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Why do you think aliens won’t give us “the everyday person”an obvious sign that they exist?
QuestionPerhaps they were never hiding, simply existing in a way that the human organism is in no way equipped to understand or detect. I don't deliberately hide from bacteria, but here I am.
This makes me think of the native guy (from Brazil? can't remember) who was on a podcast and was asked about aliens, and had no clue. But when shown a pic of a gray, knew exactly what it was, had a name for it, and said they lived underground. There is a lot of native lore floating around that western colonizer culture just calls myths.
One of the most interesting things I've read is how our vocabulary actually affects how we view and understand reality. So just having a different vocabulary (or different language) can cause you to see subtle things differently.
When you acknowledge spoken language, and images as literal 'programming language' then you can see how this works. Memetics and dogma have been used to program human perception for thousands of years, images and symbols are particularly good at bypassing logic systems to target the subconscious, they serve as powerful delivery mechanisms for associated ideas.
This is exactly why I try to avoid both listening and viewing any ads I am aware of being subject to. It's equally fascinating and terrifying to me.
For example, one of my favourite hobbies lately has been exploring the narrative of my favourite game, Elden Ring and applying this concept to an art form I had not previously considered applicable.
Searching and analyzing subtext, entendre, innuendo and other hidden meanings within the text and dialogue present is novel and exciting, enlightening and empowering as I tumble like Alice down a rabbit hole to learn how disproportionate the amount of implicit meaning exists as opposed to explicit. The vast majority of information is not conveyed intentionally to my conscious, but its certainly received, unplanned to my subconsciously.
Whether it's through words, colours, shapes, numbers, symbolism etc, there is way more room to store information in covert or implicit ways within even just a "videogame"
Bro wrote a dissertation in the comment section 😅
Haha just a bit of expressive rumination on the current discussion. While understandably bereft of value to many, such as yourself, it certainly contributes to the dialogue in an appropriate manner.
Yeah? He said something cool that I wanted to talk about too so I wove together a few complementary thoughts on the topic into one unexciting reply
As such, it's difficult to surmise an equally benign and respectful purpose within the nature of your response, without speculative liberty partial to dissonance or dereliction.
your reply doesn't seem similar or even respectful, just critical. Do you always talk to people like you're yapping about that person to yourself or wassup
Could have been a compliment, what about that?
Alright I can intellectualize things too. If you look at the contents of my message, it simply made a claim about the type, length, and detail of your response. It did not levy a characterization of the contents of your message, it simply stated that this was a very thorough and perhaps long response.
Ah, ty lowkey that was crystal clear.. why didn't you just speak autism for me to begin with
Try playing Mario next
I think about this all the time, I'm interested in language and communication as well as psychology, so language and vocabulary's effect on cognition and perception is obviously very intriguing to me. I think it has vastly more impact on us than anybody realizes, if they are even aware of it (which the average Joe can't be faulted for, how could you even be aware unless you're multilingual or read up about this kinda stuff)
Watch Arrival if you haven’t, deals exactly with this
Absolutely, vocabulary is intertwined with intelligence. The higher intelligence goes, the deeper self understanding, the deeper self understanding goes, the more we wish for extra self expression, the more we understand and express, the more we learn and grow, and our viewpoint on existence shifts. This is why one static experience, e.g. a common event, can affect so many people differently, this is why we have such a breadth of reactions and responses as humans beings.
I love your mind ❤️ beautiful viewpoint
It’s like colour, if you didn’t tell someone violet is a different shade of purple when they see violet they would just call it purple.
Very true. This same concept is taught in med school for those who have never thought/felt it b4
That's both frightening and fascinating.
Yea I tried to find the video to link it but he instantly says:"oh the ant people, they live underground"
Ha found it! https://x.com/RonyVernet/status/1722805938514427971
I remember that, they were one of the last known Amazon tribes with no/little outside contact. It was very telling, he knew EXACTLY what it was.
There is a likely chance that if there was another homonid species that lived underground this whole time, we might never have detected them, considering we mostly stick to the surface of everything.
Similar to the deepest depths of the ocean. We've been in caves, we've been all over the ocean, but the majority of caves and oceans still remain unexplored.
I don't think we give enough attention to the reality that ancient earthlings may have gone underground long ago.. it would be easy to prove too look for the giant hidden cities in the Himalayas and the Antarctic either something is there or it's not
If there was an apocalyptic event coming who would live today? The ultra rich and powerful in their super hi-tech everything. It takes thousands of people and thousands of minds to create something like a car or phone. Does everyone know how to build them from scratch? No, most can’t even harness electricity from scratch and make even a lightbulb or fire. I sure can’t! Some will, but definitely not the complex things. In this cataclysmic event out of the very little population not included on the rich’s scapegoat(let’s say the ocean) that’s left- there’d be even fewer smart people capable of recreating anything like what we have in our consumer world right now. The few smart left can reach the best they can but only with what they have only to teach what they know possible for them. -for example the old kingdom time period in Egypt which is most mysterious because during then they had the most sophisticated and precise architecture, art, etc; only to have the next generations never to be able to replicate the exact craftsmanship previously known?
Like the greedy top 1% today. They don’t give af about the rest so that why the UAP been just watching, too much effort, too much of a chance of realization by us that they just left the rest of their species to die. That’s my guess I believe some of the UFOs could be from this. Anddd probably(hopefully) stopping us idiots from nuking the planet and killing everyone including them.
So I see it quite logical to think that before a great catastrophic disaster on earth some time ago, the most powerful and smartest minds were able to escape just to have regular civilizations basically restart -while the rich had let’s say ~12500 years to evolve their tech from the pinnacle they were at then with the best minds and resources from the rich to push it forward, while we have to restart from scratch. I think the rich break off civilization is one UAP entity responsible for some of these hi-tech ships/drones. Controlled AI to build these just to make them better every time. Boom.
the ant ppl they called them I think
And there is also a lot of native lore that just isn't known at all by westerners
I think this might just be a popular trope among groups trying to push their fringe theories. I grew up in a young-earth creationist environment, and I heard this exact same story on a Ken Ham video where he was pushing the idea that dinosaurs aren't actually extinct.
Instead of aliens, it was like a plesiosaurus or something. The natives had never even heard the word "dinosaur", but as soon as they were shown a picture of one, they were like "oh yeah, that thing!" and pointed to a lake nearby where they claimed it lived.
Lot of lore for specifically interdimensional beings coming from the Abrahamic faiths, especially Islam which claims that the scripture they have has been preserved- ie not embellished by generations of peoples and traditions because of how strict the religion was about preservation from day 1, unlike the others which were simply just about getting the message out. Regardless of your modern, possibly influenced opinion on the religion in current events, one should look at all the things humans have said about beings of this nature. The concept of Jinns are fleshed out, are compatible with most if not all other cultural stories about nonhuman intelligent beings, and explains in depth behaviors, descriptions, and even some culture that coincides with what people who have been DMT-realm exploring have reported.
What podcast?
I don't know the name, it's not american or in english. The clip has been posted a zillion times in various subs this year.
13/10 would love to listen to this podcast, if you have any info please share!
Really great explanation on this, I've always thought in these terms and along various parallel though trains, this sums it up quite nicely. We also don't know if our atoms know we're a human being, nor do we as humans, (majority of) think about the atoms that make our bodies. One layer deep into physicality and we move past cells and back to energy. We (the royal we), don't think about our thoughts existing as energy, but our brains produce current, so they are. Cool thoughts!
Why do so many people claim they mess with their cameras then or zoom off as soon as someone takes their camera out? I think it’s definitely possible they just seem to want to avoid being seen
Yes and bacteria is what humans are precisely
Excellent point.
I know quite a few people who have had very obvious signs and those are only those comfortable enough to open up in private to someone who they know takes it seriously.
I think the number of people who have had signs is probably enormous. Most are in denial or afraid to admit.
Yeah afraid of being classed as crazy is an important part, or being ostracized in an anonymous forum and real life.
Dude... we don't even pick up signals from women. How the fuck we gonna pick em up from aliens.
Maybe we are just not likable.
I think that it might be against some kind of code to interfere super directly with a growing race. Perhaps you can gently push them and allow them to figure out some technology on their own and allow them to come to their own conclusion.
But directly showing up on the White House lawn might be interfering directly.
They didn't land but I think the 1952 mass sighting over the White House that was in newspapers is one of the best cases ever. My bet is there were meetings between "them" and military/government personnel who convinced "them" they spoke for all of us. And I do think they met with US officials since we had the bomb first.
Surprisingly that’s one of the cases I haven’t looked at too much. I’ll have to check it out. I agree that your perspective could potentially be the way it went down.
I really hope we get some answers soon, if not before I die. I would love for my newly born baby to live in a world with this truth not being in question.
This. Also, IMO if I were an alien I would not want to have anything to do with the human species, since we basically thrive on aggression and destruction… would an alien species really want to help us directly and enable us to export our bullshit to the universe?
That's the message the beings gave to the kids at Ariel school. The aliens conveyed messages warning about the dangers of technological advancements. They emphasized that technology, if not used responsibly, could lead to environmental destruction and a negative impact on the planet. The aliens expressed concerns that humans were becoming too dependent on technology and were losing touch with nature
Agreed. I kind of subscribe to the idea that in order to become a galaxy faring species, you have to work together in a way that would require you to be relatively peaceful. Or at least in a way that humans aren’t. Perhaps peaceful is the wrong word.
But if we band together to be able to figure out how to use the technology properly (and I think some consciousness and psychic stuff goes along with operating the craft), but if we can transcend enough to figure it out, then perhaps naturally we aren’t as threatening at that point.
But that’s a lot of spitballing.
Speculation:
A similar reason as to why good teachers give hints instead of the direct answer. They are testing us, not individually, but collectively.
Even more speculation:
Individuals are not much value to them. They can clone/genetic engineer someone to spec if they need to. But a society which shapes itself to a certain form would be much more useful. Time (at least on the human scale) is not much of a factor so they leave hints and wait for us to either become "useful" or waste away.
Humanity seems to assert their self-importance in the universe because we've believed for a very long time that we are at the apex of all things, so people think "why don't they just tell us they're here/what they are doing here/whatever?"
But humans aren't trying to explain the stock market to fireflies. Maybe the concept of their existence is so far beyond humanity's ability to conceptualize or understand, that there's no viable way to explain it. Humans are just too stubborn to realize that we are maybe not remotely able to wrap our little brains around what an interdimensional entity who can step through space-time on a plane of reality entirely outside our purview is doing with their existence.
I wonder if that's why when some of us who are particularly attuned receive messages - they come in forms we can understand or digest. For me (and others like me, including those who have had success with Gateway) that's often in the form of visual images, or intuitive claircognizance/other "para-normal" routes.
Maybe the concept of their existence is so far beyond humanity's ability to conceptualize or understand, that there's no viable way to explain it.
Maybe. But one thing that's interesting about science is that one can explain a topic multiple different ways, with varying degrees of accuracy. For example one could explain gravity as a force, or gravity as curvature, or gravity as math's.
I would imagine even if their existence is physically beyond out ability to understand, which I currently don't think is true, they should be able to tell us an analogy. Which would be inaccurate/incomplete compared to the truth but much more accurate than what we currently understand.
But maybe that's what's happening with experiencers? One thing about experiencers from my perspective is they all seems so confident with attribution (but that could be due to selection bias, and not representative of the total population) . Maybe I spend too much time thinking about geopolitics, but one of the first things I try to think about when getting new information is what is the perspective and objectives of the group whom the information came from. Especially in the context of lying/misleading by omission.
Would you mind elaborating more on what kind of messages you have received?
I like where your head is at, and a thought experiment I enjoy is considering that there are things that are above and beyond understanding in such a way that even the most rudimentary analogy available to us wouldn't be able to help us conceptualize certain things in the universe that are outside our ability to understand. You mentioned bias - isn't it bias to think that this issue couldn't possibly exist for us? That there is nothing we can't understand if explained correctly?
Maybe explanation just isn't available to us to understand as a species. Like my example of the fireflies. Let's take an animal closer to an ability to understand basic commands: a dog. Can you get your dog to understand the concept of gravity? Can you explain it in such a way, even by using an allegory that they really truly get it? Maybe you can have the dog jump off of a short pedestal. He knows he will hit the ground and will need to brace for that impact. And like you mentioned, that's such an incomplete picture that it's almost not worthy of explanation at all.
Now try to teach the same dog about black holes. How do you conceptualize that for a dog? Sure they can sit, stay, and even do a whole host of other things via learning command. They aren't stupid, there are just some things so far beyond their ability to think, learn, or know that the act of imparting that knowledge becomes (probably) an impossibility.
As, I guess what you'd call, an experiencer it's hard to relay all of the things that I've experienced in my life. I've had some bizarre experiences that before I was hip to the phenomena, I would've called paranormal in the sense that I thought they were angels, demons, or spirits. Now I have a slightly different sense of what to call them and I keep hearing the term "high strangeness" which feels more correct. It is genuinely fucking strange.
I've had experiences ranging from claircognizance to frequent and detailed lucid dreams (once I even had a crazy prophetic dream which I thought was horseshit until it happened to me,) seeing visions of entities during Gateway, having auditory experiences, physically visually seeing entities once when I was very little, and other wild experiences throughout my life (including some shared experiences) that makes me know - beyond a shadow of a doubt - that something is out there, beyond our ability to visually see it with any real regularity, and I think some people are just tapped into the weirdness.
Interesting post, thanks.
isn't it bias to think that this issue couldn't possibly exist for us? That there is nothing we can't understand if explained correctly?
Yes, very much so. Even worse, for me, its almost borderline dogmatic with no robust reasoning to back it up. Which admittedly is very far from ideal.
But if I had to defend myself I would say, how one defines "us" is very important. Especially in the context of theseus's ship.
Building off of that, it's less so that there is "nothing" that's beyond our understanding from our current perspective. And more so we have a path, maybe hidden among countless other paths, which if followed leads "us" to an eventual complete understanding.
Now try to teach the same dog about black holes.
I like the whole analogy. My counter point though would be emergence. I can't really teach a bunch of atoms anything, unless they are arranged in particular patterns. A certain arrangement allows me to teach a bunch of atoms to sit and fetch. But another arrangement allows me to teach them how to play video games.
Maybe our current arrangement is particularly useful, compared to all other arrangements on this planet. Maybe our current arrangement allows us to understand everything. Maybe not. But even if not, maybe we can alter our arrangement in such a way that it expands what we can understand.
I've had experiences ranging from claircognizance to frequent and detailed lucid dreams (once I even had a crazy prophetic dream which I thought was horseshit until it happened to me,)
I have a very close friend who claims the prophetic dream thing happens to them occasionally (very rarely to be clear) . When I found this out I "Interrogated" them and could not understand how they weren't more curious about them. Like it literally made me angry. I told them if this happened to me, I would go crazy trying to figure out how it happened and how to make it happen again. Then I had the thought, maybe that's why it's never happened to me?
I say that to say, my life experiences had shaped me to believe, not only is everything understandable, but it's our duty/responsibility to come to understand all things, no matter where that journey takes us. And maybe that's just me being a naturally curious person. But if can feel like more than just curiousity haha. Sometimes it feels akin to seeing beings which no one else can see.
An additional question if you don't mind, any thoughts on the sleep paralysis shadow figures? (I'm going to resist the urge to tell my "favorite" sleep paralysis story, but damn does asking that question made me think about it haha.)
If you can admit your bias, you can find ways to shift your perspective. Sometimes knowing our bias let's us see things clearer, I think. Being able to admit to having one being the catalyst for recognizing we could be very wrong. Not that either of us are wrong or right - maybe even varying degrees of both.
Maybe the arrangement of our atoms can understand and learn up to a point. Just like with dogs. Are you insinuating maybe the NHI or whathaveyou can re-arrange our atoms to shape us into something that can understand more/better? I think my point still stands only because the idea is that I can't shapeshift a dog into a human and give it more understanding. It just is as it is in this 3D space at this current moment in spacetime. I do have ideas about what happens to the "soul," if you will, and to the consciousness that could maybe - once one life ends and another begins - take up a different form of said arrangement-of-atoms and maybe learn or grow that way.
You and I aren't dissimilar in the aspect of curiosity and wanting to know or devour as much knowledge as we can especially about things that have happened that make almost no 3D-worldly sense, or shouldn't according to what we've been taught (which seems more and more to be lies on piles of lies.) What I can say about all the instances of prophecy I've encountered myself is that they didn't leave me without psychological struggle. It is not easy living in a space where you try to explain over and over that you knew exactly that was going to happen, just like it did and have people believe you.
Since I was little I've known things I shouldn't, experienced things other people didn't experience - or didn't experience as much - and had the ability to train my brain to do things other people didn't have half as much success with (all in the realm of the paranormal.) It scared me for a long time, and I did my best to cope. I tried to control it mostly by ignoring it, and I think I stunted myself a bit instead of flourishing. But - all things in their time.
All that to say, sometimes when these things become normal for you, you're less likely to be desperate to understand them. I can say that my episodes of claircognizance are visceral. Trying to explain that sense of knowing is like trying to explain to a person who was born blind what each individual color of the rainbow looks like. It's an impossible task, the only thing I can say about it is that it's absolutely a sense. And because of that, I was less weirded out by some things that people without that same experience might be weirded out by. Maybe your friend is like me. Attuned to something we don't understand in a way that makes those "weird" things seem so much less weird that we are more accepting of them when they happen. Not that we aren't curious - more that we have a sense that this ability, this frustratingly elusive truth comes from something no one right now can explain.
As for sleep paralysis - woah. I had my first sleep paralysis episode at age 13 and I will never forget how terrifying that was. It was so scary that when I finally shook myself awake, my arms were flailing so hard that I bruised myself on the iron bars of my bed. In all the years since, I experienced sleep paralysis with more regularity than most, I think. There have been more times than I can count. So many, that I developed my own way to get out of it. Then for a period of 7 years I was in a bad relationship and in a dark place, and I was self-medicating the fuck out of life, and a lot of the paranormalcy stopped for me. I was doing battle with my unhappiness, and it left no room for anything else. I noticed in all that time that the sleep paralysis stopped - but so did my incredibly vivid dreams, and also my ability to lucid dream on command.
Once I made it through the other side of that period of life, I started dreaming again. (I am still struggling with lucidity, but I know with time and effort it can come back. I cultivated thag ability. It was something I genuinely taught myself.) I found my way back to the world of high strangeness. I rediscovered the Gatway Experience and took to it like a duck to water.
And then I hit focus 12, had the single most terrifying sleep paralysis experience of my life, and hit the pause button as hard as I could. I needed to get off that ride for a while.
So when you say "shadow people", I've heard about this. Personally, I don't see shadow people when I experience sleep paralysis. I do see shadow people when someone close to me is going to pass away (weirdly - this is generational with the women on my mom's side, even my highly devout grandmother admitted this to me and told me her stories.) But that one time? I didn't just see shadow people. I saw a portal of bright blue.... light? Plasma? Idfk how to describe it - and a very long, pale, thin arm sticking out of it as it pulled through to the other side. The portal closed. I was internally screaming. I could not come out of it. I was screaming, thrashing, anything to get my brain and body on the same page. Nothing was working. When I finally came to, I sat and cried for an hour. I didn't sleep right for days. I couldn't sleep in my bedroom for weeks. What's worse is that I couldn't sleep almost at all, and when I did start to fall asleep I would have episodes of sleep paralysis. I turned to reddit for help. People told me their take, and at some point I tried the only thing I hadn't, which was meeting it with love and understanding instead of fear.
It was terrifying, but I couldn't think to do anything else. There was nothing else available to me. I just had to try. So I did. And I am grateful beyond words to whoever told me that, to whatever kind stranger bestowed that on me. For whatever reason, it worked. I guess, never underestimate the power of love and understanding. Weird hack, but defining not knocking it.
Not sorry for the novella, I've kept all this pent up my whole life and I'm starting to see more people discussing it so I kind of slowly let these things out of the bag. Some things I'm more open to sharing than others. Some experiences I've only told one or two people, some I've never shared at all. So if you want to share about this shadow people thing, I'm interested.
I do think the phenomena probably shows up differently for everyone, and in some ways the same. I'm always open to hearing people's experiences, because I know I'd want people to meet me with the same sort of interest. Even if people are skeptical (and I mean, fair enough - but these are literally my lived experiences) just listening is a great way to begin challenging those biases we discussed.
I appreciate the "novella"! I have been told to "get to the point" a lot in my life, because I like a robust exchange of ideas haha.
Sometimes knowing our bias let's us see things clearer, I think.
I totally agree. I think part of my zealotry for understanding stems from the fear that I am holding unknown biases, which if I could discover would totally change how I view things. Especially in a way in which I discover something that I was doing that I thought was "good" was actually "bad"
Are you insinuating maybe the NHI or whathaveyou can re-arrange our atoms to shape us into something that can understand more/better?
Not exactly. Just that we have used technology since forever to extend our abilities. Spears made us better fighters/hunters, books allowed us to transfer knowledge to each other much more effectively for example. With things like neuralink, brain computer interfaces will eventually be a thing. Who knows how that will end up enhancing our ability to understand. Also technologies like meditation, is there more for us to discover there? What about combining mediation with things like BCI's. Between pace makers and glasses, many people are already cyborgs in a way. My point was there seems to be a huge potential for growth for us still. And I don't want to think about our limits until we have gotten much closer to maxing out our potential.
take up a different form of said arrangement-of-atoms and maybe learn or grow that way.
I might want to circle back to this if the opportunity arises
It is not easy living in a space where you try to explain over and over that you knew exactly that was going to happen, just like it did and have people believe you.
That's not a thing people , or at least me, thinks about a lot as an experience someone can have. Empathy (in the sense of understanding others experience) can be challenging.
Also, as a person who thinks determinism makes more sense than non determinism, thus who doesn't believe in free will, I have questions. But will refrain (unless you don't mind). I'll say they mainly revolve around me thinking about what it would be like for a consciousness like ours to have an experience or knowledge of being in a determined loop, for lack of a better phrase.
(all in the realm of the paranormal.)
Remote viewing an example?
All that to say, sometimes when these things become normal for you, you're less likely to be desperate to understand them.
Idk if this applies to me haha. What I could say is, I understand the feeling of not feeling like a thing needs an explanation because it feels so normal or mundane. (tho maybe that's exactly what you are saying)
Not that we aren't curious
I wasn't trying to imply either of you weren't curious (I hope I didn't say that). More that, based on my experience with people I know, I have noticed I'm absurdly curious.
something no one right now can explain.
An idea that's both incredibly frustrating and incredibly exciting from my perspective.
and I was self-medicating the fuck out of life,
Can relate to the struggle. Sorry for the bad situation
I was doing battle with my unhappiness, and it left no room for anything else. I noticed in all that time that the sleep paralysis stopped - but so did my incredibly vivid dreams, and also my ability to lucid dream on command.
Thats an interesting connection to consider.
I would not say I can lucid dream. But occasionally I would transition to a point in certain dreams when I became kinda aware I was dreaming, which allowed me more control over them.
I also used to dream a lot, idk about the vividness, hard for me to guage without seeing others dreams haha. But then I had a few years where I pretty much stopped dreaming (or remembering them) . I was actually pretty bummed about it. I went back and forth about whether it was due to getting older or something was wrong/off. But recently they came back, which is dope. Your comment makes we want to think about that more.
I cultivated thag ability. It was something I genuinely taught myself.
Thags pretty cool btw.
I rediscovered the Gatway Experience and took to it like a duck to water.... I do see shadow people when someone close to me is going to pass away
Again, questions if the opportunity arises
and a very long, pale, thin arm sticking out of it as it pulled through to the other side. The portal closed. I was internally screaming. I could not come out of it.
Yo. That's sounds traumatic AF. Like wholly crap. That's beyond wild.
when I did start to fall asleep I would have episodes of sleep paralysis.
Crazy double whammy
meeting it with love and understanding instead of fear.
I have gotten the exact same advice from reddit regarding sleep paralysis /shadow figures. For me, not easy to do in the moment. But I didn't really practice nor have I had the opportunity to try it that often.
I guess, never underestimate the power of love and understanding.
I definitely believe the understanding part is true. I really want the love part to be true.
I've kept all this pent up my whole life
Well I'm glad you have found opportunities to express yourself.
I often feel the dual pull of really wanting to communicate my idea/experiences with others, but also being hesitant to due to fear of mistranslation, etc.
So when people find the opportunity to share more, and others receptive to hear it. I feel like that moves the world towards a better place. (naive and corny, I know .)
Even if people are skeptical
I do try to remain skeptical of as many things as possible, partly from the science background in me. But that also means being skeptical of people saying someone didn't experience a thing they adamantly believe they experienced. But yea, our bias literally shape so much of how we see the world.
Happy cake day. Sorry I disappeared. Gonna read your other comment and send a dm so we can continue our talk (:
Thanks, didn't even realize it was cake day. Looking forward to your response!
Surprise! Check yer chatbox.
So if you want to share about this shadow people thing, I'm interested.
I'll take you up on that offer, but it's not about shadow people.
I have had sleep paralysis probably less than 30 times but more than 15. With seeing shadow figures somewhere between half and a quarter of the time.
But that's not the main event.
But some background, I had recently heard of Grusch, so started looking into UAPs, eventually came across remote viewing.
Figured the best way to falsify it was to try it myself. The initial results surprised me a lot. I thought I would get bored AF trying for a month or so to make sure nothing happened. Yet I quickly transitioned to, how long can I replicate and refine this.
I also saw a bunch of comments about people saying, if RV is real why don't people use it for disclosure? So I figured why not. Let me try to RV one of those facilities which I occasionally see people say, don't try to RV.
Not that I'm 100% sold on this, but I feel like because I think I have aphantasia, my RV is very different from how I hear people describe it. So when I tried it, what I experienced was kinda interesting but mostly inconclusive.
Now to the part.
That night/early morning, I woke up to a siren (there is a fire station near me). I remember it going on for a long while. So much so that I went on this whole mental spiral about how shitty it would be to have your house burn down so close to Christmas. Also someone else confirmed they heard the same siren that night /morning so I'm pretty sure that wasn't a dream.
Eventually I'm like I need to go back to sleep because I have brunch in the morning. I go adjust myself to fall back asleep when I notice a bright square symbol on my wall. I was very confused, I have never seen this kinda reflection before. Idk how that angle is possible. It's dark AF outside so idk where the light is coming from.
So naturally I'm like, I should look at it to try and figure stuff out. That's when I notice I can't move. I also can't hear the siren nor my fan. Nor can I see. I have never gone to sleep paralysis that fast or in that fashion.
So my brain does go to the RV attempt from the morning. I legit think, am I getting psychic attacked? (Lmao) Which does make me a bit concerned. So I fight hard AF to get out of it. Eventually I do, but as I do/right before, I get this sensation of body discomfort, my heart starts racing like crazy and I start to sweat like I just finished a marathon. But all that last for a few seconds max.
Then I can move. I can see. I can hear both the fan and siren. I'm very very confused. I write down what happened. And after about a half hour I go back to sleep.
I'm a little freaked out at brunch so I decide to barely drink anything. Same for the after action. Maybe like four drinks max over 8 hours. I can easily do way more than that for just brunch. Yet still end of the night I'm feeling messed up. Like more than drunk even though I shouldn't not be at all drunk.
I end up getting in an argument with a sibling over... Idk. Like I remember arguing, but I also remember thinking, why am I arguing? What am I even arguing about? I feel like shit. Why can't I stop? It was bizarre.
Maybe two unrelated events very possible. Maybe the alcohol hit way way way harder than I expected. Maybe I was roofied. All possible I guess.
But as dumb as it sounds. And I know it sounds dumb. But I felt like that was a warning. Like the sleep paralysis and my condition that night were connected. Like someone/thing was like, don't try to RV that location again. We will know. We can get to you. We can influence you actions.
Very dumb thought.
But still that sensation of seeing the light, then losing the ability to hear and move and see right as I go to look at it. It's so abnormal from all previous experiences. Its bizarre to say the least.
It's one of those things I really want to talk about. But idk what talking about it will actually accomplish. Thanks for listening (reading) though.
They do, but the media is owned and manipulated, all the decision makers at the New York Times Reuters, bbc, etc are on government payroll
every mass sighting such as the phoenix lights, military base sightings would be enough for everyone to believe if they were reported on truthfully by news outlets, I’ll give an example not believing such a thing happened if it was reported truthfully and accurately would be like not believing the Olympics happened in a city just because it didn’t happen at the time you were there.
I'm not really buying this explanation. If they landed on the field in the middle of the Superbowl, it would be tough to hide that even if you wanted to. Ditto any large live televised event of any kind anywhere on the planet, including the Olympics.
You will have a shit ton of people saying it's fake or a psyop or "AI" since that's the new buzzword.
Drones and Swamp Gas. Drones are the new swamp gas. But there have literally been mass sightings reported on, and people "don't believe" still. The moon landing was well reported on and people still "don't believe." Nothing different.
even then people would not believe it
It didn't land but we literally had a UFO broadcast nationally during a Cowboys - Steelers game lol
Too subject to that whole "nah, it's just a kite/weather balloon / Starlink satellite" factor. Not nearly the same thing as landing at the 50 yard line and having NHIs get out in full view of live camera feeds from around the world.
Isn't that just a part of this though? So many sightings can be explained away by things that kind of resemble them. I'm not saying this wasn't a kite, but that's legitimately all that Mick West does. He finds things that look similar to things in videos and says, "case closed, this is what it is".
this is really the answer to the question 💯
In principle yes, but not entirely correct.
From what I have gathered there are contracts in place that prevent open contact for now. Phoenix was a rogue operation that wasn't supposed to happen on that scale.
What’s the sauce? I’d like to read some stuff if you know some stuff
Probably liquor...
That's the sauce. He's looking for the source :)
The same reason I don’t pop out to my garden and announce my existence to the squirrels.
The same reason I don’t pop out to my garden and announce my existence to the squirrels.
If squirrels were aware of God, developed astronomy, developed calculus, developed nuclear weapons, built nuclear reactors, turned sand into computing machines, flew to the moon and back, flew robots to Mars and to or by every other major body in the stellar system, you wouldn't announce yourself to them???
Nope, I would make documentaries about how awesome the squirrel beings in my garden were and how they related to the mole beings in the garden across from me. Interacting with them would mess up their path and the only unique things in the universe are the art and artefacts that the squirrel people and their analogues made.
Yeah this is what I don't get about this argument people keep throwing out.
"WOULD YOU TALK TO AN ANT HILL??"
Probably not, but then again an ant hill doesn't have abstract thought, they aren't making art or advancing tech. They've been like that for millions of years.
Same with squirrels, dude show me the Leonardo da Vinci version of a squirrel. What? There's none? Oh yeah they just collect nuts and don't try to think past their next meal and beyond.
Yep, exactly. They want to act like we don't talk to squirrels or ants or whatever because they're not us, or that just by posing the question, they have said something profound while in reality it's the opposite - the lowest trench of idiocy.
Humans are sapient and sentient. Animals are not, and ants are only a hive collective which is even a lower level of instinct.
THAT'S why we don't talk to them.
It stands to reason that an interstellar species would recognize sentience and sapience.
Ants make marvelous creations, but it's only instinct - let's circle back to "Do you talk to ants" when they've scheduled their moonshot or at least show that they've developed calculus OR astronomy.
How would it benefit them?
Humans are dumb and violent? Our military shoots at them, who knows how many rednecks have fired on them as well. But there have been millions of sightings by everyday people, these seem to qualify as letting the common person know, in many cases. The UFO parade over the White House in 1952 that was widely reported in newspapers should've done it, they probably said "eff it" after that didn't work.
Also you'd think the 10-28-79 UFO broadcast nationally during a Cowboys - Steelers game would have some cultural impact, but it's also mostly forgotten.
I've seen those photos of the Battle of Los Angeles and I can see why aliens seem scared of us. And most countries have nukes now that can destroy any sentient being.
People get karma, synchronicity, deja vu, crazy coincidences, and religious messages all the time. How do you know this can't be chalked up to aliens or light beings?
Have you met or dealt with the everyday person? I avoid them as well. 🥴
It's easier to control slaves when they don't know they are slaves.
"a puppet is free as long as it loves its strings"
people just choose to ignore
I guess that all depends upon your definition of what you believe to be "an obvious sign". You didn't bother to define or provide examples of what that might be. And why would you think that is something that they should even be concerned with or part of their agenda? How would that help either the rest of us or them? What would be their purpose?
That reminds me of the story of the guy who was in a flood and sitting on the roof of his house as the waters rose up. He prayed to God for help. And as he waited, someone in a boat passed by and asked him to jump in, but he refused saying that he was waiting for God to save him. And the waters continued to rise.
Next a helicopter passed by and shouted down to him, get in the basket, but he waved them off saying he was waiting on God.
And finally he drowned and asked God why did you not show me a sign and save me. God said, I sent you a boat and then a helicopter, what more were you expecting?
Either they did showup in the past and saw the consequences of that. Or they are very evasive in nature like the cryptid creatures we have here on earth.
They have. They even mutilate them in the process.
Considering their alien, it's entirely possible they don't understand or care what we do or think, imagine getting out of your car and trying to explain physics to a turtle crossing the road.
It's possible they're some type of hive species that can't understand how we are all unique and have our own thoughts and desires.
When considering an alien we should be cautious about applying any human qualities to them.
For example, considering they have advanced physics, they could be moving through space and time, and anything that happens here is of no consequence to them.
All of your assumptions about society and life change radiaiclly if you're experiencing time non-linneraly.
imagine getting out of your car and trying to explain physics to a turtle crossing the road.
Because turtles are aware of God, developed astronomy, developed calculus, developed nuclear weapons, built nuclear reactors, turned sand into computing machines, flew to the moon and back, flew robots to Mars and to or by every other major body in the stellar system?
When is the next turtle satellite deployment launch scheduled for?
I don't understand what you're trying to communicate
Imo they do, and people are in denial about it.
They've certainly let me know with no room for doubt.
They’re heeee-ere
I suggest a review of the many cases available, going back decades or more.
Because they have an agenda.. and it's not a good thing for us!
See Jesus: A lesson in why you maybe should not announce yourself...
i hope they give us four day work weeks.
short answer - we're owned by other aliens that are good at hiding
Lot of lore for specifically interdimensional beings coming from the Abrahamic faiths, especially Islam which claims that the scripture they have has been preserved- ie not embellished by generations of peoples and traditions because of how strict the religion was about preservation from day 1, unlike the others which were simply just about getting the message out. Regardless of your modern, possibly influenced opinion on the religion in current events, one should look at all the things humans have said about beings of this nature. The concept of Jinns are fleshed out, are compatible with most if not all other cultural stories about nonhuman intelligent beings, and explains in depth behaviors, descriptions, and even some culture that coincides with what people who have been DMT-realm exploring have reported.
Interesting take
I’ve thought about this and came up with two reasons that make sense to me.
They don’t exist. If they don’t exist then we obviously won’t have any signs from them.
They do exist. And they aren’t interested in communicating with us.
I think this might be controversial because obviously there may be a gray area to consider. But to me, if they have the technology needed to traverse space time or dimensions or whatever, then they certainly have the ability to give the general public a sign they’re here. While it’s tempting for me to consider other possibilities: colluding with government officials, or perhaps some sort of ancient agreement that on x date they’ll announce their presence- the more I consider it the more it doesn’t really make sense. Seems more the stuff of movies than reality.
For the second option , I can’t help but think of that tribe that chooses to remain hidden on a remote island. They don’t care to talk to outsiders. They don’t care to assimilate or adapt to our world. They may be aware there are others. But it doesn’t mean much to them.
Or when we study a particular species. We don’t interfere. We’re just there to observe.
That's the thing. Our solar system is a grain of sand in an ocean of a universe. Also, I saw a video on this the other day that changed my perspective. Let's say by some small ass chance the nearest planet with advanced life that could reach us and fuck with us was 65 light years away. They look at earth, and they would see world war 2. There may be advanced civilizations looking at us right now, but they see the dinosaurs. Nothing is close enough that we've found that would let an alien race see us as we are now, unless they were here. So what part of earths history did they see at first that made them want to check it out?
god: afk
humans: god give us a sign
humans: aliens give us a sign
humans: make ai while waiting
humans: leave chat
server: offline
Our gov convinced them they spoke for us.
Uhh because perhaps they have experienced it before? I for one would be a little pissed off to know something was watching me like a lab rat while I scratched my ass and picked my nose when I thought I was alone. Definitely makes you question what level of respect they apply to humanity if any at all.
I think if you look at the huge number of sightings, encounters of every kind you'd likely see that the vast number of cases do involve regular people. Ignoring the military cases and the smaller number of celebrity/presidential reports...if Aliens are intentionally showing themselves, it's to us...the public.
It’s easy for some of them not for all of them. Not a “good” example but one nonetheless. Think about the Senegalese people on their island. They know next to nothing about the outside world. We “COULD” visit them, but unless I owned a plane or an amazing boat and could guarantee my safety, there’s no way in hell I’m going. I’d assume not every alien has a ufo, and those that do just aren’t really “allowed” to.
Idk who makes the rules. I just don’t think for the majority of aliens, it’s easy to just show up here… and the ones that do are clearly few and far between. It’s like the Senegalese looking at our planes. Yes we past by their airspace a lot. Yes they can barely see us and don’t know what we are.
Maybe they've been banned from mingling with mankind like they did in the days of ancient Sumer, ancient Egypt, ancient Jerusalem.
No they don't live inside of the Earth but they do travel there and have travel there since the dawning of the Earth. Even the ancient Sumerians wrote of them flying their crafts into the Earth as well as into the sea. These modern day sightings in mountainous areas, off the coasts, eyewitnesses have seen them going in and out of mountains, volcanoes, oceans, and huge lakes. They may actually be monitoring the Earth and keeping it intact after all they are probably the creators.
Got a blister from the in-store trial overwatered something and the sad thing is when they are allowed to begin to mingle with mankind again, the Earth may just be close to coming to an end.
Because they have an easier time manipulating us if we don't believe they're doing it
If they are here then being hidden is to their advantage.
Because you’re unable to take it and most of your minds would descend into madness.
Maybe they have no interest in the everyday person because they don’t see us an individuals but a hive mind organism.
Or maybe they are right infront of us everyday right under our nose and we are unable to see what’s right infront of us
Multiple stories about the edwards airbase agreement. Basic jist? If you expose yourself to the public, threaten our status quo and political power. We will glass the planet. Full stop. We are being held captive by psychopaths.
The people who were abducted would demand war
I mean...my wife and I saw a boomerang UAP. I consider that my own personal disclosure (personally believe that they know when we can see them and they don't show themselves unless it's intentional)
A few ideas:
1) they are not here - whatever the phenomena is, is just a byproduct of them (probes/drones, but they aren’t actually here either because they are far away or are extinct, or can’t exist in our reality for whatever reason).
2) they don’t actually care about us at all, and are more interested in earth generally.
3) we’re an experiment or being studied and they don’t want to mess with the data or influence our trajectory too much.
4) they are just as ignorant to us as we are to them, their perception is limited and they don’t know much either.
5) they can’t for diplomatic reasons (agreement with other species not to interfere, or with our government)
6) they can’t because it would be harmful to us, like the guy who died carrying the Varghina alien.
Has to do with the universal law of free will.
I don’t think they give a shit about announcing themselves. Do you announce yourself to uncontacted tribes?
Would you go out of your way to make yourself known to ants? How about an animal that is aggressive and ignorant, would you go out of your way to make yourself known? Makes the most sense to me they just don't find us that interesting or unique in a cosmos that is full of life. At best they would study us discreetly like we do other animals to learn about them with the least risk to themselves.
We are amoebas to them. Try to talk and interact with one you see what i mean.
I'd say by the amount of random sightings recently, myself included, all over the world, they are. 🇬🇧
Easier to control us if we don't know they are there
It is easier to control everyone when you manipulate a few key people.
Law of One covers this. They say that it’s against the rules to infringe upon free will. Also they say that they have interfered in the past and the message was distorted so they take another approach now which is only reach out to people when someone calls for that. They do it in a form of dreams or more subtle ways instead of appearing physically.
All I can simply express is that they told me, “you’re not ready yet”. The only words I can remember anymore. I am not sure if they meant me or humanity.
It’s either they try not to interact with other evolving life like we do in like nature reserves etc, or they are simply so indifferent they don’t care.
Because we don't have definitive proof or know that we've actually made contact with them
America is the wealthiest and most advanced civilization ever. We're currently arguing if a shot sandwich or a ball of lint should lead us. Do you really think am advanced species think we can handle THAT if we're ready to kill each other to prove "our old, senile gut is better?"
Maybe they would view us as the equivalent of ants.
Maybe we need special glasses like in "They Live."
When folks ask this about God the usual response is "Mysterious Ways" , "Freewill" or "Does not Exist"
Because they don’t exist. Or rather, they are not currently and have never, visited Earth.
I like to think they simply don't care?
Because people will try to compete
They literally do all the time, we just called the people they do it to insane. Schizophrenia diagnoses has gone up 700% in the 21st century. I would argue that's far too large a percentage jump to be caused by the passing of genetic traits.
Aliens: “here we are”
Humans: “FAKE”
We are not important enough.
Because we can’t cooperate
Maybe just maybe humans are very disrespectful and rude to aliens, and they probably don't like the violence too
Keepers of the Garden by Delores Cannon and The Invisible College by Jaques Vallee will answer that question.
I feel like our lifespans could be really short compared to theirs. Why bother to say hello when we are all gonna die in relatively short amount of time? What if they have seen human civilizations rise and fall in what they perceive is a few months…
Like scientists watching bacterial colonies grow in a Petri dish. Some bacteria have a life span of 20minutes but still form colonies
Don’t mess with the labor force.
Many "everyday people" can't even get past their differences in skin color, religion, and politics, just to name a few. I wouldn't reveal myself either.
millions of people have eye witness accounts including myself you just choose not to listen
I guess the strange lights in the sky aren’t enough huh!!
We don’t go around telling every shark that they are not alone on the planet, we just pluck random ones out, tag them, study them, and then track them the rest of their lives. As above, so below.
They know we have too many problems already.
Probably because they are awkward and clueless nerds.
Why don't doctors tell patients they've received a placebo during a clinical trial?
Lol, because they probably are not here?
If you were in a forest and you saw a group of everyday bears in the distance, would you give them an obvious sign that you exist? It probably wouldn't go well for you.
Humans even have a history of ganging up and harming/killing each other over insignificant differences, so maybe the aliens know better than to mingle with the monsters that everyday humans are capable of being.
What do you think crop circles are? Seriously?
They give me plenty of signs look up
They dont care
its all about frequency.
"meet me half way"
you dont want to visit a dog that will bite you because its afraid.
you wait until it will love itself then you will meet with it.
you wont jump in a gorilla cage expecting it to love you that you allready know it will kill strangers.
Start meditating at night with the intention of “meeting benevolent beings of love and light” and feel that love and feel that light and sent that out into the sky.
I know it sounds like woo woo hippie nonsense but it’s true. You just have to belive in it.
Don’t ask me on how the physics works I haven’t the slightest clue. I think it’s because we are fundamentally all connected as one. And our physical selves are just excitations of this one fundamental feild.
Idk QFT or something.
Because they don’t fuckin’ exist.
I think its because they are really self-conscious about being ugly and humans are a radiantly sexy species!
Like, no matter what technology you pull out of your hat, Im not fucking you unless your mega hot. All these little Gray Big-heads, reptilian or mantis beings, NO colored eyes, and barely any muscle mass... Who would want to bed down with a little slimy gray twink with oversized eyes?! Not anyone, that's who.
Fast forward to some Chad in LA pulling up in a lamborghini with an opened button down shirt exposing his abs and silver chains next to an alien and says "Nice spaceship, Nerd!" before peeling out and driving away.
No matter what, humans will always have 1-up with regards to our specific culture and overall aesthetic. We are gorgeous and have beautiful physical features. Aliens do NOT.
Lmao this take is amazing.
Im to sexy for the borg, too sexy for the borg, so sexy it huuuurts!
We are their mining colony, a weapons depot and they have no intention of sharing the universe with us
Do you find it necessary to say hello to the every day ant if you find an ant hill?
If ants were aware of God, developed astronomy, developed calculus, developed nuclear weapons, built nuclear reactors, turned sand into computing machines, flew to the moon and back, flew robots to Mars and to or by every other major body in the stellar system, YOU BET I WOULD!
You wouldn't???
Do you make your presence known for every rolly polly you come across?
I think it's entirely possible they don't think highly of us or think of us at all. We're just slightly advanced monkeys hurling explosives at each other.
Economic / Spiritual / societal Collapse
There is absolutely no provable reason to even remotely suppose that disclosure, or contacting Humanity, has anything to do with any particular Alien race’s desires or itinerary.
Aliens are not under any obligation to reveal their existence to anybody. They don’t owe us any explanations, favors, formal introductions … or, anything else at all for that matter. They know that whether they reveal themselves to the everyday person, or not: Humanity isn't anyone else's responsibility.
Consequently, it is probably fairly safe to say that Aliens don’t really care about our wants, our needs, our artificial intelligence, or our society as a whole … no less, our interest in 'them”.
Why didn’t that hazmat suit people in westworld
This isn't religion, lmao. What makes you think you even matter to them? How did you get so entitled to the point where you expect aliens to be doing something for you?
Some of you really need to get outside more. There isn't proof of anything yet, and some of you are wondering why aliens aren't catering to you. Fuck me, that's a good enough reason for any intelligent being to want to stay away.
I don't want 99% of normal humans to know I exist because people are psycho and dangerous and awful in general...now imagine how a potentially psychic, super-intelligent being feels. Not only the potential harm to the alien being would be a preventing factor, but the potential harm to humans freaking out and becoming traumatized or other things happening, like economic collapse if people knew about alternative energy could be preventing disclosure too
Because people are panicky in groups and if they are influenced by seeing beings it blows their little minds.
The individual is an intelligent "animal". Animal meaning they also have a chance to lose their little minds. We are preformed to not be able to understand the universe in the same way aliens are.
Look at this dummy 😵💫
Their experiment relies on the subjects not knowing they're in an experiment. Our knowledge would taint their results and they'd have to toss the whole thing out and start over.
They do. We just forget about our encounters with them
Have you seen us? Would you go to New Guinea and let them know we have technology? We are so buys killing each other they prob don't want to be nowhere near us
What if they are very minute and cant seen by our naked eye? We dont see viruses and bacteria but they exist. We dont see a lot of things, but we can feel and hear them. Our senses probably haven't developed or evolved yet to magnify their presence?
Because Earth is in the equivalent of their backyard and we aren't special or otherwise any desire on our part for interaction isn't relevant to them. For example, do you have any real interest in establishing contact with the queen of the ant colony in your backyard, much less the individual ants.
Never
They don't care to, they're not allowed to, they're afraid to, they try but we literally can't observe them in any intelligible way with our current tech/biology, or all four of these.
Becuase they aren't here to staitisfy your curiousity. 🤣
That's like saying, "why doesn't Taylor swift acknowledge all my messages."
Because they sneak asf
I think about how we treat ancient civilisations/lost tribes (eg Amazon/Sentinal Island). We observe from a distance and try not to to interfere or interact.
Our planes and drones must confuse them. Like ufos...
Maybe they do and everyone just says it's fake
If I was an alien in the classic depiction of it, I just would do my research and go, since I know that it would be like showing a kid my phone and right away, the kids would want my phone and tell me what to do, like he owns me or something.
To me there's nothing relevant about trying to show a lower being about the way of life of the species of origin.
If aliens wanted, they would just wipe out every single organism that is standing in their way, and just do whatever, but they don't, because humanity doesn't have anything that gives them a reason to fear us. If we try, it's over.
However it might also be the aliens that are here, are on what is limited resources for them, so they can't fully expand in their respective fashion, so they investigate like a biologist, and don't really bother.
Also if you're smart, sometimes it's best that you don't mention to an everyday person, facts that don't have to be that big, but would make you not sleep at night.
The same applies to alien life. Whatever they would show, to most people, it's just a solid no.
If they did would we believe it though
What makes someone an everyday person ?
They either don't want us to know or don't care.
For all we know they may be shouting in our faces every day but we don't see/hear them.
Surely, deception is only maintained for means of exploitation but who knows…
Because they don’t want to.
They might simply be very delicious
They need you to go through spiritual enlightenment. I was able to receive confimations from them. But this was after a long time of thinking about them & wondering. I had gotten severely beaten up, was homeless, & finally gave up & went in to rehab. While there out in a field by myself I was practicing on having a telepathic relationship with who ever is up in the sky & is paying attention to me (Jesu Christ, God, Angles, Aliens,). I was by myself & looking up in the afternoon clear blue sky, & I had thought, & maybe also said out loud "it would be nice to have a sign, or something". 2 seconds after thinking/saying that, a very fast white object flew across the sky making a white trail 4x its length.
Immediately I knew what had happened & said "thank you."
My life truly has been saved & I thank them (& myself for getting sober & no more sinning, & dealing with traumatic karmic debt), prayer is huge & works... what ever it is, telepathic you controlling life, or God, or Aliens. Personally, I believe absolutely in the one infinite creator God, that is for sure.
I also am at the understanding that things like Big Foot, alien's, ghost, demons, fairy's & skinwalkers ect. are all things that can be found on this strange planet.
They do, you're not listening. Quantum Physics is real, learn to meditate, open your mind.
try ce5 and see
Global Disclosure--an event that millions of people can witness to finally get everyone on the same page--should take care of that, if they ever decide to stop scratching their alien balls
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