I didn't give him the job because his kid is a jerk

I think you made the right decision but l also just bought a truck because there was a shelf in the glove box.

Grab some reef glue and a small rock and seal him in his cave. Had to do this when I could not catch a mantis shrimp after days of trying.

Certainly serves as proof that the whole interview process is a crapshoot.

I have an ex-friend who would take interim roles and spend the whole time plotting their next move and doing mach interviews while everyone else has to pick up the slack and do her work. She kept moving up the ladder because her references were desperate for her to move on so they could replace her with someone effective. Long story short, you made the right decision. Jerks are toxic and ineffective and if he can’t see it in his son he definitely cannot see it in himself

It's a management position. He obviously can't even manage his home. Why would you pay him to manage other adults.

What if it wasn’t the same guy? Lol.

I wouldnt have given him a job either.

Kids learn the behaviour off the parents.

I read somewhere recently that immediately discarding the resume of the person that interviewed best improved the chances their hire would pan out. A good worker doesn’t always interview well. The people who interview best are often good social manipulators/ butt kissers.

Hope he’s not the step-dad with no say😅

I used to be on the hiring team at my facility for a major US company. I have seen people get blackballed for lots of inappropriate reasons from not liking a tattoo, social media posts, sports team likes and even I dated that gut wife in college. I have also seen less qualified people get hired for similar reasons.

I think you did the right thing. I have a neighbour who recently moved in, second day of his tenancy I noticed his friends and the company he keeps are absolute losers… pulling up to the house in a done-up average car with stupid loud music blaring out and a set of women’s underwear hanging from the back windscreen wiper… no class at all. I judged right then that this new neighbour is probably a total jerk. The next 6 months proved this to be the case.

Kids (and pets) behaviour reflect their parents (or owner).

Seriously serves as proof that interview proceed like this

He might be oblivious, but maybe the jerk behaviour comes from the mother?
Maybe he’s a downtrodden, beaten man who needs a break and a new lease on life.
Or I could be just making up stories.

Call me cynical, but the grammar here gives me pause.

Fuck him and his c*nt kid. Good job.

I also think you made the right decision.

My mom's is a recruiter and honestly a pretty popular lady. You'd be shocked at the amount of times she rejected someone due to an outside reason. She holds insane grudges and has a fantastic memory. Normally she can justify it because "if they would do X to a stranger they would do Y to this company". Surprisingly her strategy is on point she has the highest new hire satisfaction rate in her company and everyone loves the work she does.

Plot twist: it's not his kid, mama was playing you're the father.

An involved parent with a poorly behaved kid will keep his eyes on the child the entire game. You may have brought him in for a second interview to try to understand better — a lunch interview, perhaps. Bring up the kids and hockey, and learned more before you decided. I completely understand your decision though.

I'm incredibly good in itw but terribly bad at doing my jobs if that can confort you in your choice

Sometimes kids are way different if they think that the parents don't know how they are acting , I had a prominent student who thought they were better than my child and I seen her parents and I told them about her behavior and they just about lost it they grounded her , made her apologize and took her off of the school sports until she treats others better and the parents were middle class and said they just got lucky with money and no one should be a jerk or treat others bad . Pull the man back in and give him an example of his kids behavior and ask him what he thinks of it 😏 then make your choice.

I don't feel strongly about whether OP is right or wrong, but man, how wild would it be if he just isn't great with faces and this guy isn't the same person he thought it was at all? Or just happens to have a relative or even brother that looks a lot like him lol.

I hope you knew 100% that (a) it's the same guy & not just someone with similar looks; and (b) that he's actually that kid's dad and not just an adult who knows the jerk kid but has no parental rights or authority over them.

It's unfair to judge a candidate based on their child's behavior. Professional qualifications should be the sole criterion for hiring decisions.

I hope you find the peace or resolution you're looking for.

I wouldn't hire him either. However, I don't judge parents until I see them interact.

He may have interviewed well, but you've seen the real thing. I wouldn't have hired him either

Kids will be jerks because a development phase sometimes, not necessarily because of bad parenting.

You're not alone in feeling this way.

You’re the jerk. Here’s to Karma coming full circle. I hope you lose your job and this guy is in a position to help you and chooses not to. Kids are kids, especially rambunctious hockey players. What’s your excuse?

Kids develop behaviours from their parents. If the kids a jerk, he’s clearly picked it up from a lack of good role models. I would have done the same thing.

Although I’d probably keep it professional if he asks. “Your interview was great but we decided to pick someone with more experience😁… also your kids an asshole”

And i think you're a petty prick....you have no clue what issues the kid has but you fuck over his old man??

It’s very possible the son is a jerk because the dad puts him on a pedestal. I think you jumped to a conclusion. YTA

What if he’s having trouble with the kid, and is at his wit’s end and hockey is the ‘outlet’?

It does not excuse the behaviour, but…

I completely understand your thought process and overall decision. HOWEVER, you should refresh your management/ interviewing training. Not only is what you’re describing unethical but also could possibly be illegal. Sounds like bias, discrimination, or “like me” interviewing. You could’ve have been upfront with him about what you’ve seen and given him a chance to explain. He probably would be on his kids ass from there on out, maybe not, could’ve also reported you for asking non related questions. Regardless, I hope whoever got the position is a good fit. Obviously, you seem to know this situation was unethical/ unprofessional since you posted it here. You should respectfully call him out if you see him not being mindful while his kid acting like a jerk. You owe him that much, give them both a chance for development

You let your personal feelings get in the way of doing the job you were hired to do. You weren’t interviewing his kid. The minute you realized you knew this man and had a problem with his family, you should have ethically recused yourself from that interview and let someone else do it.

Job and kid's activity is two different thing's. That's the home matter. If he work's well and passed the interview then you should select him. After that if his behavior is not good for company then fire him. But don't make judgement

OP not hiring a good potential manager is not a good business decision. Is his kid going to tag along whike working? I dont think so.

Seems like he dodged a bullet not getting hired by you if you based your judgements of people on personal irritations and the behavior of other people around them. Especially when you would be deducting points for "bad behavior" of their (teenage?) kid at a frickin ice hockey venue, where fighting on the ice is hardly outside the scope of the behaviour of those kids actual role models and the expectations for them.

I'd hate to be on a team where the senior manager is basing their judgement calls on things that aren't even related to the actual behavior or performance of the people involved, or decide that because some junior exec is looking strung out or something that it's somehow my fault.

If he was the “best” one that interviewed, he should have gotten the job. You can’t let personal nonsense like that get into the way of a business decision. There could be any number of reasons why the kid is that way. Regardless, it shouldn’t have even been part of the decision making process. I think this was very poor judgement.

No wonder why the job market is fucked, crazy old hags in HR.

This belongs on r/LinkedInLunatics

We’re waiting for you to tell us what this taught you about B2B sales.

You should judge the person for a specific job not with the family matters. That's his private life.

Oh great financially cripple his parents more. I’m sure that will make the Dad a better Dad and the kid behave better. I wish I knew where you worked the level of illogical reasoning and immaturity in this is wild. You sound worse than the child whose life you just likely made worse. Be the adult you needed as a child and grow up.

Theres quite a bit of pertinent information that you have to have left out, that would help to better understand the situation. From your description, I would first ask this question…How did you make it to Sr. Management while, just by this little bit of info., a rather petty and insecure person, who has no problem being detrimental to the success of yourself, your organization, and those that you supervise?

You may have passed on the best employee ever based on your assumption that his kid’s behavior is directly related to the dad, especially after his great interview.

I don't think you were correct. It takes two people to parent. Hmm, I really don't like your personal reason for passing over the guy.

If this is how you make hiring decisions, then I’d say you’re not suited to hire a janitor, let alone someone for a management position.

Best of luck to you, hope your conscience is clear.

You are the problem. What is your sex?

If you have to deal with the kid consistently, it's a major consideration... But admit that to no one.

The comma splices make me question how anyone would ever take you seriously.

YTA and have demonstrated yourself to be completely unprofessional and unequipped to hold any type of supervisory role.

I personally think it’s bullshit! Are you sure your kids are always perfect angles? I think this is more about you and your ego. You said he never talked to you and you’re sure I the interview he had no idea who you were. Lame, especially since he interviewed the best. You’re a total unprofessional!

Wow. You don't know the guy, so you dont know the story behind his family life. You jump right into blaming someone and holding a grudge instead of confronting a problem like an adult would. You could have found common ground. You might have been able to connect, and help this alleged jerk of a kid change his ways through his father. It doesn't matter now as you tossed away the chance to be an example for your kids of how to be better just to be a petty, small minded person who abuses their position. You plainly, possibly intentionally, put your personal feelings before your job and your supposed position as senior management. That's some piss poor leadership skills, if you even have any. The funny thing is, I get the feeling you're using this more as a brag, as opposed to a confession of guilt. Good job 👍

PS: We just have to ask,"Where did you learn this sort of behavior was acceptable?"