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Exactly. Don’t expect a ford explorer to handle hard corners at 100+ mph like a 911 turbo and not roll or just leave the highway. Like bringing a street bike on a road trip through the mountains in middle of winter and not expecting any trouble. But whatever. But the protection plan when your asked in the beginning. Or goto State Farm and get drone insurance for 100$ a year. After a flyaway I did it. I was too hesitant to go far with it after that and I didn’t get it to be a pussy
I agree with 90% of what you said. In the second video I’m not doing anything even remotely crazy or acrobatic and it still crashes. That is really my biggest issue is the fact that you can actually be taking a u-turn pretty casually and it will fall. Any cinewhoop should not do that.
I think your expectations of the drone were beyond what DJI marketed the Avata to be able to do, and mostly any Cinewhoop for that matter.
DJI users with tons of money in nutshell.
Buy a freestyle 3inch if you wanna fly like freestyle-ish and not cinewhoop. Good lesson for all the egoistic customers who think they can return coz youtube shown them "FpV dRoNeS CaN dO ThAt".
Glad i didnt buy it. I’m going to wait for an avata 2 release, in the meantime my mavic 3 classic comes in today! 😎
You made a good move.
I really wanted the Avata too, but it screams ver 1.5 and there's certainly something better in the pipe, went with the mini 3 for now, hopefully they can patch it out
They need bigger motors the problem isn’t that hard to fix honestly. The concept is good the performance on the other hand is not so good
that's what I mean tho, the Avata is great, but there are too many barriers with it. it's a great step in the right direction, I'm just going to buy in once some of these kinks are out. hoping DJI has a sub 250g fpv mini out sometime in the future personally.
I disagree, Its an issue with the cinewhoop category in general. Totally differnet purpose then the Cinema drone category. For what the Avata is, all things considered its an amazing product. They do need to release a software update to mitigate the issue as best as possible.
It seems clear that the flight characteristics with the big propeller guards just don’t support acro mode very well. The Avata is a great drone for flying in gps modes, but when you increase the speed and perform moves that are only possible in acro (manual) mode, plenty enough people have reported the Avata Tumble for it to be a fluke. One guy upgraded the motors and it was a little more stable, but the OEM motors may not be powerful enough to get out of that condition when it occurs.
I have an Avata and I love flying it, never a tumble flying aggressively in sport mode.
All those videos are the reason why i didnt buy it
Same. It’s an expensive risk.
Could be the sharp U movement, on an angle because of the curve it has triggered the gyroscope to switch off the motors? Did it make the switch off sound in the turn or is prop wash?
Both times it happened the motors kept spinning during the crash. So I don’t think it’s the motors switching off. Whatever the issue is, DJI comes up with an excuse as to why it’s my fault and not theirs. The latest excuse is the prop guards cause flight resistance and it’s my fault that the drone fel during the U-turn, even though it’s a problem with the design of the prop guards… like come on
oh ok...I see you point. Either way, a return within 14 days of the purchase should not be questioned neither rejected.
Yup I knew it was recreatable if you just fly aggressively. Other owners on here religiously defending their Avata like it doesn't happen to theirs when they likely just dont fly it aggressively enough.
It's a cinewhoop not a freestyle. Still should happen but when it does it's hard to fault it when it's not really meant for what you're trying to do.
The craziest thing is I’ve taken so many u-turns more aggressively than this with the Avata. I don’t know if it’s when the avata is at a certain angle or what it is that makes it fall but I can attest that these U-turns were actually some of the slower u-turns I’ve taken. Whatever the issue is DJI has a big one that their ignoring and acting like it doesn’t exist.
Maybe they're flying it as aggressive as they should and not pushing a cinewhoop to do freestyle
but they arent you can see the videos... Its normal u turns its happening on so cope harder. Flying aggressively you can easily recreate the issue but it happens during normal flight doing u turns.
I have the avata and have done this move and haven't ever crashed.
yet
I think it is impossible to male these high speed agressive fpv drone super durable. There s just too many factors. Best for them would be- don't make these.
this is not the target group for these, if you destroy the avata it is mostly your mistake and not enough training.. if you have money and not the time to invest, it will cost ya more
that's where custom build drone sexist for more durability and better flights - yet they are not "easy" to use as Avata out of the box
They don’t want them to be super durable. They want them to be semi durable and have lots of special parts that you can buy after the fact that are made to be “super durable “ and not break after the first incident. Of some can choose to continue to buy stock,very fragile, easily broken parts. Either way they win and the fact that the CCP Is the ones cashing in at the end is a downer
I did not hit any tree branches for this crash to happen. I posted a second video where there’s obviously nothing around me and the exact same thing happens. DJI if you’re watching this… this is a defect and it’s pilot error? FUCK YOU my pilot skills clearly aren’t bad and your drone is a piece of garbage.
Honestly I think the design is a little top-heavy and the motors are a little under-powered for the aircraft and the intended use. People who have upgraded the motors have far less issue performing the maneuvers you did. Shouldn't have to upgrade it though.
That said, I'm still thinking about buying one. There simply isn't anything else out there that has that kind of range and video quality. The O3 air unit isn't out so you couldn't even build one if you wanted to.
the motors are under powered for sure but what we see here is prop wash. Tuning might help but its more an issue of the guards, props, and motors. DJI really screwed this release up
Honestly I think the design is a little top-heavy and the motors are a little under-powered for the aircraft and the intended use
The intended use is as a cinewoop and people are flying it like it's an FPV freestyle drone...
^ this is why i bought Avata. Not for freestyle. MY FPV is my go to aerobatic machine :)
And that's why I still want to buy one.
Yeah, it's a fine drone. I have one on the way myself but I ordered it to be a cinewoop. If I want to go crazy I'll pull out my actual FPV drone.
Even as a cinewhoop it’s pretty slow. Doesn’t fly that great and has a shitload of propwash if you need to drop altitude quickly.
Yeah 30MPH is terribly slow. All cinematic drones go much faster...
I mean the video you recorded was SO SLOW.
My backyard isn’t that big. All those leaves on the ground make it seem like I’m going super fast and I’m really not. Good luck chasing cars motorcycles or jet skis with this thing
If only there was another drone that DJI makes that both goes faster AND is suitable for freestyle.
Clearly at some point you looked at the top speed and thought it was fast enough.
Don’t tell me you think the first DJI FPV drone is any good …. Now you’re just completely playing yourself
Sure Jan.
I would wait for the O3 air unit to come out. It should be out any day now and like you said you shouldn’t have to upgrade motors. For that just build yourself a proper cinewhoop and you’ll save half the money. I think patience is key right now that O3 air unit should be days away. The motors are extremely underpowered and I’m calling DJI out and saying that’s the only reason why their flight time is any good. If there were serious motors on this it probably gets the same flight time as any other FPV drone
Actually people are still getting very respectable flight times with the Axis motors.
What is respectable in terms of minutes ? I’m getting 8 minutes with my cinelog 35 performance doing acro and flying aggressive with a 6S no gopro mounted though
For a small drone on a low-efficiency flight, 8 minutes is fairly decent.
For that just build yourself a proper cinewhoop and you’ll save half the money.
If you can fly drones in full manual mode why buy the DJI in the first place?
Tempted by the image quality (which is good). Idk why so many people defend dji. A cinewhoop is supposed to be able to handle a U-turn. There’s nothing acrobatic or complex about the movement at all.
So you agree that the drone is shitty built but it’s not a big deal and I need to chill? Lol want to send me my $800 back and then I’ll be as cool as a cucumber
Posted this on your other post, may as well post here.
First, DJI should be refunding you for the issues the Avata has when doing high speed maneuvers and having it fall from the sky. The fact that they are giving you a hard time is not okay. The battery popping out during a crash is also a problem, ironically making its "turtle mode" useless if the battery is never secure to use it.
With that said, I saw the post you made with the actual footage and you are NOT flying the Avata (aka a cinewhoop) the way a normal cinewhoop is meant to be flown. A cinewhoop is meant to be flown smoothly for the sake of cinematic shots (hence the "cine" in "cinewhoop"). What it's not meant to be able to do is go full speed and then be whipped 180 degrees in the opposite direction and have it spin on a dime. Now you're getting into more acro/racer series of FPV which this is is not, nor has it ever been marketed to do so. Just because you can put the Avata in full manual mode doesn't mean it's going to do whatever you decided to command it to do.
I understand your frustrations and you are well within your right to return the drone, but don't buy a mid-level car expecting it to handle like an F1. I think your expectations of the drone were beyond what DJI marketed the Avata to be able to do, and mostly any Cinewhoop for that matter.