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I remember watching a tiktok about a woman who was in debt by working as a teacher... Her salary was basically covering her rent and nothing else.
The US is insane. I haven't heard of anyone getting into debt because of working in my slum :(
I'm still perplexed about why the US is considered a first world country when it can't even give trained professionals a decent life.
its not cant its wont, which is worse imo
To be fair, the starting salary for teachers in the UK is currently only slightly higher at £30k (or about $37.5k equivalent). Teachers are underpayed everywhere. It’s one of the reasons that 2/3 people who complete teacher training in the UK leave the profession in their first five years. That said, when I started teaching it was about £22k a year so there has been some decent progress but they need to either fix the workload issue or pay us more.
I'm guessing it costs less to pay more than fix the workload issue. I'm studying to be a nurse and was pretty disappointed when they settled for more money last year when they'd actually been striking for better conditions. I believe that happiness is more important than money, and if the working conditions were improved for teachers and nurses that's going to have a much better knock on effect for society than a few extra pounds in the pocket.
I’m in my mid-30s and I’ve been teaching secondary since 2013. The workload has gotten worse over that time, not better. I don’t know how many more years I have in teaching.
I comes to how the term first world was defined around them originally... otherwise you might have dissenting opinions on how life is in the US
Democracy and inequality: https://theconversation.com/us-is-becoming-a-developing-country-on-global-rankings-that-measure-democracy-inequality-190486
Political climate and quality of the discourse: https://fortune.com/2020/09/30/america-is-a-third-world-country-now/
six example of systemic failures: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/six-ways-america-is-like-a-third-world-country-100466/
We have a really good marketing department.
Teacher pay and benefits vary widely from state to state and even within the state.
I am just a junior engineer and I am aware i can live a better life than my counterparts in the US, even though i make a third of what they do.
I like to call the US a fourth world country :)
Because hundreds of millions of people living in the US are doing just fine.
Because by definition the US is the only first world country.
1st US
2nd Not communist
3rd communist
Its an old hold over from the cold war that in no way uses its original meaning and is super confusing for this reason.
Thats prolly true. I always have a hard time remembering this one.
Reminds me of an anecdote of a woman in the US. She was working part time, and while she technically could go full-time, it would screw her over financially. I think it was because of healthcare reasons.
So yeah, it was literally too expensive to make more money.
They are called benefits cliffs, and vary from state to state and how many children you have (or don’t have).
The general cliffs are associated with losing Medicare (public insurance), SNAP (food assistance), childcare subsidies, and other tax credits that are gate-kept by income
yo that’s crazy it literally happened to me last year. i finally found a full time managing job for almost $19 an hour and 2 months after i was hired my SNAP benefits got cut to basically nothing and with how expensive groceries are i ended up with less money at the end of the month than when i was making $15 an hour with SNAP.
i had to quit the managing job cuz i wasn’t making enough money to survive even tho i basically got a promotion. now i’m just stuck working shit jobs so i can afford groceries lol
Bill Clinton helped make it worse in 1996. My Gran went from getting 200/200 cash and snap to 0/10 as she got a raise in her social security. The raise was something small like 36$ and she lost 390 in benefits.
I can do one better. Several aides and bus drivers I know actually get almost no pay. They are basically working for health insurance. They have coverage for their whole family and that basically eats up almost their entire paycheck.
And yet teachers are expected to pay for supplies out of pocket like they don't know what to do with the mad dough they are making.
Many teachers make less than min wage if they actually factored in the hours they work.
Many also buy their own school supplies and other things for the class room they need because the school won't provide it to them.
A big part of the endgame for the conservative approach to K-12 education in the US is for every K-12 teacher to either be living paycheck to paycheck and thus “not a role model,” or be coming from/married to money so that they can’t criticize the system without looking like a hypocrite.
Sad part is when teachers stopped working, instead of upping the salaries to attract qualified teachers, many places just dropped standards.
You mean like letting unqualified people teach? Florida lets veterans teach without bachelors degree.
I believe it's 15 usd an hour
Also, teachers should just swap to an easier job for slightly less pay. Then when the demand for teachers outweighs supply--assuming capitalism works properly--the wage for teachers will go up.
Republicans have come full circle. They not only hate democracy, they also hate capitalism now, too...
That’s right it makes no sense, time to increase teachers’ wages. They are overworked already. Maybe pay them their fair share.
No no no, lower minimum wage to 3.50 and boom! Teachers will be living it UP with their swanky 33.6k a year!
But what about the poor multi-billion dollar corporations? They’ll either have to give their people raises to keep up or raise prices for their products to keep themselves unreasonably wealthy! Why can’t we just stay with crippling wealth inequality?! /s
Corporations are the ones that get me by people who have become brainwashed. They cry about the cost of gas and will blame democrats and Biden, yet the gas companies make billions in profit. They will blame Biden and dems for the cost of groceries meanwhile they make billions in profit. I don't get it. We are being price fucked for billions in profit. I am barely surviving, my constant thought is will I have enough money next week to cover a bill.
In Canada chicken can be more expensive than pork and beef because of "gas shortages", "supply chain issues", and "grain shortages", so the grocery store chains charge more. Surprising nobody with a brain they're seeing significantly increased profits. Somehow grain products haven't increased nearly as much as chicken which is probably up 33-50% what it was a year and a half ago.
I live in the south and the average here is 52k for a teacher, which is still not a lot but it's definitely not 32k. Jesus, that sucks
The 32k is starting pay, so if 52k is your average, then your starting pay probably isn't a whole lot better.
Just checked. Yeah it looks like 44k starting out
And if Biden or some democrat was to suggest something like price caps or taxation on surplus earnings, it would immediately be demonized as communism.
I've got an old friend that moved to Texas this year as a teacher with already 10+ years of experience. She got to her classroom and there were no supplies. She had to buy everything with her own money: pencils, student workbooks, even that alphabet shit you put on the wall. It's absolutely disgraceful. She had to ask friends on Facebook for donations because surprise surprise she's broke. How does our country let these critical (and selfless!) members of our society live like this?
I assume you meant "there were no supplies"
Corporations? Hey, leave some for the tax cuts for individual multi-millionaires and billionaires suffering under high taxes! /s
We have around 3.5-4$ min wage in Hungary and teachers indeed are earning about that much too.
Nice country 😩
And prices are approaching west europe levels for everyday goods, cost of living is super high compared to the avg. national income
That's the point.
Run your country into the ground with bad economic policies.
Blame it on some outside group.
Demand to be kept in power because we can't just stop killing that outside group right now, ok.
??????
Oligarchs profit.
There’s a reason MAGA loves Hungary
Orban and his cronies really fucked Hungary raw
Conservative government basically means your economy will go to the shitter for anyone not already rich.
Hungary won't recover until they get rid of the people oppressing them in their own country.
"Hungary won't recover until they get rid of the people oppressing them in their own country."
- same goes for the US?
Yes?
It's almost as if there's a trend of this happening everywhere there's olegarchs capitalists running the country. More capitalism must be the answer!
Is that really surprising? Your government is conservative. Conservatives are pretty much bad for an economy and the general citizens. It is definitely is good for a handful of elites though. The plague that is conservativism pretty much has the same result regardless of the country that buys into it.
And Republicans see Hungary as a conservative wet dream. Huh.
Gonna party like it's 1989/90 boys!
This is something that blows me away between Canada and the US. In Ontario, a kindergarten teacher right out of college starts at 50k and after 10 years is making 79k, high-school teachers with specialized teachable subjects start at 61k and after 10 years makes 101k. So many similarities between our counties that I often don't try to tell us apart, but this has always stood out for me.
Well, you see, we have a long and storied tradition of not valuing education for people destined to be the disenfranchised underclass. So long as they are kept hungry and desperate they can’t fight back very effectively. Sure, it means that a lot of them wind up in the expensive prison system, but felons don’t get to vote so that just reinforces the political status quo.
It always makes me sad to type it out like that.
You forgot to mention how important private prisons are to the American Economy and how they benefit from an exemption to the no more slavery bit of the American constitution.
Or how the U.S. has more prisoners, total number, than China, an allegedly terrible system that has a billion citizens...
Now I'm not defending private prisons or the US prison system in general because it's inhumane and an embarrassment to our country, but private prisons do not make up a large percentage of the penal system. The total number of inmates incarcerated in private prisons is around 8% right now. Usage of private prisons in this country is currently on the decline.
I still think private prisons should be abolished and our entire criminal "justice" system should be overhauled, but stating that private prisons are "important" to the US economy is inaccurate.
Even publicly run prisons make a lot of money for companies that provide food, comesarry services, phone/video calls, laundry and linens, security, and I'm sure many others I'm missing.
Super fair, but private prisons often have an even more perverse relation with those subcontractors. Profit motives doesn't care much for the quality of the slop given to people under your care... if the worst happened and they died? You'd get an empty bed and fine the government for the empty bed you now have.
They're finally passing some laws to begin to address the phone/video calls issue.
Took them long enough.
If we're talking about for profit prisons, we might as well throw in the war on drugs too.
Since there are minimum occupancy rates for these private prisons, you have to find a way to keep them full.
I’m not defending the US…but China also reported zero COVID deaths for like over a year during peak pandemic. So…maybe their numbers aren’t reliable.
Is that in USD? If it's in CAD, that isn't much more and is still really bad, TBH. $50k CAD is only $37.4k USD.
The secret ingredient is strong unions
People bitch and moan (or at least, SOME people do) about the Ontario teacher's union, but that's the reason those teachers are treated as well as they are.
If you tried having teacher's strike as regularly and fight as hard as the Ontario Teacher's Union does in the US, the governor would probably call the national guard lol
Education funding here is absurd.
Where I live (Ohio) our primary funding for schools is based on property taxes, so we have districts with all the modern bells and whistles, multiple iPads per classroom, digital whiteboards, etc right next to districts where kids have to share 30 year old textbooks because there isn't enough to go around and they can't afford new ones.
Which is an illegal way to fund schools and has been challenged in court, but the Republican majority state govt refuses to change how they do it.
The numbers posted for the US are fairly out of date. https://www.nea.org/resource-library/educator-pay-and-student-spending-how-does-your-state-rank/starting-teacher is useful for a more current view. Additional benefit is you can compare starting salaries for say New York State to Ontario.
Or maybe we should realize we've taken too much advantage of teachers, and stop using them for those things? If you keep offloading parental duties on teachers, eventually the system is just going to collapse under its own weight, no matter how much you pay them.
They also buy so many of their own supplies. Most schools only provide teachers with the absolute essentials ("here's a room, some desks, and the required text books... good luck!"), so any fun games, more interactive learning materials, and "extra supplies" for kids who forget / don't have their own... all come out of the teachers pockets.
So not only do they get paid poorly, and have to fill more roles than they should be required to do, but they also have to pay for materials to better help them do their job(s). Such a broken system.
It still absolutely blows my mind that so soon after "school have to be open because society literally doesn't work without them" they are delighted to screw them over not just financially but accusing them of grooming and everything.
Two years ago, teachers have to go to work to save my existence. Now, why do teachers need more than minimum wage and if they do, the solution is to lower minimum wage.
It annoyed me so much at the time, cheering and banging pots for nurses and teachers, corporate commercials praising them. Not a cent to actually help them.
"school have to be open because society literally doesn't work without them
they didn't care about "school", all they cared about is the free babysitting.
Even doubling the teacher’s salary wouldn’t be enough for the job.
I wouldn’t public highschool for less than 100k. Even then I’m not sure. Just seems so dangerous.
Seriously... I saw a post on here yesterday about a guy who was shocked when they ordered pizza for dinner and it was delivered by his son's masters-degree-holding math teacher who was moonlighting as a delivery driver because her salary couldn't pay the bills.
Don't forget most of the people with this mindset are in red states where they consider evolution as false because it contradicts the Bible.
I can understand those folks feeling like they were short changed on their education...
I used to want to be a high school biology teacher and considered going back to school to do it, after regretting this tech career, but seeing the posts on r/teachers has made me reconsider.
The Texas legislature specifically omitted teacher raises this year regardless of the COL and inflation. They do this in order for public education to fail, driving the public opinion towards school vouchers, under the pretense of “education freedom” 🙄
Gov. Abbott has called multiple legislative Special Sessions , requiring a vote for his voucher program in exchange for teacher raises. So far they have all failed due to rural Republicans voting with Democrats to kill these bills.
Also gives teachers leverage to get paid more. “Why should I put up with this bullshit if I can just get a job at Starbucks?”
Just as a note:
$15 in 2015 would be $20 today. We've been talking about a $15 minimum wage for so long that it is in no way enough anymore.
Glad someone finally caught that. Been saying that forever. Even when they started arguing for a higher minimum wage even that didn’t go up to beat inflation. So of course now it’s ok to bump it up.
I make 15 an hour working 46 hours a week in Mississippi, which is a low cost of living state for a myriad of well-established reasons. And I will have you know that you are completely correct
Yep, I’m at $15/hr next door in Louisiana, and while I do make enough to get by, I have very little left after bills are paid. Around 65-70% of my paycheck is just paying rent.
$15 in florida. I have like $50 left at the end of the month lmao
$15 in 2015 would be $20 today
and still $10 too low
That actually does blow my mind. As an older Millennial, I remember when 15 was like the new trailblazing figure to fight for. It's been stymied so long It's now outdated and some states still have $7 as the minimum wage.......what a joke
To be fair, it went up to 20 because of the higher than normal inflation that we've had post-covid. If we had normal inflation during that time, then it would be more like $17 dollars instead of $20. So it's less about the amount of time that's passed, and more about the crazy inflation we had.
Source: I used this inflation calculator https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ so hopefully it's using correct data
Shoot, the Fight For $15 movement started in 2012.
Though to be fair, the bulk of inflation was due to Covid, so starting in 2012 vs 2015 is only about 60 cents and hour of difference, or about $1,150 a year.
If any countries wages really kept up with inflation then minimum wage should br around $40-50 an hour. Lmao.
for real, 20 an hour at full time hours is 41k a year, and that really doesn't get you far today.
Should have been like $25 - it should be around $30 now, if you want something similar to what Boomers made.
it's incredibly depressing how the minimum wage should be closer to $25 but instead it's stuck at $7.50 in most states, $15 in others. how are people letting these corporations pay people a third of what they need?
Minimum wage increase to $20 in 2033, bookmark it!
That was on purpose.
In Canada (some provinces) our minimum wage is 15 something, and our dollar is worth less then 70% of the American dollar
Bernie should have run on "20 for 20." It writes itself.
This tweet is written weird - I looked this guy up, he appears to be a teacher. Pretty sure he IS complaining about teachers making too little but just phrased it in a weird way
That was my take as well. He just says “it doesn’t make sense”. I agree it doesn’t make sense. We all do. The responder made an assumption as to what he was implying.
That correct. Mostly because everyone always seems to want to read everything in a way that they can argue with or find fault.
Reddit is reacting to the reaction. A huge portion of screenshots of tweets that we get outraged over are not really asserting any opinion at all.
If you are a teacher, you should be able to phrase it exactly how you mean it. It was also a written statement where you can take your time and think.
Yeah but they are also not even insinuating really anything besides that they are the same. Not sure why everyone is jumping to conclusions here
And he is lying. Teachers in many school districts in Texas start over $60K. ($62K in my district)
Teacher income should start no less than 50k
That's still low
In Canada you start around 60k and after 10 years make over 100k
Is this in CAD because that would be closer to 45k usd
60K CAD Or 60K when converted to USD? Because 60K CAD is 45K USD. You's have to make 80K Canadian to make the equivalent of 60K US.
Arkansas raised wages for 1st year public school teachers to $50k. Did the legislature give the schools any more money to pay for the raises? No. Do private schools have to pay their teachers the same amount? No. Are the private and religious schools now receiving public funds? Yes.
The truth is they don't really want to educate those who can't afford it too much, because then they'd be too hard to control. So they do whatever they can to sabotage public schools.
That’s the part that gets hard to work out most of the time. People agree that teachers should get paid more but funding for public schools are tied to property taxes. That’s why rich neighborhoods have good school and increases in funding are usually not permanent and come with stipulations ensuring it can’t be permanent.
It always comes down to if people are okay with an increase in the taxes that fund schools or people higher up the ladder begging someone else higher up the ladder for money and then trying to make it last. Cause teachers should get paid more while simultaneously not having overfilled classrooms as they hire less teachers.
There’s also the obvious issues that you already mentioned that counties have been trying to offset the costs with charter schools that fail and also still need district funding to operate and at a worse rate.
I say 100k. Education is too important to society.
Imagine how much it would help with quality of education if school teachers got paid right, it would be amazing the boost of teacher morale
If teachers were paid properly there would be a much larger supply of those wanting to be in the profession leading to far more competition and hopefully much better standard compared to many places "GED? Good enough you're hired!".
This is somehow not common sense to too many people.
Although I could see it attracting some people who probably shouldn’t be teachers
Yeah, but if you have enough high quality educators then schools wouldn't have to settle for those who shouldn't be teachers.
I'd even argue that education is, without exaggeration, the single most important profession in society
Edit: besides farming, I suppose. Can't teach if you can't eat
I'm in a rural city (<300k population for the entire county actually) and $50k/year isn't liveable here. Shit is that crazy right now.
His problem is that some people are making too much? It's suddenly a huge problem when the little guys are making "too much money" ($30,000), but not when Bezos is raking in a million dollars a second
It blows me away how many people subscribe to this line of thinking. You hear it when the topic of unions comes up, too. They complain that union workers are overpaid because those workers have quality health coverage and X amount of paid time off, while they don't. I've never understood why the takeaway from that is "Unions bad" and not "Hey, maybe I'm getting shafted. Maybe all workers deserve that stuff!"
I do not believe it is a coincidence the same people think if they get a raise they'll make less money from being in a higher tax bracket. They tend to also get mad when them being wrong is pointed out.
Everytime my Dad brings this up I need to remind him that I tutored my Sister in math because my dad couldn't figure it out after 5th grade.
It almost like these people like being being worked. They are proud of how they slave away for a boss. So when they see union people doing less work than they are, they only see them as lazy.
It's more people are making too much doing unskilled labor. According to them burger flippers and shelf stockers should be poor because then that motivates them to improve themselves and get better paying jobs.
But if they improve themselves then who will stock the shelves?
Exactly. No such thing as unskilled labor.
what false consciousness does to a mfer
they've got workers fooled into thinking it's their fault for being poor and the ultra wealthy worked hard and deserved their money.
I know your comment was hyperbole and you don't actually think he makes a million a second. I just want to point out that even the amount he actually makes, ~$2,500 per second, is ridiculous.
$20/hr * 40 hrs is about $800 a week. Jeffy boy makes 4x that each second. Like, since I started typing this comment, he's earned more than every employee in a MacDonald's will earn in a month combined.
Teachers who:
- Watch 35 brats by themself because their school cant pay an aid.
- Have no support from their staff because principals are soft.
- Deal with parents that think their kids are special snowflakes so they get away with everything.
- Get paid jack shit.
- Constantly get asked to work unpaid past their contract hours.
- Have to do more training than virtually any other industry.
- Work for "kindness of their heart" dollars.
Teachers desperately need to be paid more, fuck this countries treatment of teachers.
You’re not wrong, but just for the sake of clarity, I’m a teacher in Texas and I get about 63k a year. I work in a district that pays more, but most districts around me pay about 55k-58k.
I would LOVE to be paid more. But it’s not barely more that $15 an hour lol.
I still don't think it's fair that the people who are responsible for our next generation should be paid a wage so low, they have to be a spouse to survive. The average American needs about 70k to properly survive right now. Even then, it's basackwards to only survive in the greatest country on earth.
Don't teachers have unions? If they were so desperately underpaid and overworked for the work they do, wouldn't that be gripe they had with their unions taking dues and not getting them what they need? You never hear gripes about the unions, though. Strange. Also, if you go down the list, in each and every state, the average teacher salary is higher than the state's median wage for people who work more than just 9 months a year. And the performance? Since the pandemic, when teachers took their ball and went home test scores are declining across the board while minimum wage workers were still put at risk selling Slurpees, which was deemed somehow more essential than education.
- Most teachers do not have USEFUL unions that can do collective bargaining or affect any legislation of any kind.
- A lot of teachers easily work 50-60 hour work weeks. And every hour over ~40 hours is completely unpaid unless they have a good union (only in maybe 6-7 states).
- Teachers had no say about how the pandemic went. You ditz.
- The decline of test scores is more likely connected to overall incline in economic hardship. Also, just like #3 above: teachers have little to no say how things run in a district. So many teachers have been saying for so long that we need to work on increasing literacy, etc. (12th graders that have the reading level of a 5th grader are extremely common).
why did Mike put it in quotes?
its mikes first day on the internet
Of course he is wearing a bow tie.
Damn you! Now I have to watch that Jon Stewart thing again.
The bow tie is now dress code for those who find more joy in classism than human touch.
Especially when teachers have to buy their own kevlar...🙊
It is logical, for these people it’s very important for them to have someone to feel superior to. As long as fast food workers make shit wages they can feel like they are better than them.
They don’t actually care about teacher wages, they want those super low too.
Part of the secret of minimum wage increases is that all the other jobs end up having to increase wages too. Generally by roughly the same percentage.
The people against the increases know this and don't want to pay their employees more...
Also we should not compare hourly to salary, a salary is generally better. Hourly employees are not guaranteed 40/hr work weeks to make that yearly amount.
Hourly employees are often guaranteed <20hrs/wk so they don't qualify as full-time. They can just go ahead and work three jobs and be "part time" all the time.
So buddy is upset min wage workers still can’t afford to live but says fuck all against the uber rich? Yeah ok.
These people want to write "I don't make that much money, so people who are beneath me should be the slave class." but are too afraid to say how they truly feel.
Which is actually good that even though Twitter is shit and people are getting too relaxed saying crazy shit, they are still too afraid to say they are in favor of slavery. Once crazy people hear someone publicly say something terrible that they also think then their feel validated. We need to quanch these terrible thoughts from spreading and feeling safe.
Lmao. That McDonald’s worker is making more than a teacher 😱😱😱😱. Republicans answer, “ see that’s why we have to keep the minimum wage down right there”. Me 🤔🤔🤔 how bout NO!!
It’s what they crave, a war amongst the “poor,” it’s pisses them off not to get it!
Yuuup! I learned that a long time ago. All this “othering” of people is meant to keep everyone watching each other and hating what they don’t have. All the while those with all the means are out there pointing fingers and saying “look at them, they took it they took it” while feasting on banquets to celebrate their most react bowel movements and the shit they can’t get enough of. Themselves.
Ironically, I already make $16.50/hr working at a McDonalds (when the state min wage is $7.25) which is more than the pre-school teachers I know. Elementary and Highschool teachers around here make more than the OP stated but not by much.
I was recently told "if you increase people's pay then prices will go up" and they quoted some article from CA raising it to $20/hr for delivery drivers and a pizza hut firing theirs.
pretty sure prices go up even when wages don't, so it's a bs argument
Someone also recently pointed out that a taco bell burrito is STILL cheap, even in CA where the minimum wage went to 20.
Exactly. Prices go up regardless of wage increases anyway. At least this way the increased costs are actually going to working people and not simply increased bonuses and dividend payouts for shareholders.
Pulling the ladder up is one of the most commonly used tools in the Republican playbook.
We ask so much from our teachers and offer them pennies in return. It has always disgusted me.
I’m always baffled at how people don’t realise that if you pay people more money they spend more money. If I were to have £50 a month to spend after I paid my bills, I’m not going to be putting ANY money into the local economy. If I have £1000 after bills, I’m going to be spending money in local shops and restaurants.
How does anyone think 30k a year in livable period. Prior to 2010 MAYBE. 60-80k is the new 30k.
I paid $600,000 for a one-bedroom box in the city that can scarcely house a stove next to a bed, yet the homeless guy outside sleeps in the same sized carboard box for free! It's so unjust!!!
Teacher here. As others have said, the question should be "Why are we paying our teachers barely above minimum wage to raise our nation's children?"
Average starting salary in Texas for teachers is $45k. I know it is much higher than that in some school districts.
So about $21 per hour. In-n-out starts at $20. I’d take smelling like burgers and fries over dealing with kids and their parents any day!
That's the big problem; many teachers are doing it out of passion, so they can be exploited.
Try getting your manager to give you a consistent 40 hours tho...they are always hiring people and people quiting in those places and your schedule changes constantly, you have to work weekends and if someone doesn't show up your, at least, expected to stay..if you don't your manager may give your hours away
But the big caveat is the 40 hours...your not gunna get solid full time unless your at least a supervisor
More proof conservatism exists to protect privilege. In this case it's the privilege to educate their children and only their children.
They always get SO CLOSE. Then they miss it and comically tumble like a looney tunes character.
So close... They could have even just looked at that starting teacher salary and seen the problem... So close.
I'm pretty sure you're the one missing the point here. This person is very obviously complaining about low teacher salaries.
They got us fighting a culture war when we should be fighting a class war.
I love how people argue what the next person is earning, instead of arguing what it costs to fucking survive in today's economy. Not the stocks and the shareholder shit, I'm talking the cost of food, water, shelter.
Also 30 grand isn't what it used to be. Doesn't buy shit these days
Raise teachers wages?
Just pay everyone more (except for senior corpo managers and politicians).
Wait teachers in Texas make 33k a year what the actual fuck America.
It would make perfect sense FOR TEXAS TO PAY TEACHERS MORE, not everyone else make $7 so that a teacher's salary "looks" bigger.
They should spend less on football fields in Texas and more on teachers
Teachers are overworked to an extreme. Its not just one type of stress either like most jobs, it's the paperwork stress from grading and making exams and all that combined with mental stress from having to deal with idiotic kids who don't know any better. Teachers deserve 100k a year instead of the joke of a salady they get paid
I work as a teacher but not in the us, and to be honest I would never fucking never work as a teacher in the us. Like fuck you, you expect me to teach and educate kids, pay stuff like pencils and so from my own pocket and so on and are ungrateful, not in 10000 years. I would even prefer working in macdonalds and so on👍
They took advantage of people’s passion and kept lowering it to see who breaks first.
Teachers have off a few weeks winter break, a week spring break, every holiday and roughly two months in the summer, so on an hourly or daily basis that salary (not to mention the benefits) is much better than some some schmuck working at dollar general.
If you don't like the teachers salary don't be a teacher, it doesn't seem that difficult to me.
I'm sick of teachers complaining like they are some kind of underpriviledged class. What other profession affords so much built in paid time off and top class benefits with a pension?
Problem is the government is only focused on raising the minimum wage, not all wages, or wages for certain professions
Tax the rich to get money to eradicate poverty and make everyone live a better life via higer wages and keeping inflation under control by law. It's not really that hard.
Teachers making 33k is fucking criminal for such a vital role.
Stop voting for Republicans.
Just another form of MAGA brain gymnastics.
Everyone should be respected and paid a good wage.
Everyone is on the same sinking ship
And of course, knowing how teachers struggle, its still not a living wage.
I am always curious on this one. Does the minimum wage employee get that salary while only working 9 months, health insurance, pension and (in some cases) tenure?
Maybe the teachers should set up some sort of Union.
Maybe they'd understand how silly that is if they had better teachers
It's also the shit hole of Texas. My wife makes more than double that as an educator. It's regionally dependent
You ever wonder if it's intentional? Like they intentionally neglect it in order to make people more stupid? Would explain a lot.
It should be illegal to promote bad faith propaganda.
After raising minimum wage they should raise wages for the other positions, so people can actually afford to live in this capitalist hell scape.
If a $15 minimum wage is the same as what you're making, quit your job and go work that "easier" minimum wage one.
Pay the teachers more. What a dumbfuck. So many dumbfucks.
It’s funny to me that people will bitch and moan that raising minimum wage will make everything more expensive. Have they not looked around currently. Everything is still getting more expensive because of corporate greed. People might as well be making a decent living too
Teachers are actually WAY less when you account for all the extra after-hours work and consistent education upkeep.
It's an absolute joke.
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People thinking that being educated means you should somehow be entitled to better wages always make me laugh. Being uneducated doesn’t mean you don’t work hard, and wages should reward hard work, no matter the education level.
The punchline isn't that your average worker will be gaining almost the same as someone with a title, but that those people with titles are also being underpaid and they should ask for a wage much better than just 15 dollars per hour.