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What do you think of the "Multiverse Theory" and if it is related to the NHI
DiscussionThere are different multiverse ideas.
The Many Worlds interpretation of QM. Basically just suggesting that many different probabilistic outcomes all happen but split into different universes/worlds. Or rather; that you only consciously follow one path in it as a continuous identity. (This is the Rick n’ Morty concept you mentioned)
Eternal Inflation Bubble Universes, which suggests the properties of physics are not constant over very large distances but random; thus forming bubbles of physically similar universes that split off continuously. (Probably what your image means to envision)
Multiverses as an explanation to our Fine Tuned Universe. Just suggests it makes better sense that our own universe has such perfect constants and numbers for matter and life if we are part of a large collection of random universes where most of them don’t have properties like ours.
Edit: I don’t know if most of the upvotes here are “I know and I agree” or “Cool!, I learned something”, but in case of the latter, and the seemingly large interest in this I feel I should recommend some sources for a more detailed orientation: Sean Carrol is a proponent of the Many Worlds and talks often and informatively on various channels about it. Andre Linde is basically behind the Bubble Universes ideas in collaboration with Allan Guth(inflationary theory). The Fine Tuned Universe, I can’t really pinpoint a person but it comes up often in cosmology debates. If you search for any of these in junction with ‘multiverse’ and; Science Festival, Royal Institute of Science, or even PBS Space-Time, you will find many good, sometimes long, youtube streams on these topics.
It should also be said that these three ideas are not mutually exclusive to each other and could all be true at the same time. Multiverses within multiverses so to speak. And of course neither could be true too
Awesome and brief description thanks!
Very elegant indeed
They’re a witch!!! Burn ‘em!!!
She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
I got better
Does she weigh the same as a duck by chance?
Very well said!
I think that when we dream we teleport to different consciousness
If that is true... then there is a dinosaur-bulldozer hybrid destroying my grandmother's house (in the multiverse). Also, Beetlejuice worms are real (in the multiverse). My high school best friend stabbed me 20+ times, chased me through hallways, cornered me, but I broke his neck in desperation (in the multiverve).
Also, birds have arms. Lizards have 20 legs, fish walk on land, and I can breathe underwater (but only for the first 30 minutes). Blue is actually the color red and it's the government agenda that has convinced us that red actually exists, and there are also 100 more colors.
Also, I have made extremely sensual love to Dua Lipa.
Those are all true stories about my dreams. I cannot accept that it is all alternate consciousness.
Lol I loved this
Dont forget the part where you made dwayne johnson your biatchh and made him drop berries from his mouth to yours…..
If you consider how big the universe is, multiply it by infinity then multiply that with another infinite number different variants of multiverses, then yeah all of that is possible lol no matter how crazy it seems lol
Not really. Even in an infinite universe, not everything imaginable will happen. For example, there are an infinite amount of numbers between 1 and 2. But none of those numbers are larger than 2, because it's just not possible.
Disagree. I'm pretty sure many physicists agree that anything we are able to imagine in our minds could in fact exist in this reality. Basically, nothing is impossible
"pretty sure" huh? Can't argue with that.
Yeah do the research yourself if you disagree lol
Classic. You claim there are many physicists who believe this, so I'm sure you must have a statement or article from at least one of them, right? Or at least point me in the right direction. "Do your own research" is just a cop out.
As I said I'm pretty sure lol. Meaning I'm not certain. At this point it might just be a philosophical point of view but still merited. Might have seen some physicists discussing it in a podcast but I'm drawing a black right now.
Did you know that female hyenas have a “psuedo-penis” and that it cannot accommodate giving birth so their first is always still born? That exists so yeah.
I cant believe that this post got 82 upvotes
I do . I’ve long since accepted there is no thinking, critical or otherwise amongst a large percentage in this community.
Lol you have to believe MORE
then why am i always stuck on the dirty or broken toilet universe? you know, the universe where every toilet is unusable no matter how many you find?
And deja vu are temporary synchronicities
Have you ever had deja vu where everything is the same except one small detail? It’s trippy
Precisely. I've experienced way too many instances of synchronicities in waking life for it just to be random coincidences. Something's going on
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Should’ve used a gif from Deja Vu.
I tried…couldn’t get one
So there's a version of our universe that's slightly ahead in time?
That's literally just normal reality.
Light travels faster than your brain operates, particles and entropy travel faster than you can perceive.
The entire world around you is moving faster than your brain can comprehend.
By the time your visual cortex picks up the information, sends it to your brain, has your brain translate and decode the information, And then forms an opinion on the information decoded.
You are already living in the past compared to the lightning fast photonic beings around you.
perceptual lag of every human mind is kinda wild, like our brains are making this color television version, when the reality is happening milliseconds earlier in Ring Of Power-filter epicness
The brain compensates by using the already old 'out of sync'-data it constantly works with, to pre-calculate the current situation.
This may be the reason why you can catch a falling object (most of the time), even if the brain is mostly occupied by other tasks at hand.
Hahaha nice
I saw my mother in a dream last week. I hugged her and cried in her arms. She’s been dead from cancer since 2011.
I've been saying this for years! Makes a lot of sense to me anyway
Oh no, how many more times will I turn up at work wearing just my underwear and then get stranded in town with no money to get home in that other consciousness?
I belive it, I've had dreams that were near lifetimes, and then wake really confused.
Yeah I've experienced weeks and months in a couple. The vividness of some instances is what really freaks me out when I awake lol
I never understood that, and you wake up feeling like it was reality and it sometimes can take awhile before your brain accepts it was only a dream.
Me too I have used tools and devices similar to ours such as smartphones and computers and even drive cars. Heck I even went to work on that universe lol
I remember using something like smart phones we have but slightly different. Like tech that we wouldn't make in this universe
Yeah all instruments make sense but they are not from here
It's a nice theory, but consciousness is not what you believe it to be.
Consciousness is not your human brain. You don't need to be smart to be conscious.
What if I told you even a rock or a silver spoon could be conscious to an extent?
Could be that there are different levels of consciousness. Since we don't even fully or even partially understand what consciousness really is. Where it comes from just what it does. So We just label it as such. Then you have the subconscious. Personally I see the Spirit and consciousness as one. As at least part of what makes up our spirit. But I wouldn't say a spoon has the same consciousness as an ant lol.
But I wouldn't say a spoon has the same consciousness as an ant lol.
Agreed. Seems to me that the quarks and electrons that make up that spoon would have more consciousness than the spoon itself.
I do when I dream.
I dont know. The fact that I can urinate ten times in a row without feeling the slightest relief in a dream indicates that dreams and physical reality are two separate things.
But that doesn't rule out reality being an illusion. In fact, some experiments show that our consciousness is delayed and has limited bandwidth.
Nah, it's just your brain acting as a quantum radio receiver because of lack of stimulation.
Notice how it's usually the other side of the world if it's daytime but nearby if it's night?
The transmissions seem real time imo. I wonder who's tuning in to me now. From a timeline without the internet or smartphones seeing me use this seemingly alien technology.
We are too primitive to explore the universe, that's the only reason why we haven't discovered other beings.
I agree. We’re nearly breaking the surface to the iceberg of space. We may have the concepts already based on things people have studied and probably visited by the entities themselves to be able to have media and such things in studies of it.
Barely breaking the surface*
If we live in a multiverse, and ufos travel not to other planets but just to alternate Earths, it would at least explain the multitudes of completely different bipedal humanoids that experiencers have reported in ufo lore.
It might even make sense of some of the specific types of NHI seen. For instance, the earth has gone through many epochs in which certain types of beings dominated.
First insects ruled the earth. Then reptiles/dinosaurs. Then mammals.
If we imagine infinite possibilities branching from each of those epochs I can imagine a reality would arise in which the insects somehow became the Mantids. The reptiles became the various Lizzid people. And the mammals became all the human varieties that experiencers claim have visited.
There is also the possibility that the bipedal form has been purposefully re-created by one or more bipedal species that have the ability to slip into alternate Earths using ufos.
By mixing their genetics with beings from similar alternate earths they could create a useful biological resource for themselves. Organ harvesting comes to mind.
Or if they looked human, they could infiltrate many undeveloped Earths and manipulate the primitive power structures to create a monetary system in which the people allow the top one percent to hoard most of the money. And with their enhanced intelligence, that’s always going to be them.
The various Lizzo people
Annuuuu-naaaa-kiiii
Orrr help them build up civilization, tell a good story and 2000 years later people still follow that story..
I see where you're going with that. Having some folks follow the wrong story. It could create conflict amongst different civilisations over who the main character in the story is. Wars could or would be fought.
Yeah.. they saw what happened, and decided to never come back.
wow enough for a book congrats
Go watch the “Sliders” tv series.
What is NHI?
Non human intelligence, aka aliens
Aha. Thanks
So heres the thing, if we were to take Quantum Physics for what we've been told it is, then its simple...... 'our reality is what we decide it is'. And if it so happens that their is a collective consciousness that is aligning witb 'our' belief of that reality the manifestation of its existance becomes stronger in coherency.
We are what we decide to be.
This is what we believe it to be.
The fact that we find ourselves 'here' (in one of the universes galaxys) with the freedom and ability to reflect upon our existance in the reality we believe it to be, with our questions and curiositys tells me that we are yet to accept ourselves as being.
You see it dawned on me that dipping ones toes into the quantum of our existance has to pass thru the metaphysical sheath of our being. Now we are talking dimensions. If we are talking dimensions, then one must ask, of which densitys are these dimensions? And, does the density of any given dimension determine what frequency is equipped to hold human consciousness? Which leads me to one of the most pivotal questions of all.....is it the harmonic frequency that enables 'us' to exist?
Therefore, i may have a possible hint towards the Parallel Universe question, which is.....Yes, all things considered, yes....what in the explaination of ourselves suggests that there can't be, when most of everything that makes up our reality, leans heavily towards a fathomable or more so scientific recipe for there to be a PU.
The fact that we can only ponder the theory of a PU and are dorment in our ability to witness it with our own eyes, is purely connected to that self acceptance i mentioned earlier. Which may seem vast in explination, but.....figurd it out.... if a bell rings... you know ive touched in on something... work out what i mean
DId you mean destinies? not densitys? I am confused.
Densities. The density of different frequencies. Example... the density in the earth realm could be coined as 'coarse matter'.... if one is trying to raise vibrations or connect with the spiritual it would be fine matter'.
Not aka aliens. The only reason to change nhi is bc all the things you see flying around originate on this planet. We are not the most advanced species on this planet. As above so below
Which is a theory that is as valid as aliens. We have no proof but we have no disproof. So in the end. It really doesn’t matter until it does sense it all bull but also not bull cause we want to believe it not
We have proof of none human intelligence. Humans just lack the intelligence to acknowledge them.
You must be a teenager....
Nah just have common sense
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I’m open to anything. Just want to see legitimate proof. There is a lot of smoke so far but I’m yet to see a fire.
If realities are really infinite, then anything you can imagine pretty much surely exists
Tell your mom I said hi.
Tell your mom I said thanks
This is the same as proposing there are more 'big' dimensions than the four of spacetime. Other timelines, realities, alternate Earths, etc., would be distant from ours along one or more of these dimensions. Maybe other beings naturally have the ability or have developed the technology to travel along these additional dimensions. The NHI could be from Earth, but the Earth of a parallel timeline (or whatever term you want to use -- just don't say 'another dimension' -- this is incorrect usage) where evolution followed a different path and some other type of creature became sentient and dominant.
Not quite. There can be extra dimensional spacetime of several orders of magnitude beyond our own 3 dimensional reality but it doesn’t inherently mean causality itself would be challenged. There’s a lot of work on this specifically in the context of “2 dimensional Time”.
I always thought about extra dimensions adding the ability for objects to exist near but not within our dimension. Basically like you could move a drawing of an angle back and forth through 3d space and it would exist in a completely different space despite even being right next to the original starting location if viewed within the context of 2d space. So if we add extra dimensions there are extra spaces where things that are essentially right next to us could exist
Yes, like pages in a book. The pages share the same X and Y dimensions but are distant along Z.
Long ago, we thought we were the center of the universe..... Even the sun revolved around us. It took a while, but eventually we discovered the ontological shock that we actually revolve around the sun.
Then we learned, all those little dots we call stars? Yeah, those are actually suns! Big massive suns and we are in this enormous thing called a galaxy, where we are one planet circling a sun among billions of others. Our universe had just massively expanded. Another huge shock.
Then Hubble takes off and we discover, it's not just our galaxy, but billions of other galaxies all over. In fact, the darkest of dark spots, with long enough exposure, we learn there are countless galaxies over there.... It's almost infinite! Another ontological shock.
I think the next shock, is the realization of a whole lot of universes.
Everything is connected. All of things. Including every single atom in every single universe. Just because we can’t see the connection with our extremely limited vision doesn’t mean it’s not there.
If there’s a multiverse, literally nothing “matters”. It’s like saying, “concerning the theory on God, how does God relate to NHI”; it’s just inconsequential.
It sucks, but that’s just the way it is. That’s what “infinity” means, completely undefinable with no limitation to scope.
I completely ascribe to the theory of interdimensionality of a single space-time continuum; but if there are multiple then nothing matters at all.
Unless they are all soul trainer sims :)
It can’t be the way it is if we only theorize on things that can just be paradoxing itself into many branches of it. If such a things exists. Why wouldn’t that be a possibility as well?
What does interdimensionality mean? And how would that be different in terms of "meaning"?
That’s like saying that the beauty of a single flower doesn’t matter because there are millions.
“Beauty” has no consequence, it’s a preference.
What “matters” is also a preference.
Let's start with something simple, the volume of a spherical universe:
V = 4/3 × pi × r³
Take the derivative, using the power rule, and you find the surface area of that volume:
V' = 4 × pi × r²
Another derivative shows us the boundary of that surface area to be equivalent to 4 cicle's worth of circumference:
V" = 8 × pi × r
Notice how the constant becomes larger as we reduce the dimensionality, the exponent, of the system? Let's go back to the sphere now and integrate in order to see what happens. When we do this, we're asking the unintuitive question of, "What is the volume of this sphere acting like the boundary of?"
V = 4/3 × pi × r³
∫V = ⅓ × pi × r⁴
So the area consumed by a 4th dimensional sphere shrinks by a factor of 4 compared to a traditional sphere.
Now if you allow general and special relativity to exist, then we have access to tools like time dilation to measure time curvature. Imagine every single second that ticks in our universe to be a separate universe in a series of universes playing back to back like an old stop-motion film. Now take every one of those sequential universes and coil them all around a central point and they all move in a way so that the "current" universe is always on top. This whole structure is the universe, but we can only interact with the about a second and a half of it at a time before we're in the next frame.
This gargantuan object is actually super small as we just found. It's so small that you can say that our 3D universe is an inwardly projected 3D sphere that is actually larger than the 4D sphere that created it. It's this very steep horizon from one temporal universe to the next that creates this massive curvature for time, which in turn creates the illusion that you fall to the ground when, in your small reference frame, curved time forces the earth to rush up and catch you.
Gravity is fake as fuck so start there.
The math will be correct im sure, everything from here to ghe end of the universe is mathmatics that much i know, (i fall short of the mechanics though) but trust your equations are on point.
However you refer to time..... and that the whole shabang can only intereact a second and a half at a time, because our reality sits on top of the other realitys.... and that when we fall time sees that the esrth rushes towards us instesd of us being the primary mover thru time... you also say time has a curvature......?
How can this be, when there is actually no such thing as time? There is only ever 'here and now'. The 4th Dimention holds the meaning of time, which i think explains why we as sentient beings can only ascend to a 5D reality, skipping 4D, as we are unable to exist in a 4D reality. I dont know why i know this but prove me wrong please, so i can learn. Hats off to u my friend.
Oh i forgot to say, in the other PU's /dimensions everything is happening at the same 'time' here and now...
I think that there's older universes or most of them are
A quick reading on this thread tells me you guys don't know anything about this theory.
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We need to try and understand our own universe more before moving to studying whether more exist.
I've always thought most NHI are indeed coming from other universes, sometimes by accident and sometimes on purpose, but I guess a few of them are indeed coming from our own universe, if not our own world.
I believe there are multiple dimensions, when we die we go to another….. is that the same ?
Only thing that makes sense, at least with our limited analytical abilities.
You know what I find a bit nuts is that, if the multiverse is real, and is infinite, then by definition there’s literally an infinite variations of you. Effectively this means you are everything, along with everyone else, who are also everything. Just not at the same time.
I just don't buy it because it feels like multiple different universes or timelines branching from one single "snapshot" of the universe would break causality.
Actually the many world’s interpretation is an attempt to save causality and a deterministic universe. But it is absurd for one our world is probabilistic it’s why statistics are so powerful a big problem with the MWI is in quantum mechanics the wave had a probability distribution of potential states and some states are far less likely than others which makes no sense if different states are equally real, then how does the branching work for the less probable universes. And the wave function collapses with every particle in the universe meaning an almost infinite branching happening constantly. So where does all this energy come from? Why don’t we have any awareness or ability to observe these other universes? What’s the point of and why does the universe seem probabilistic? It just seems like an absurd form of mental gymnastics in order to deny that the world is not deterministic.
So where does all this energy come from?
Yeah that's another intractable problem with MWI.
True Believers say it came from the Big Bang. Well, obviously that doesn't explain anything, and there's at least two serious problems with that.
The Big Bang happened at a given point in time. All these infinite universes are being created much later at infinite different points in time: where was the energy between the Big Bang and the creation of these other Universes? How was it conveyed through spacetime from the Big Bang to these other universes?
It basically implies (or directly states, depending on who you're talking to) that the Big Bang had infinite energy.
If the Big Bang had infinite energy, how could the energy density have ever cooled so that there could be ordinary matter, or light? It's self-evident there was not infinite energy, without a comprehensive and consistent solution to all the problems.
How does the energy know to partition itself into different universes rather than lumping up into a few universes, or only one universe? What governs the energy density between universes?
And if any energy can ever exchange between universes, that exposes a whole nother intractable problem, as I explained in another comment here. I've simplified my argument against MWI to just those points in my other comment.
Maybe that's all just one serious problem with a lot of symptoms: the energy problem, if you will.
You also need a new universe for every quantum decoherence. Thats computationally enormous on an unimaginable scale to the infinite degree. Vs computationally lazy by not even having computed states prior to measurment.
Yeah I honestly do not understand why anyone thinks it’s more elegant or simple. I bet these people refuse to accept a coin toss they’ll just be like in 1032 universes it’s tails!
Wouldn't it only be computationally enormous for a classical computer? A computer in a quantum state just contains every possible universe all at once. Like maybe all the "universes" just exist in potential,
lazy var gravity;
1 universe, infinite timelines. trust me this is it.
The PhD advisor to Hugh Everett and supervisor of his thesis, The Theory of the Universal Wavefunction (which is the basis of the Many Worlds Interpretation), was Professor John Archibald Wheeler who developed a different theory which I find more interesting and involves a self-generated informational universe where only the present has a real existence.
PBS Space Time has an overview of Wheeler’s theories and these are two of his papers on the subject:
https://jawarchive.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/beyond-the-black-hole.pdf
I like this explanation from an Instagram account I stumbled upon.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzflKC5tR7l/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I’d say it’s highly unlikely, but I also said that about remote viewing up until two weeks ago, when I tried it.
It’s as good as any other theory at this point.
Well, I personally like Rick and Morty better than anything Marvel.
Sokka-Haiku by AntelopeDisastrous27:
Well I personally
Like Rick and Morty better
Than anything Marvel.
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
Its 100% correct, but the topic is a spiritual one.
I think yes but I can’t explain it or comprehend it really. Mutiple universes in countless dimensions …infinite
It's nonsense.
Either there's no possible way for any energy to ever exchange between universes, in which case "other" universes are absolutely irrelevant to anything and everything, or else there's obviously not any sort of "infinite quantity", because it's self evident that infinite varieties of infinite categories of specific types of universes DO NOT EXIST.
Those include the infinite varieties of the infinite quantity of categories that WOULD HAVE rendered our universe observably different than it is, if energy exchange were possible.
For example: a universe with an extreme xenophobic alien species that was the first species to evolve and that DID come into our universe and permanently sterilize our galaxy. That didn't happen. We know for an undeniable fact it didn't happen because we are here. Therefore: we know that universe doesn't exist.
Infinite varieties of that universe also do not exist (like some where their median height was 2 meters and their skin color was a green shade, vs some universes where their skin color was blue and their median height was 1 meter). That generally illustrates infinite varieties of infinite categories of universes that don't exist.
Therefore: there definitely are not unbounded infinite universes. There IS some bound to the quantity of universes, but MWI doesn't offer any bound beyond "quantum vibrations".
The only sensible conclusion is: absolutely no energy can ever possibly exchange between them, in which case they're absolutely indistinguishable from imaginary (which means they are literally imaginary), or: the quantity of universes is exactly one. Without a quantity of exactly one you need to define the bound that's consistent. Good luck with that!
"Multiple dimensions"/"interdimensional aliens" has essentially the exact same problem. If there's some one other dimension where aliens come from, then there gazillions of them and there's gazillions of aliens here taking our jobs. But there aren't. So: there aren't any "other dimensions" that aliens "come from".
That's one of the reasons that the disinformation about aliens being "interdimensional" is such a big problem.
Another reason is that it distracts humans away from working towards a post-scarcity civilization based on warp drive capability. Warp drive is the biggest lever I can think of for mining or harvesting materials from bodies besides the Earth.
Well multiverse or many worlds theory in my opinion is impossible if I understand it correctly. If they are saying any possible outcome can and will happen, then doesn't that mean that one world you turn left, the other world you turn right? If that's the case then in one world your parents wouldn't of never meet and have you so if you think about it then none of us would exist in many of the different worlds. Not born, or get wiped out by a bus or something. I think if we look at some of our choices, and think about what if we chose different, it could be mind boggling if you just counted the choices you made today, for each person on the planet. That's a hell of a lot of worlds for each of us. This choice causes this choice and then this other choice and so on and so on...... Mind blowing shit.
Idk but I just watched Everything Everywhere All at Once finally last night and after I finished it I had to go sit outside in silence for awhile
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Personally I think the topic as a whole is more so a thought concept. An its application doesn't really officiate anything, until we can essentially ourselves travel in between universes. The concept also is also technically an explanatio n which may hold exactly no substance or merit at all. Its sorta just an unproven theory as a whole an its applying to anything now, will probably only further confuse those principals prior to ever showing them any practical advances. To me if we create gta 6 or the various other games already available. These separate universes are within our universe. So in a sense a multiverse already exists! But wait. No it doesnt...doesn't.... An if cern opens a black whole an shreds our entire universe into an atomic state.. Well, Same result really. So it's sorts a cool concept. But imho the kid that was touting the mandella effect was more so an abused child that was Frontpaged by expressing ideas that were long thought many moons ago. An offer no real solutions to anything now. Think grandfather an twin paradoxes as perfect pre existing examples an mere focal points. This basically is a play on words by comparison..."The more we work with proven law"- The less we have to wonder about these hypothetical concepts as a whole really. So imho place ideas like this on the backburner. An merely get a handle on concepts of dimensions prior to electing topics which literally unravel the entirety of our known universe. Its basically a better idea to use what we know an learn off that. Then to speculate an infinance of maybes. With no sheer facet to proving them. I'd rather be proving what is. Then wondering if something can be in short. Kinda like Sherlock Holmes when you rule out the impossible quote... Why apply seemingly limited time to the infinite of what can be. When we can rule out what can be an essentially go from there...
I like the idea but then I think it must be infinitely harder to travel between universes than just a NHI from here, so I go back to that.
If there was infinite realities where anything that could happen would happen then there would be a universe in which i gain the ability to travel through the multiverse and grant all my alternate selves immortality and reality manipulation on par with Matthew Malloy.
Not related to NHI and the theory is probably correct.
Theory suggests all the dark matter must be somewhere well it is the other universe’s
You don't need this to explain aliens.
I believe it, but our universe is basically cut off. No matter what, the resources needed to jump from our universe to another or vice versa would be way to much to be worthwhile.
I'm other universes it's easier. But ours is to high on the physical plane.
Professor michiu kaku cofounder of string field theory describes many worlds like the waves of countless radio stations all sharing the same space with us, we only perceive the one because that's what we're tuned to.
The infinite nature of the MWI of quantum mechanics easily explains the seemingly endless variety of UFOs and aliens as well as why all the aliens seem to look different versions of us or other potential intelligent earth life like intelligent reptiles and insects which given different circumstances and infinite chances could have evolved from the same primordial gunk that we did.
I like the many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics because aside from intelligent life building machines to artificially manipulate and traverse Einstein Rosen bridge wormholes to get here from their own worldlines if thin spots/wormholes can also occur naturally it also could explain all manner of other Fortean high strangeness too, everything from missing people to out of place artifacts. For instance maybe instead of being disembodied spirits and unknown animals ghosts and criptids are more like fleeting ethereal glimpses of people and critters on an entangled worldline just going about their business before fading out again, like driving around a hill and having an ad playing on another station briefly bleed into the song you're listening to before fading out again just as quickly.
This could even explain accounts of time travel. Some worlds could be wildly divergent from our own but some could be indistinguishable from ours. If you could visit worlds where life sparked sooner or later than ours but where events otherwise unfolded identically as here it would have the illusion of classic sci Fi time travel but there would be no grandfather paradox, if you screw with something events would simply unfold differently in that worldline than they would have otherwise. This is how the "time travel" in the John Titor story from the early 2000s actually worked. He wasn't zipping back and forth in the same timeline, he jumped to a parallel earth with minimal divergence from his that was in its 1960s to retrieve the ibm computer while his worldline was like 70 years more advanced. The divergence explains why some of the events he predicted, while scarily close to events here didn't quite pan out exactly as they did in his worldline. In his posts Titor said they had UFOs in his worldline too, but that they had come to assume they were machines like his that were coming from paralell worldlines with much more advanced technology.
Simulation theory can apply here too. Many worlds might be trying to explain something like many earth simulations running simultaneously on one machine. In this context UFOs and aliens could be different versions of ourselves that have become self aware and figured out some kind of wall hack that lets them interact with other sims they don't belong in.
TV show “Sliders”
TV show “Sliders”
I wish they would have executed the idea of the cromag antagonists better at the end of the series.
The idea was solid, that on some random world a different/earlier aggressive homonin achieved high intelligence and technology instead of homosapiens and with their flying ships that slide between worlds are much more advanced than all the world's with regular people.
The show went down hill but it's good while John Rys Davis is around. I like the one where southern California is a dinosaur preserve, or the one where earth is ruled by cowboy lawyers 🤠
The picture is from dragon ball super is it not 👀?
What i think, is that we are in one big Ai simulation. So it wants to see how we make Ai.
I m still trying to grasp how all this came from nothing.
Well your dad jizzed in your mom and about 9 months later there you were.
Okay but who jizzed in the big bang?
I think they make good scifi stories sometimes, but I personally don't believe in them in real life. There can only be one universe. My favorite scifi franchise is Star Trek and I think they've overused them way too much.
If life is rare and we are separated by hundreds of light years, I believe the NHI are lifeforms evolved from other things from different earth dimensions and we are all overlapped in our own dimensions, they just choose to visit/study/etc
If life is rare and we are separated by hundreds of light years, I believe the NHI are lifeforms evolved from other things from different earth dimensions and we are all overlapped in our own dimensions, they just choose to visit/study/etc
If they could interact between universes/multiverse, it would just become a single universe. It can only remain conceptually different universes or multiverse if they do not interact at all. So NHI can only be from our universe.
I like to think every life changing decision we make as a human civilization ripples into another timeline within the same universe with different outcomes - like the butterfly effect. We are just only capable of living in the current one. Maybe other timelines within our universe have found ways to travel between our timelines with technology maybe we don’t understand.
If you can think it, so be it.
I thought the idea came from if the universe was super tiny and in quantum things phase around this is where the multi verse idea came from
I like the idea that in another reality the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs missed the earth and they continued to evolve into bipedal bird/lizard-like creatures. They had a huge head start on primates so it makes sense that they would have evolved millions of years of tech beyond what we can understand to the point where they might be able to jump between multiverses. Ours being just one of them.
I just wanted to point out that Marvel brought the idea of a multiverse into the public’s eye years ago. Then countless other franchises took the idea and made their own multiverses. And now we’re talking about it as if it might be a real thing. Reality really is stranger than fiction. Or maybe fiction is just unknown reality.
I grew up believing in multiverses as a child in the sixties, way before today’s current fascination. Theories are always true, until proven false…
We're in a state of rebuilding. Not about to let a bunch of clowns with their heads up their own asses screw it up again.
I wish people would drop the woo-woo magic nonsense of 'multiverse' theory. It's physical, and yes the 'theory' still holds water regardless.
There is definitely more to this reality than what we have the senses to experience, but what it all is we will only ever be able to speculate on.
Logically, the Many Worlds theory based on quantum mechanics should be laughed out of science. The practical result of that theory would mean there are effectively an infinite number of universes already in exists, with an even bigger number to come. It's just crazy.
The Parallel universes theory, that are different from ours, has a possibility of being true depending on how many and where they can be located. I have not seen any evidence from 70 years of UAP cases that definitely points towards that as they all appear to be interstellar visitors, by their own admission to contactees.
Think multi-verse is just a sci-fi idea. We don't need it to explain what we see from our non-human visitors.
Read Hindu texts. The multiverse theory is explained there. Hinduism is the world's oldest religion/cult and the sacred books carry immense information of the untold past. Just have a look. You will find all your answers. However, you can check this video for multiverse theory according to Hinduism.
No physical evidence
Idk but I have dreams that play out like memories from an alternate life somewhere. Vivid just like real life. I think the multiverse exists. The spirit world that exists parallel to ours is what interests me. The mind. It's where I believe we come from and we are the bridge to the spirit world. The multiverse if true is a crazy cool concept. Infinite universes of all kinds. Trippy. I think humans are key to the universe and I think there are likely a bunch of genetic alterations of the same core being. Like humans merged with random dna. Like maybe we are human ape and therw are like human cats haha. Id imagine some super smart being merges dna easily.But who knows. I have no clue. I think there are all kinds of' aliens" from all kinds of places.
It's a math trick.
Unknown variable is "either/or" therefore math cultist believes it is BOTH either AND or.
Example:
X=Schrodingers' cat is either dead OR alive, therefore X =Shroedingers' cat is both dead AND alive.
It's not real, it's a misunderstanding of a mathematical expression. In some cases deliberately propagated because it's a sexy idea and brings in grant money.
I think multiverse theory has a Big error and it is that is there other universe where is another version of You with other life decisions Taken. . . But if You think about in its application since the beginning of time there is no chance we would ever exist . . . Maybe a cave men eat a plant instead of a Bug SO the whole universe we know would ever exist, it's too many many coincidences that must to have to create our reallity that ist imposible to hacemos another version of our own
If true then we’re prob just farts in a bath traveling to the surface XD
Omniverse!
I sort of like the idea of a fractal universe, where a universe can be “interpreted” as the interactions between particles on the surface of an event horizon. Our perception as participatory observers has to do with our own interactions in the surface of that sphere.
It neatly allows for a multiverse, because we already know of multiple black holes in our own universe. Suggests that every universe capable of harboring black holes should also contain “other universes.”
I don't see how we can judge our universe to be "infertile" when we've only just started to explore it. We're children in the cosmos.
I wonder if we originally heard multiverse and thought multiple universes, from like E.T. telling us this. Or it could have been meant in terms of this space of time, each instance of time is its own universe. So we living in a multiverse could very well be every second is an instance/snapshot/dimension of the universe in that moment. Just on how they travel between time and space, planet rotation, movement, to their destination not needing to fly endlessly to the other side.
I think video games are real but in a different multiverse.
im currently at uni studying astrophysics in my opinion is that the multiverse cannot be proven but cannot be disproven either reason one is bcos of time the rate our universe expands (faster than the speed of light) the likely hood of our generation even getting to travel at the speed of light is highly unlikely therefore making it impossible for us to leave our universe anytime soon reason 2 its highly theoretical the likely hood of it being real is very low reason 3 the only way to possibly get to another universe during our timeline/century is through steven hawkins theory of wormholes which again is theoretical.
There is not a shred of evidence for it, and the notion that the universe splits in two a quadrillion times every microsecond is so unparsimonious that you may as well invoke the flying spaghetti monster.
There is also a good track record that every time we think that the universe is a certain way, we are wrong and discoveries tend to reveal that we’re not as important as we thought.
Evidence or no evidence, we’re all going to be wrong so there’s no point in ridiculing someone’s speculation into a possible nature of reality by invoking FSM. It doesn’t matter what any of us thinks anyway.
It doesn’t matter what any of us thinks anyway.
This could be false if by chance our thoughts actually have power to make changes. Thus there are some that think/believe that having negative thoughts can affect our reality. Lynne McTaggart with her intention experiment book really pushed me on the path and search of how we can affect the things around us. I work to temper my thoughts, and emotions. Slightly off topic but thought I throw this out there.
Yes we all have our views and you are right, for can be respectful in how we react or interact with others. I think the more people like you and I speak up about this courtesy part, the better this and other subs will be.
I agree with you on the thoughts affecting reality. I was going through a rough time after 2010 and I like to joke that I’m responsible for the Arab Spring.
My point is that the content of what we believe doesn’t matter. The only thing that matters how we feel about it. FSM only exists as a patronizing example to illustrate the perceived absurdity of a belief, which has a negative connotation. Just let people believe what they want. It can be interesting to discuss, but we should keep in mind that we are all probably wrong or that our view is incomplete at best.
I can understand the skepticism but I don't think it's fair to completely dismiss it or equate it to invoking something like the "flying spaghetti monster." The lack of direct empirical evidence does not necessarily invalidate it as a theoretical interpretation.
The basis of the many-worlds idea comes from the mathematical formalism of quantum mechanics itself and how it describes the evolution of quantum systems over time. When you follow the equations, they don't describe a single outcome but rather a superposition of multiple possible outcomes. The many-worlds interpretation is one way of making sense of what these quantum superpositions physically represent in reality.
It is extremely counterintuitive but the hypothesis of quantum parallel universes branching off is a straightforward logical consequence if you take the quantum equations literally. So in that sense, it doesn't violate Occam's razor or require adding any additional assumptions beyond what's already implied by the theory. Yes, the numbers involved with parallel universes get astronomically large very quickly. But working physicists use similarly large numbers when calculating things like the number of possible quantum states in ordinary systems. The math of quantum theory just involves grappling with vast scales and multiplicities.
I understand the basis, I played for this team for a decade. It's just that I've come to realize that the universe is incredibly simplex, not complex. Nature doesn't deal in math and QM, those are human ways of trying to understand the behavior of nature. Which, again, is profoundly simplex.
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A long time ago in a galaxy far far away.
We are all spirit energy and life has multiple layers. NHI is just a tool for research, knowledge and fact finding. We will do the same some day.
I feel like the entire ufo phenomenon is the result of whatever created us poking some 4D shape into our 3D universe to check conditions, much like we’d put a thermometer in a vial of liquid to take measurements.
There isn't any dimensional intelligence that isn't humans.
We're just the epitome of existence huh?
You state that like it's a fact.
Hurts to read.
Multiverse theory is like a dream, it doesn't exist, it's not real.
My belief is that there isn’t so much evidence of a multiverse as there is a “Spiritual dimension/ Spirit Realm”. Almost all ancient traditions and religions give credence to this “world” existing. My belief is that the entities in this realm have the ability to appear/communicate with ours at will, while we do not.
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