Do you think that will ever happen again?
The 1980 World Series (Phillies vs. Royals) was the last Series to feature two teams who had never won the Series before.
If the Rockies make the World Series in the next 30 years I’ll grill my nuts in a waffle iron
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I’ll just note that it was u/Luis_Severino
Oddly specific
Yet oddly provocative
He said nuts not testicles, nuts in waffles are pretty good. Pecans are considered nuts and they're great on waffles, yum
I’m an Internet lawyer, and I have concluded that Luis_Severino, in fact, promised to grill his testicles if the Rockies make it.
Rocktober for everyone else, rock-less October for this guy.
I narrowly dodged having to poop in my car’s gas tank after Josh hader signed for less than $100M. Wouldn’t be surprised if I get burned this time. Gotta stop playing with fire
Alternatively, if you play with fire and burn them off, the contractual obligation to grill your nuts would be null and void. As would your nuts. The court ruled that in Knoxville v. Flamethrower.
If you put your testicles on a hot waffle iron I suspect you’ll be burned
I love your weirdly specific self damage bets. I used to do the same. I once bet that I would drink a cup of olive oil if I was wrong about a cast member of A Bronx Tale. This was pre smart phone days. So it was hours of drinking and arguing my case before being proven wrong and having to pay up
Rocky Mountain Oysterfest
Don’t let the other guy grilling his balls distract from this, the most Georgia comment ever to grace Reddit.
Is this the same waffle iron you grilled your nuts in Michael?
I think they call that a joba chamberlain
Is that how Rocky Mountain Oysters are made?
This is the best "never gonna fucking happen" bet I have ever heard.
I mean they made the big show in 2007 before getting absolutely steamrolled by the Sox. That ALCS was way more entertaining that year.
That reminds me, with the Texas Rangers winning the World Series last year, that means all of the pre-divisional play teams have now won the World Series.
yes, this year when the Brewers face the Mariners.
Ah, the Jesse Winker legacy series
Imagine Jesse fucking Winker walking us off in a WS game.
I like to imagine him giving our dugout the double bird as he rounds the bases.
Probably would come across and endearing lol. That was the best thing he ever did for us.
If we lost to the double bird, I wouldn't be happy about it, but I also wouldn't be that mad
He’s on the Nationals
Also Seattle Pilots legacy series
Jesse Winker revenge story (but on who?).
Brewers beat the Reds and Nats to get there
Hey! What about us!
simple, you'll play the Rays in 2025.
I accept this new reality with open arms
Vedder Cup World Series is 100% my dream scenario every season.
I’m with you on that one, friend. I root for the mariners in the AL every year!
That would put me in a very tough position. Who do I support? If I can only go to one game, which stadium?
Childhood vs present. And two of the best places to watch baseball.
Seattle Pilots vs Seattle Mariners.
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Blasphemy. We need the Vedder World Cup
Vedder Cup is the only correct answer.
The saddest thing is that the old Seattle Pilots and the Milwaukee brewers are the same team. The legacy of Seattle baseball championship failure transcends even the Mariners franchise itself. (Ignore the flair, I am also a lifelong Mariners fan)
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Would be the old Mariners vs the Mariners too. Spicy
I'd watch the fuck out of that, but it might end up having the lowest TV ratings in WS history lol
the great thing is, we are fans and we don't have to give a single fuck about TV ratings.
Real
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Hey hey back off, we face the mariners
Didn't the Brewers win it in the 70s? Or did they just make it there but lost?
Lost to St Louis in 1982.
Thanks i knew it was something
I’ll allow it
The brewers. 🤣
Idk if you should be making fun of other teams when your team’s name is definitely an innuendo for something.
I made fun of the idea of the brewers making the world series.
Rays-Brewers seems actively possible in the near future
No do words good, no did college go
College for nerds
We can wheel, we can deal. We can oversee hostile takeovers.
NL:
Brewers (.595)
Padres (.500)
Rockies (.243)
AL:
Mariners (.526)
Rays (.500)
Seems not impossible at all but not especially likely. At present the Rockies feel like the only franchise that isn't really trying to be a playoff team.
Rockies are almost just a front for Taco Bell at this point
You say that like it’s a bad thing
That 163th game really broke them or something.
Felt like after that game, every year been ‘Meh, so what’ kind of year for Rockies?
Denver finished gentrifying and ownership realized there’s an infinite pool of yuppies who will show up and spend a bunch of money no matter what
163th
Why do so many people do this
Didn't they sweep their way to the WS though?
At present the Rockies feel like the only franchise that isn't really trying to be a playoff team.
Are we sure? Bill Schmidt said two years ago they’re not the Dodgers because they scout, draft, and develop. Surely they’re much better now than back then…
The 1906 World Series was the last time neither participant had even been to a World Series before
And since the Mariners are the only team never to have made it to a world series, it'll never happen again until another expansion.
Let’s go Expos!
Kind of cool that all the old franchises (pre-1960) have at least one win. Imagine a team existing for over a century without a single championship. Although the Phillies came close, winning their first at 97 years old. But I actually haven’t looked thoroughly enough to know how old each team was when they won their first.
And of the five teams that haven’t won yet, the Mariners are the only one without an appearance.
Team | First MLB Season | First Pennant | First World Championship (since 1903) | Seasons Needed (since 1903) | Notes |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Atlanta Braves | 1876 | 1877 | 1914 | 12 | Also won 1892 World Series. Won 1995 WS in their 30th season in ATL. |
Chicago Cubs | 1876 | 1876 | 1907 | 5 | |
Cincinnati Reds | 1882 | 1882 | 1919 | 17 | |
Pittsburgh Pirates | 1882 | 1901 | 1909 | 7 | |
St. Louis Cardinals | 1882 | 1885 | 1926 | 24 | Also won 1886 World Series |
Philadelphia Phillies | 1883 | 1915 | 1980 | 78 | |
San Francisco Giants | 1883 | 1888 | 1905 | 3 | Also won 1888 and 1889 World Series. Won 2010 WS in their 53rd season in SF. |
Los Angeles Dodgers | 1884 | 1889 | 1955 | 53 | Won 1959 WS in their 2nd season in LA. |
Baltimore Orioles | 1901 | 1944 | 1966 | 64 | 1966 WS win was their 13th season in BAL. |
Boston Red Sox | 1901 | 1903 | 1903 | 1 | |
Chicago White Sox | 1901 | 1901 | 1906 | 4 | |
Cleveland Guardians | 1901 | 1920 | 1920 | 18 | |
Detroit Tigers | 1901 | 1907 | 1935 | 33 | |
Minnesota Twins | 1901 | 1924 | 1924 | 22 | Won 1987 WS in their 27th season in MIN. |
Oakland Athletics | 1901 | 1902 | 1910 | 8 | Won 1972 WS in their 5th season in OAK. |
New York Yankees | 1903 | 1921 | 1923 | 21 | |
Los Angeles Angels | 1961 | 2002 | 2002 | 42 | |
Texas Rangers | 1961 | 2010 | 2023 | 63 | 2023 WS win was their 52nd season in TEX. |
Houston Astros | 1962 | 2005 | 2017 | 56 | |
New York Mets | 1962 | 1969 | 1969 | 8 | |
Kansas City Royals | 1969 | 1980 | 1985 | 17 | |
Milwaukee Brewers | 1969 | 1982 | N/A | 56+ | This is their 55th season in MIL. |
San Diego Padres | 1969 | 1984 | N/A | 56+ | |
Washington Nationals | 1969 | 2019 | 2019 | 51 | 2019 WS win was their 15th season in WAS. |
Seattle Mariners | 1977 | N/A | N/A | 48+ | |
Toronto Blue Jays | 1977 | 1992 | 1992 | 16 | |
Colorado Rockies | 1993 | 2007 | N/A | 32+ | |
Miami Marlins | 1993 | 1997 | 1997 | 5 | |
Arizona Diamondbacks | 1998 | 2001 | 2001 | 4 | |
Tampa Bay Rays | 1998 | 2008 | N/A | 27+ |
Nice. So it did take the Phillies the longest to win one, and by a decent margin too. And it looks like every team who hasn’t won yet has at least a couple of decades to figure it out before they break that record.
NY Mets and NY Giants both won in under 10 years and it took the Yankees 21 years. Scrubs.
Brooklyn Dodgers took 5 years.
NY Cubans took 12 years.
Why is it even called a pinstripe?
More like suckstripes.
It’s good to know that what felt like an eternity to me really was an eternity and I wasn’t being dramatic for the past 3+ decades of my life.
Padres-Mariners?
The ultimate Vedder cup
Darth Vedder Cup.
Both times they got close to the WS, they ran into juggernauts lol
2001 Mariners were the juggernauts.
Yankees had to beat two teams with over 100 wins to get to the world series.
The 1984 Tigers are the greatest team of my lifetime.
God, I hope so
Wild that it took the Phillies until 1980.
Considering Philly was the first team to 10,000+ losses, I'm not surprised it took that long lol
97 years until a title probably has to be a record as well.
To be fair, they existed for nearly 20 years before the first World Series so it was "only" 78 years.
Except they didn't win the National League title during those years (their first pennant was in the World Series era), so their title draught was the full 97.
Well, Google is utterly worthless nowadays, but in American sports it’s a pretty safe bet. I’d wager there are some European soccer teams that have existed longer without a title, though.
It would take years of us going 162-0 or decades of us playing 100 win baseball to reach .500.
The Phillies in the early 1900s all the way until like the 70s were, with very, very few exceptions, a horribly run team that would never win anything.
Between their first two World Series appearances (1915 and 1950) they had 4 winning seasons. Two were the two years following their first WS app and the last was the year immediately preceding their second. They also had a random 78-76 season in the 30s. During those 35 years, they lost 100 games 13 times (reminder: they didn't play 162 games at this point) and finished last in the NL 16 times. They finished above 4th place only 3 times (the two after the 1st WS and the one before the 2nd WS)
They were not much better in the 60s to early 70s, though they did manage to lose 100 games just one time between 1950 and the team finally becoming good in the late 70s.
Once you get to the divisional era, the Phillies aren't too bad on the win percentage front.
I suddenly feel better about the state of the Mariners.
Yeah it’s always felt kinda weird that as much time as I spend steeped in baseball history, the Phillies before the 70s are kinda just a blank space in my mind.
Oh yeah, I remember that happening a couple of years ago.
2007
Oh...
I blame the Athletics being the Yankees of Philadelphia for 50 years. Took the Phillies a while to build a reputation from being trash.
My dad used to tell me that the Phillies only win a World Series once every 97 years. 😂
His other Philly Phun Phact in the time it took for the Phillies to win one World Series, the A’s had won 5 World Series and had been out of Philadelphia for 26 years!
(My dad may have some resentment that the successful team left Philadelphia.)
You know how people say “those guys back then weren’t good, they played against plumbers”? We were the plumbers.
That WS ended the day before I was born. Which meant of course until 2016, my life was basically the exact span of time in which the Cubs had the longest drought in the majors.
I feel like 2016 deserves the equivalent of an honorary degree here.
I was gonna say 2005 as well. Astros had never won it, and I think the White Sox last won it in 1917 or something
I had that same thought after I made that comment. I remember being so annoyed that the World Series that year featured two Cubs rivals and one group or another was going to be so happy and I couldn't stand for it to be either one.
And 2016 was the same for the White Sox, although the consensus was that Sox diehards were rooting for Cleveland.
A Padres/Mariners World Series isn’t exactly that unfeasible a notion
not infeasible unless you know anything about the history of those two ballclubs
That’s true but it still hurts.
Just because it isnt doesnt mean we all want to see it
There are 3 NL teams & 2 AL Teams yet to win one. Plus it seems like 2 expansion teams will be added in the next decade, bringing that up to 4 & 3 potentially
So if my math is correct, there's about a 5% chance (slightly less) that it'll happen again assuming every team has equal odds over that stretch. Probably a little lower realistically.
There are 225 World Series Combinations.
6 of them would allow for a guaranteed new champion.
So every year there is a 2.67% chance of this scenario, all things being random.
However, there is also a 14% chance that a team would win the WS and remove itself from the pool of teams that had never won a WS.
This math might be bad, and someone who is better might be able to calculate the chance that this scenario would happen before all possible combinations where it could happen are exhausted.
Some forget that Royals/Kauffman Stadium had artificial turf in its first 22 years of operation.
I mean, there's an argument to be made that this happened in 2019.
Not really. You're free to say it shouldn't count, but you can't really argue that it didn't happen.
I was mostly being facetious and trying to rile up Astros fans (like shooting fish in a barrel), but there's a case to be made to vacate the title. Of course I know that they are credited as winning.
Wait, but the Astros had already won in 2017-- ohhh, I get it. Well played.
Absolutely. I will forever stand by that the ‘17 title should have been vacated.
Forever mad
Here's a question I haven't heard anyone ask: was Yu Darvish "tipping his pitches" in game 7, or did the Astros reverse engineer those tells because of the elaborate sign stealing they did in game 3?
How were astros relaying the signals to hitters during Yu Darvish’s game 7 start?
What I'm saying is, it is much easier to find tells when you know what you're looking at before the pitch has even been thrown. Maybe they would have found them anyway, but until game 3 he'd been lights out the whole playoffs, so I dunno, man.
What I'm saying is, it is much easier to find tells when you know what you're looking at before the pitch has even been thrown.
Right. This is called watching film/scouting. Every team has a scouting department that does this, still to this day, and there’s nothing illegal or wrong about it.
What are you getting at exactly?
Finding tells in a pitcher’s delivery isn’t cheating.
I'm saying they may have picked up on something in-game, not on film.
And that’s also not illegal. What do you think those tablets are in the bullpen?
Once again. Finding tells in a pitcher’s delivery is not illegal and never has been.
I didn't say it was illegal. I said that the extra few seconds of knowledge the Astros acquired, via illegal means, during each pitch may have allowed them to notice something they otherwise wouldn't have.
And I’m telling you that every team has a scouting department, that watches every pitch to look for these things.
The Astros scandal isn’t that they were analyzing pitchers. There’s no cheating doing that. It was that they were decoding signs and then relaying that information to the batter while he was hitting. That is illegal.
So what you’re getting at doesn’t really make sense, unless you’re suggesting that people were relaying information to batters while they were hitting.
Forever cheaters
I can’t wait for the padres/mariners World Series this year and it goes San Diego’s way!
In the Phillies defense…
I believe this is still the highest rated (most watched) World Series to date.
Happened in the NHL last year lmao
The “San Francisco” Giants hadn’t previously won the World Series when they played Texas in 2010. Same with the “Atlanta” Braves and Blue Jays in 1992.
In that case the Las Vegas/Sacramento A’s could join this list eventually. But that would require John Fisher to spend money
Yeah, I would think teams that move and get entirely new fan bases should count here
When the Cubs and Indians played in 2016, it was functionally the same thing. The most recent win for either team was 68 years prior.
That's kind of what I was thinking:
- 1980 Phillies - 73 years since 1903's 1st WS
- 1980 Royals - 11 years since 1969 expansion
- 2016 Cubs - 108 years since 1908
- 2016 Indians - 68 years since 1948
Was looking at Super Bowls when this happened - only four times including the first one.
I - Chiefs vs. Packers
III - Jets vs. Colts
XVI - Bengals vs. 49ers
XX - Patriots vs. Bears
Cubs vs Indians might as well have been that though lol
I think it won’t happen again, just by odds.
When the Mariners win their first WS, I hope it’s against the Braves. My wife and I cheer for both.
2019?? Whose history is Washington claiming? The original Senators/Nationals are now the Twins.
Edit: I’m getting my years confused. Don’t mind me lol.
We have the Expos history, so 2019 would be our first. Also the Astros won before so wouldn’t even matter for this.
One day it shall be returned to the enchanted land of Montreal where it belongs.
They can have it, but it’s safe to say that we’ve made the Nationals DC’s team. No takebacks
I think he’s joking that the Astros hadn’t won a WS before (you know, the whole asterisk thing)
Nah I’m just rearranging history in my head
If it weren't for Randy Johnson and Luis Gonzalez we would have had one last year
1903, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1909, 1920, 1980
Not exactly a long list.
I suppose there are two AL teams (SEA, TBR) and three NL teams (SDP, MIL, COL) plus any future expansion teams, so it is still possible.