"Art. 25 – If the alleged supernatural phenomena can be traced with certainty to a deliberate intent to bewilder and deceive others for ulterior motives (such as for profit or other personal interests), the Diocesan Bishop will apply, on a case-by-case basis, the relevant canonical penal norms in force."
TLDR?
If aliens are evil, gods comin to slay demons
Oh boy
From Chat GPT, and probably less 'extreme' than my tldr;
A. Nature of Discernment
- Purpose: The Church aims to discern if phenomena claimed as supernatural are truly divine, ensure they align with faith and morals, assess their spiritual fruits, and determine any potential risks or pastoral values.
- Ecclesiastical Caution: Generally, the Church does not positively affirm the divine origin of such phenomena.
- Role of "Nihil Obstat": This term means "nothing stands in the way." When granted, it does not obligate faith in the phenomena but recognizes potential spiritual value.
- Challenges: Supernatural phenomena can sometimes be mixed with human confusion or error, and discernment must consider these complexities.
B. Conclusions from Discernment
- Different Outcomes:
- Nihil Obstat: Recognizes spiritual value without confirming supernatural authenticity.
- Prae oculis habeatur: Acknowledges positive signs but notes confusion or risks that require careful discernment.
- Curatur: Notes significant issues but acknowledges widespread spiritual fruits, advising caution rather than promotion.
- Sub mandato: Addresses misuse by individuals rather than problems with the phenomenon itself.
- Prohibetur et obstruatur: Severe issues present; recommends public disapproval to prevent scandal.
- Declaratio de non supernaturalitate: Official declaration that the phenomenon is not supernatural, based on evidence.
II. Procedures to Follow
- Initial Investigation: Diocesan Bishops, in consultation with the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith, begin the investigation into reported supernatural events.
- Role of the Investigatory Commission: A commission, including experts in theology, canon law, and relevant fields, is formed to scrutinize the phenomenon thoroughly.
- Evaluation Criteria: Includes positive indicators such as credibility of witnesses and doctrinal orthodoxy, and negative indicators like potential errors or psychological issues.
- Final Decision: After investigation and evaluation, the Diocesan Bishop proposes a judgment to the Dicastery, which then confirms or denies the decision.
General Observations
- Vigilance and Discretion: The Church maintains a cautious approach, ensuring that any public recognition of supernatural phenomena does not compromise doctrinal integrity or lead to sensationalism.
- Collaboration: Processes involve collaboration between local bishops, the Dicastery, and sometimes broader ecclesiastical bodies.
- Comprehensive Approach: The guidelines emphasize a balanced assessment that considers both positive contributions and potential risks.
There’s always been the theory fallen angels/demons are aliens. The name has just changed.
LMAO who do you think God is?
Alanis Morissette?
Isn't it ironic?
Well that's ironic
LMAO 🤣 some of her music is alright
Check out the movie dogma
If you can find a copy 🙁
? All over ebay
The bluray aint been reprinted since like 08/09 sumn like that n is going for like $180 unopened, iirc. On ebay.
Also from what I remember, Harvey Weinstein owns the rights to that one personally, which is where a lot of the issues reprinting begin.
Aliens would be wise not to mess with Keanu Reeves and his dog!
Tom Hanks got this covered as well
Hehehe…penal.
(sorry, I’ll go now)
Something is brewing
There was someone on 4chan awhile ago claiming to be an insider at the Vatican and he was saying the antichrist now knows who he is to become, like he’s alive and gaining his power.
He was saying everyone will be deceived by him, he’s charismatic as fuck. lol
Maybe that dude wasn’t lying and this is the church trying to get ahead of him. Like don’t believe this dude…
Probably bullshit but it’s interesting nonetheless.
Maybe AGI is the antichrist. Maybe Elon is the false prophet. Idk, but shit’s getting stranger by the day.
I was thinking AI is the entity as well, not aliens or 4d beings.
The new chat gpt 4o can see and speak like the movie Her. They were using it to guide a blind man in the streets and explain what was being seen. That said, its just an upload away from a terminator being in one of those DARPA exoskeletons. Or a sexbot.
Call me crazy but !remindme 274 days
Wow! I didn’t hear that about the blind person, I’ll have to check that out. That movie was pretty trippy. Seems like everyone is developing androids/robots now. It weird to think that soon we will have autonomous robots doing people stuff. I would imagine AI will become super intelligent, and insane once all these bots are walking around, sharing information. When I was young, it sounded cool, but now it freaks me out.
Ai telling the blind man through a phone camera:
"Ducks just landed in the water. Theyre swimming about playfully. One just dove under looking for food"
Not exact quotes but Its insane..
Im with you. Im terrified after seeing this new version.
Wonder if dude was blind from birth or went blind. I imagine having a robot describe what something looks like to a person blind from birth wouldn't have the same impact.
Wow! That’s insane.
!remindme 274 days
Like a self full filing prophecy
Bro darpa and the CiA contract with a company literally called T2. We're in the Twilight zone.
Wouldn’t Elon Musk need to have charisma?
Nope, power works too.
I don't think Elon could be the antichrist. He's equally as hated as he's loved. The antichrist, if I understand correctly, is loved by EVERYONE. He is that charismatic.
Even the most charasmatic people, especially if in politics, will find plenty of people that dislike them. Idk how charismatic you'd have to be to get everyone to like you. Plus wouldnt that be a huge sign
Or a child born post 2002 after the tomb of Gilgamesh was discovered. An unusually tall child with a powerful and connected family. Probably the result of some genetic experiment.
Every super power country has been experimenting with CRISPR, and has been developing super soldiers. I would imagine that somewhere there’s a “perfectly” designed person. They would most likely use Jesus’ blood to make the one most amazing specimen. Maybe I’m wrong.
Barronn Trump
Any links or rememberthe name? Ive heard varying versions of this. Interested to check this out.
I think if you go to thier archive site 4plebs and search “Vatican Anon” you should be able to find it.
I seem to remember them saying something big will happen October 4th 2024 too, could be wrong.
And also nothing ever happens so there’s that. lol
Interestingly the US National Archive has just put an October 2024 deadline on the various government agencies to submit all their records regarding UFOs…
Do they have that authority?
Thanks.
Also.. kinda strange how this is getting downvoted to shit. (The post)
Maybe just me but how is this language used not interesting.
Im also concerned with sat May 18th, 40 days after the eclipse. Guess we dont have long to wait either way
Drake, Drake is the antichrist lol
Not a chance. The antichrist is charismatic and beloved. Drakes like one of the most hated men on the planet rn.
Username 😶
Walking Dude.
I'm also an insider at the Vatican and I can tell you that's bollocks.
From the Vatican:
"Listening to the Spirit Who Works in the Faithful People of God
God is present and active in our history. The Holy Spirit, who flows from the heart of the risen Christ, works in the Church with divine freedom and offers us many valuable gifts that aid us on the path of life and encourage our spiritual growth in fidelity to the Gospel. This action of the Holy Spirit can also reach our hearts through certain supernatural occurrences, such as apparitions or visions of Christ or the Blessed Virgin, and other phenomena.
Many times, these events have led to a great richness of spiritual fruits, growth in faith, devotion, fraternity, and service. In some cases, they have given rise to shrines throughout the world that are at the heart of many people’s popular piety today. What life and beauty the Lord sows beyond our human understanding and procedures! For this reason, the Norms for Proceeding in the Discernment of Alleged Supernatural Phenomena that we now present here are not intended to control or (even less) stifle the Spirit. In fact, in the best cases involving events of alleged supernatural origin, “the Diocesan Bishop is encouraged to appreciate the pastoral value of this spiritual proposal, and even to promote its spread” (I, par. 17).
St. John of the Cross recognized “the lowliness, deficiency, and inadequacy of all the terms and words used in this life to deal with divine things.”[1] Indeed, no one can fully express God’s inscrutable ways: “The saintly doctors, no matter how much they have said or will say, can never furnish an exhaustive explanation of these figures and comparisons, since the abundant meanings of the Holy Spirit cannot be caught in words.”[2] For “the way to God is as hidden and secret to the senses of the soul as are the footsteps of one walking on water imperceptible to the senses of the body.”[3] Indeed, “since he is the supernatural artificer, he will construct supernaturally in each soul the edifice he desires.”[4]
At the same time, in some events of alleged supernatural origin, there are serious critical issues that are detrimental to the faithful; in these situations, the Church must respond with utmost pastoral solicitude. In particular, I am thinking of the use of such phenomenon to gain “profit, power, fame, social recognition, or other personal interest” (II, Art. 15, 4°)—even possibly extending to the commission of gravely immoral acts (cf. II, Art.15, 5°) or the use of these phenomena “as a means of or pretext for exerting control over people or carrying out abuses” (II, Art. 16).
When considering such events, one should not overlook, for example, the possibility of doctrinal errors, an oversimplification of the Gospel message, or the spread of a sectarian mentality. Finally, there is the possibility of believers being misled by an event that is attributed to a divine initiative but is merely the product of someone’s imagination, desire for novelty, tendency to fabricate falsehoods (mythomania), or inclination toward lying.
Therefore, in its discernment in this area, the Church needs clear procedures. The Norms Regarding the Manner of Proceeding in the Discernment of Presumed Apparitions or Revelations, in use until now, were approved by Pope St. Paul VI in 1978, more than four decades ago. They remained confidential until they were officially published in 2011, thirty-three years later.
The Recent Revision
After the 1978 Norms were put into practice, however, it became evident that decisions took an excessively long time, sometimes spanning several decades. In this way, the necessary ecclesiastical discernment often came too late.
The revision of the 1978 Norms began in 2019 and involved various consultations envisioned by the then Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (Congresso, Consulta, Feria IV, and Plenaria). During the subsequent five years, several proposals for revision were made, but all were considered inadequate.
In the Congresso of the Dicastery on 16 November 2023, it was acknowledged that a comprehensive and radical revision of the existing draft was needed. With this, the Dicastery prepared a new and entirely reconsidered draft that clarified the roles of the Diocesan Bishop and the Dicastery.
The new draft underwent review in a Consulta Ristretta on 4 March 2024. Overall, the experts had a favorable opinion of the text, though they made some suggestions for improvement, which were subsequently incorporated into the document.
The text was then studied in the Dicastery’s Feria IV of 17 April 2024, during which the Cardinal and Bishop Members gave it their approval. Finally, on 4 May 2024, the new Norms were presented to the Holy Father, who approved them and ordered their publication. He established that these Norms will take effect on 19 May 2024, the Solemnity of Pentecost."
Who gives a fuck what the Vatican has to say on their Golden Thrones Of Lies, rape and death.
Yes! My position too. Fuck em.
agreed. to hell with all singular god religions really. Faith is just a series of convenient accidents backed by illogical beliefs, and a stalwart willingness to disregard anything contrary to those beliefs.
Because they're basically seen as the agent and mouthpiece of God for nearly 20% of the global population.
The mouthpiece of Satan more like it lmao
Popes just clearing the way for the arrival of all his homies. They're getting out of pickup soon.
Something is coming.
Yeah. Climate change.
Bwahahahahahaha
nothingburger
Ill take mine with fries
Superstitious people believe in superstition. What else is new?
What supernatural phenomena? What event is this statement in regards to? The jellyfish uap?
Pushing the new dark ages. The spanish inquisition, witchunt and the torture and burning of the heretics is next.
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Sauce to read?
If you still believe in fairy tales about an angry sky god and his self sacrificing son, then you’ll believe this
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