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On rides I lean a bit more foreward, this alllows the ellbows to bend, you mean this right?
So it seems I do not need to stress about getting a 57 frame
That frame geometry actually looks quite relaxed (looking at the top tube), I think a 57 would be too small for you and you would end up with a longer stem to make up a bit.
Having said that, I prefer a smaller frame with a longer stem, for a lower front end which I slam over time of using the bike from new. I am however reasonably flexible, well weathered and ride often.
Work on your posture when riding, constantly think about it, do spells in an aggressive position if you like, learn to lean forwards and down with your upper body, see where your comfort ends and then back up a little bit to you feel the balance of maxing out your position but still being comfortable, over time this should increase and you may want to fit a longer stem, or slam it, or move your saddle forward, or tilt your hoods down and in... Any bike changes you make, you can undo (unless you cut the forks so be sure there).
Whatever you do, I can't STRESS THIS ENOUGH. Do your supporting stretches in and around your hips. Work out your hamstrings too, be it swimming, weight training etc.
For the record I'm 193cm, long limbs, short back.
I ride a 59 (58top tube) with a 130mm stem at -17° slammed. My saddle to bar drop is huge, on tired days my arms burn from holding my upper body, up. This is a con for the fact I want to be streamline most of the time. The fatigue in my arms is only on the extreme when I'm worn out. My weight distribution is a little heavy to the front, but I can also sit up to about where you are and relieve that issue immediately, this is the balance I mentioned previously.
You’re about the same height as me with a similar inseam. I used to race on 56cm frames but would have to stretch it out with a 120mm stem. This was informed by my coach at the time who advocated getting the smallest (and therefore lightest and most nimble) bike I could make fit. Now that I’m not racing anymore and pick my own bikes I’ve found myself going with larger frames. I’ve found through experimentation that I actually prefer slightly larger frames with a shorter stem. Usually end up between a 58-60cm these days which lets me run a more reasonable 90mm stem depending on the bars.
While the whole package plays a role, most important things I’ve found for picking frame size is saddle setback and standover. Relatively speaking, those are the two most “fixed” measurements. You can’t change standover without changing wheel and/or tire size and you can only move your saddle a few cm (plus adding a zero or long setback post as needed). Saddle to bar drop and reach are much more flexible.
Looks about right to me, may want to lower your saddle a bit though
Saddle looks fine to my eye. He’s currently got his mid-foot on the pedal. Once he’s riding with clipless pedals it’ll shift the pedal further forward a bit and change the foot angle (?not sure how to say change the foot shape to give it a curve?).
Makes sense. So if I feel alright and from my posture in the image the frame fits?
why lower the saddle?
Knee looks a little too extended at the bottom of the stroke, although I'm not a bike fitter and OP should do whatever works for them if they're comfortable and injury-free.
A cleat may add a little stack height too (if they plan on using clipless pedals).
from what I know the knee should be extended fully at the bottome of the stroke!
Think you got to work on your posture on the bike before you can say for sure. Looks to me like you could benefit from tilting forward with your hips. This will take the sharp bend out of your lower back and help with the reach.
When I got my bike fit I was making a similar mistake. Fitter told me afterwards he would have initially guessed I needed a shorter stem, but once we played with the hoods and got the hip angle right I was fine.
yea I put the saddle closer to the cockpit and when Ititl more forwars I have good reach. In the picture I was trying to sit more up.
So it seems fine?
Don't adjust reach with saddle. Sitting up on a road bike still requires a hip hinge. In the picture it looks like your ass is on a cruiser. Overall you look close and my point is it might be posture over fit.
I'd try a shorter stem.
And or flip it.
it's a one piece cockpit. If I lean forward I feel more comfortable
Ok, not a fan of those. Especially as a bigger guy. A simple failure ends up costing a lot.
Check your knee over pedal. Perhaps you could shift your seat forward a fraction.
You look stretched out, but if it works that's great.
can you define stretched out? When I ride I lean more forwards and my ellbows are then at a lower angle. + I can put clsoer at a max then i am closer to the cockpit
Have you been fitted?
In a fit, they like you to be able to lift your hands and still pedal in a balanced position.
If you're stretched out it feels like you are leaning too far and falling forward. That eventually throws too much weight on your hands.
no, just standard measurements in the shop. When I ride I feel not so much preassure on my hands
It's not something you'll notice immediately. A few thousand miles, and not just rides to the store znd back.
If it feels fine and you are znd experienced rider that's good. Of you are not, then your definition of "feels fine" is yet to be worked out.
Good luck.
I see thanks. I put the saddle clsoer and leanin a bit more forward, this eliminates the strech out. But also in the picture I sit more upright in comparison to riding
You don't want to screw up your knee over pedal. Make sure that's right, or you'll hurt your knees.
I think you need to get a proper fit.
The frame may be fine, but if the nuance is wrong it can all go wrong
I'm 188 tall and geometry looks great for me
I just checked knee over pedal at 3 o clock. It is as it should be in the description. I maybe will do one before a longer tour.
"I'm 188 tall and geometry looks great for me"
You mean my bike frame fit in the image?
Cycling shoes + being clipped in will change your position enough to not be able to tell if your saddle height is correct at all. Your shoulders look shrugged, your upper back doesn't look relaxed at all, you might be reaching a bit much. You'll need a relatively long ride to judge this yourself though.
I'm on a 56cm frame, same height as you, 59cm sounds horrible for me, but everyone's proportions are different.
Yea I was not very relaxed in the picture. It feels comfortable to drive and in the bike shop I was told it fits. I am confused about the frame sizes. I bought the bike not sute if I can get the 57
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Looks a good fit, a few tweaks here and there depending on your flexibility wouldn't go a miss.
My first tip, bend your elbows, be loose on top. Spend most of your rides focusing on being relaxed on the top half with slightly bent elbows. Doing this for a long time has allowed me to ride with 90° elbows for very long periods of time, which is faster in a aero prospective.
Remember as a cyclist to do your supporting stretches, mostly around your back, hips and hamstrings.