your jd from liberty
Did he though?
Often with fraud cases, the intent to defraud can be a harder element to prove over unintended error. Moreover, New York law also provides for an affirmative defense for clerks, bookkeepers or other employees who merely executed the orders of their supervisors without personal benefit to themselves. Intent to defraud in the case of falsifying business records means:Â
Making or causing a false entry in the business records of an enterprise; or
Altering, erasing, obliterating, deleting, removing or destroying a true entry in the business records of an enterprise; or
Preventing the making of a true entry or causing the omission of one in the business records of an enterprise.Â
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges         Â
Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges      Â
Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges
That seems pretty cut and dry. But you're right that not enough rich people are being held accountable for these types of crimes. Usually they have extensive book keeping or other methods to cover their little tax crimes.
Trump sure could learn a lot from other, successful businessmen on how to funnel hush payments properly instead of....34 counts so far.
Alts 4 Trump
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