I got declared on by the Ottomans: How on earth did they think they could win?!
AI Did Something"Advanced military tech"
"Theodosian walls"
"Numerical superiority"
"Dismantle Ottoman empire!"
R5: I got decleared on by the Ottomans. How on earth did they think they could win?! See picture. The Ottomans are just in 1 single war. Ottomans have 30k troops, the enemy alliance has almost 300k...
This is just straight up suicide by the AI.
Edit: To clarify what happens: Ottomans declare on Moldavia, which is a subject of Hungary and Hungary is my junior partner. So it is the classic subject of a subject declaration in which the AI fails to identify the strength of the allience. Added to that: Mamluks enforced peace. I have never had a AI nation joining my war on my side using enforced peace. That is something new to me.
Did they declare on a subject of one of your subjects? That's the usual "classic" and can lead to blunders like this, the AI apparently does not take into account that such a war would not just pull in the player, but also all their allies + PUs + subjects. I think they "see" the subject of the subject + their overlord (your subject), and since your subject won't have any allies they appear weak to the AI.
This is partially what happens. Because of the estate diet i improved relations of The Mamluks to above 100. As result Mamluks enforced peace on the Ottomans. That got rejected, so The Mamluks join the war on our side as well.
This is because its a bug and the AI doesn't appreciate that declaring on the vassal of a PU will call in the overlord of the overlord's allies.
Basically the only real concrete advantage you have against the AI still on VH. I had the exact same thing happen for me. Ottoman declares on Moldavia, who is a vassal of hungary or poland, who is in a PU.
there is an event about Moldavia, it happen also to me, I think it has to do with the Dracula or his father
Happened in my current Austria game. Hungary has moldavia as a march and then Ottos deccd on them which let me call in both Iberians and all the electors, funny enough Venice sniped Constantinople so they only had like 27 troops with like 3k manpower.
Literally the equivalent of throwing all your board game pieces at a wall and saying you don't want to play anymore
Edit: clarified who war deccd me
This is partially what happens. I am playing as Austria and the indeed declared for Moldavia.
Because of the estate diet i improved relations of The Mamluks to above 100. As result Mamluks enforced peace on the Ottomans. That got rejected, so The Mamluks join the war on our side as well. I have never seen an AI nation joining my war on my side by enforcing peace.
Yea I just hit 4k hours not long ago and have never had that happen to me before
The AI does not understand subject of subject. It doesn’t know the overlord of the overlord will become the warleader and thus can call in its allies.
The UI doesn’t register the correct defender participation in the DOW screen. You can try it yourself by declaring on a subject of a lesser partner in a PU
Something I can't make out of this picture (that may just be me)...so it is best to just ask you before I come with useless suggestions :P
Did the Ottomans declare war on you directly or a Vassal/ PU?
They declared on Moldavia, a vassal/march from Hungary and Hungary is my junior partner. So it is the 'usual' subject of a subject declaration.
Additionally The Mamluk enforced peace, so they joined our side as well.
I had made a post a little while ago about something similar and asked people 'why' the Ottomans declared war on me, my PU Hungary to be precise, despite their army being 3x smaller than mine and they attacked without their allies.
I got the reply that the AI sometimes struggles to take Overlords + Allies into account when it declares war on a PU or Vassal.
Because in your case Moldavia is a Vassal of your PU Hungary....I think it is safe to assume, providing the reasoning I have been given, that the AI struggles even more to take the full strength of what they will be facing into account.
That the Mamluks tried to enforce peace on the Ottomans, which they rejected, is something the AI cannot take into account. Would you reload, if possible (not that you would want to of course :P), this may not even happen.
I am not able to reload, so i cant verify if Mamluks again will enforce peace. I have thousands of hours in this game, but i have never seen an AI enforcing peace on my enemy and join on my side.
I am trying to use my memory now (kind of impossible currently), but indeed I believe I have never, ever, seen this either in my 4000 hours.
Probably the Mamluks thought "Oh, poor Moldavia....Lets help them" and thus again the AI did not [fully] take the 'overlord' Hungary, which itself is a subject, into account....let alone you and your allies.
Or maybe the Mamluks took into consideration that this is an excellent opportunity for them to weaken their 'Historic Rival' the Ottomans.
Extra help from the AI is never bad. As result i didnt had to do anything to beat the AI. Easy
Indeed :D
That's how that war went for me too....I was playing Austria with 16 Diplo relationships on a 6 Diplo Relationship Max (All Vassals and PUs).
Easiest campaign ever, I don't think I have lifted a finger in any war until late game :D
In the case of your example, they probably still declared despite the numbers disadvantage because the AI saw their troops as superior to yours in terms of quality, giving them an inflated strength rating.
In fareness, except for Spain+Mamluks, this was essentially the war the Ottomans won that solidified their European hegemony for 100s of years.
In EU IV you change history. This war was around 1470-ish. It was even my second defensive wat against the Ottomans already, but the first one i forced by making Byz my vassal while they were also at wat with Ottomans.
Well... I know that. I just don't know its relevant.
I'm just pointing out that they pretty much won this war in real life because you asked, "Why would they do that?"
If it’s 1500 or so the Ottos probably will win. Just another Euro coalition casually crushed by the Turk.
If this was patch 1.33 they'd probably win lmao
did they flip to another religion so they can get drunk?
No, still sunni
In my game I'm seeing the first that I've ever had in my games of a true otoman imposition. When from ottoblob to nothing, over a century of constant war or rebels. It was thoroughly entered
Similarly, Ottomans declared on me in my Austria run too. I think this should be fixed by devs. It is not fair that AI can't see the overlords of Moldavia. I think this is happened due to the Hungary being incorporated PU subject. Otto AI only see moldavia and Hungary as an enemy. This subject type came with last DLC. This should be fixed. Otherwise it present the game to the player in a silver platter.
and I can't get myself declared on by them as Byzantium allied to Wallachia and Albania
I was with Georgia allied to big muscovy and big austria, then ottos declared on me, allies joined, this would be an easy win i thought. Then some time later big commonwealth joined the war on ottos side. They had no relations to eachother…
Great powers are able to join if the war is unbalanced based on number of great powers on both sides. That is what happens in your game. That case happens a lot.
Mehmet: "Nah, I'd win"