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There are no entry requirements to the agender club

I've seen a lot of people posting here recently asking if they're agender if they feel like this or prefer that. Personally I feel like this is not what being agender is about! IF YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE AND COSY WITH THE AGENDER LABEL THEN FEEL FREE TO USE THAT LABEL. You don't have to be like any other agender person, we all have our own unique experiences with gender or lack thereof. You don't have to have any qualifying features to be agender - you just need to be comfortable being one :)

Rant over.

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For people who are questioning or need a boost --- an Agender Primer

Hello, welcome....

I've been here well over a year and I've read 90% of all posts since arriving. I have written what I learned and just share it with people as they show up. It's a bit formulaic/spammy but people keep saying they find it helpful.

Agender doesn't really have a rigidly defined box... or it's a magic box that fits whoever gets in it.

Agender is a pretty diverse, entirely self-actualized label for humans who may not even like labels all that much. You can use it like a hermit crab until you find a better one. You can use it with other labels if you want.

So here are some pointers....

Some agender people don't understand gender or how people feel it.

Some agender people reject social gendering.

Some agender people feel like gender(s) don't fit.

Some agender people are null, void, indifferent, or detatched.

Some agender people have other parts of their identity that are dominant.

Agenders may or may not care about pronouns and can use any they want.

Agenders may or may not present any particular way.

Agenders may or may not have gender dysphoria or body dysmorphia.

Agenders may or may not feel they have/had a gender at birth, and thus may or may not feel transgender.

Agenders may or may not care about being out.

A number of agenders even have mixed feelings about identifying non-binary and may not really identify as NB; many are fine with it. Nonbinary is both an umbrella term but also a specific gender identity. Nonbinary people can still feel that they have a gender, but their gender isn't strictly man or woman. Agender people generally feel no gender or don't connect with gender. This technically falls under the nonbinary label but not every agender person uses nonbinary as a label.

The one common defining feature is that agenders don't feel or relate to gender (e.g. social constructs of male/masculine or female/feminine), or only weakly feel it, most of the time.

The ethos is you should call yourself agender if you feel it based on how you understand it. If you're something else later that fits better, it's all good.

Recognize there's no set way to be an agender. I personally like it this way because trying to define a person based on an absence of things is hard (you don't often respond to the question 'how are you doing?' by telling them everything you're not feeling). I find the lack of a set way to be agender very affirming. I thought I was a trans woman for a long time...but never did anything about it because gender at the forefront wasn't a compulsion. I might have had better body alignment, but I don't think I would've fit in any better.

Remember, you're a person first, the label is just there like a marker on a map to see how you might relate to others. As you will see, there's lots of ways to be agender if the label suits you. Hang out, read other people's posts, see how you like things.

People get here lots of ways though, more than I even say here I reckon.

Hope this helps get you started.

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Hi everyone. So above is a post I often share in here. I was helped in this sub Jan 2023 when I found myself in need of expressing transgender thoughts I've been carrying around my whole life, but never acted on. I had felt very much out of place for decades and was shocked (somewhat stupidly and for entirely too long) that there were people out there in the same kind of place I was.

This has been my way to pay the help I received forward, because new arrivals sometimes don't quickly understand how flexible this label is. I had my moments of doubt, but the openness here help make it click.

However, I don't think of this post as static. I have changed it as I learn. People have already said things in this thread that's inspired tiny changes. Please don't think this is the be-all says-all of agender experiences.

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I've just been called "the epitome of femininity" :-|

my evening was going pretty bad already, but this is the icing on the cake. not that being agender is even a thing in my country, the guy who called me that is already mad enough that transmen & women exist, I can't imagine his reaction to learning that people who are neither exist :-| . I have however told him multiple times that I don't identify as a woman whatsoever. yet he always ends up saying stuff like that "as a compliment". just... lol. thanks man, I also have no respect for you.

I am so confused...

Hi every human.

So I know that I am agender, but I'm still trying to figure out the pronouns and names and- GAH!!

Right now, I use He/It/She pronouns, and my name is Delilah, which is the name I was given at birth. I really like the name, but then again, I want something... different. Like, I'm gonna keep Delilah, but I'm also looking for other names. I have always loved the name Alex, which is gender neutral, so that's nice. But I feel like having two names is weird. I'm also thinking about the name Dee, which I think is perfect because I love bird watching and my favourite bird is a chickadee, and Delilah - Dee, you get it. And even though I love that name to death, I'm worried that when people hear it they're gonna think D and then think of the memes. Do you know what I mean? And I still can't decide if I want that to be my name or just a nickname. But having two names is already way more than usual and I feel like people are gonna judge me!

Then the pronouns.... oh god the pronouns... So like I said, I go by He/It/She. As soon as I saw It/Its on a neopronoun website, I fell in love. But I feel like that's kinda... demeaning. And it would be tricky for people to get used to. I also feel connected with He/She, but less with She. Then again, I don't feel more He than She, but I do. I'M JUST SO CONFUSED. Also, it feels weird using He/She pronouns when I am not a boy nor a girl. Like I feel like these pronouns make me seem like I'm a boy and a girl, when it's actually the opposite! Like, do pronouns make your gender? I DON'T THINK SO BUT I DON'T KNOW. And even if pronouns don't make your gender, I'm worried that would assume that I'm a boy and a girl. But if I went with just It/Its/Itself, people would always misgender me... EVEN WHEN I DON'T HAVE A GENDER!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-

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Hello all!

I guess I'm here bc I wanna know yalls experiences. So, I currently identify as agender, bc I don't identify with m or f, and don't feel any pronouns are really mine. I genuinely don't care what pronouns people use for me. I appear female right now (not in a place where I can change that yet, but soon I will be!). I've never really thought about gender, just appeared as female bc I didn't really care either way and I didn't know there were other options. My ideal body would be flat-chested with short hair basically, appearing androgynous. What are yours? And what are you guys' experiences with this? I've read stories of gender people that always knew they weren't the gender they were born as, but I just didn't ever think about it. Also, I couldn't care less what pronouns are used for me. Do y'all have certain pronouns you prefer to be used or do you not care aswell?

I'm just in a state of confusion rn and if anyone can answer at least a bit of this mess that'd be super helpful!

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How do "void" gender identities differ from agender?

Also, is there a difference between voidgender and gendervoid?

Agender characters in books?

Hi all! I suspect I may be agender, as there are no pronouns I identify with and I don't think of myself in terms of gender at all. (I'm also aroace, so I feel like there are a lot of concepts I just don't apply to myself) Reading and writing are how I think deeper about concepts and figure out whether they're truly for me, so I ask the agender community:

Can you recommend any books or stories with agender characters?

How would you like to see an agender main character written, if that person were the main character of a novel?

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Learning I'm Agender

For a long time, I wholeheartedly believed I was either Genderfluid or a Trans Woman. It was only recently that I had to sit down and force myself to deconstruct what I was feeling.

As it is with others in this subreddit, I'm also Autistic. With Autism often comes the task of unmasking and understanding your true feelings. In doing so, I found that my mask extended to my gender identity(plus sexuality).

I was surrounded by communities that convinced me I had to be something, so I tried to be everything. But each time I tried, I realized that I was stretching my own sense of self to fit a series of boxes. And when I just stop and feel my actual gender, there's nothing there at all.

It makes me curious if other neurodivergent Agender people experienced something similar, where your own mask influenced your expectations with your gender identity.

Autism and how it affects the experience of being agender

Hi!! I know a little bit ago someone asked how many of us were autistic- and it's a lot of us! I was wondering how people have noticed their identity is affected by that.

For example, I've noticed that me being agender is mostly hidden from the fact that I'm transmasc- taking T, using he/him, etc. I've realized that my masking for autism is gendered masculine. In societal rules, I'd prefer to be perceived masculine than feminine even if I like expressing myself more fem sometimes. I realized that without masking, without societal expectations, I was agender. I know that experience others can relate to without the masking part, but the de-masking has helped me realize all of this.

Another way I've experienced the two teaming up on me would be not really fitting in in general, so obviously why would I fit in gender wise? I feel like small talk and fitting into gender norms is the same thing for me- excruciating but necessary for survival at work.

If anyone has any different or similar experiences about how their autism affects their gender I'd love to hear it! Even if you're not autistic, I think adding your perspective could be an interesting contrast while also seeing parts I'll probably be able to relate to- society kills everyone whether they know it or not- including neurotipicals!

Could a straight girl date me?

I’m agender, I was wlw. Do you think a straight girl could date me?

I’m aro/ace, and just realized also agender, but I still don’t understand you guys.

I’m probably gonna end up saying something offensive and ignorant and not even realize it, so please be patient.

Im extremely confused as to how agender people identify as transgender, or how it even falls under that category. How can you transition from something that never existed? I’ve never cared about pronouns, I’ve never understood why people do and how it matters, I just know people like using it and labeling me, and I don’t find it inconvenient enough to bother correcting. There’s nothing to correct. I come here looking for answers, and I see people picking out their pronouns, trying out new ones. I don't get it- why and how do pronouns matter to you? what does that have to do with gender? Isn’t the very act of caring so much about how you’re perceived and what your label is the very thing agender people don’t understand? I don’t understand!

How do people experience gender dysphoria, when there is no gender to be dysphoric about?

I don’t understand gender fundamentally. I thought it was something everyone was pretending to have to just have a community to align themself with and to help society function. I would consider myself cis-gender (which is just another performative label) because I don’t care if people perceive me as a girl (I’m AFAB) or use feminine pronouns, but I really don’t mind any other label. At the end of the day, it’s not real. I just hate it when people try to shove me into a box , assume things, and look down upon me due to the label they arbitrarily picked out for me. (I mean, I don’t understand the concept of women or the meme “girl dinner” or any of that stuff as well, and feel supremely uncomfortable when people think I know that they’re on about.) But that’s just my frustration with sexism rather than any internal strife with identity.

Isn’t non-binary label for the folks that care about pronouns and body and such? “Agender” for me is just an abbreviated form of “I have no idea what gender is nor do I have it.” For example, if an agender person came out as preferring she/it pronouns, that means that person knows what the hell pronouns mean right? And would that just make them non binary or transgender? Agender being under the transgender and non-binary umbrella doesn’t make sense… it kind of turns “agender” into a gender. Trans gender and non-binary are folks who don’t align with the gender binary, or assigned at birth a different gender. Agender have no idea what the hell they’re on about. Like how a born-blind man can’t understand colors.

Outside of the mutual frustration with the enforcement of a strict gender binary, there’s no other similarity. For cisgender, trans gender, non-binary folk, gender exists. And for agender people it doesn’t. I guess it’s similar to the debate of “are aro/ace people part of the LGBTQ+ community” (which I think we are because we’re queer, but even then I still feel extremely separate from other people in the queer community. A lot of it is sex and romance and bodies and etc..)

Sorry if this post doesn’t make sense. I’m trying to learn about the thing I’m supposedly a part of, but have become more confused and was just slapped with another slab of “Just another wildly important and personal thing in the human experience everyone else seemingly understands that I’m not privy to.”

Edit: Thanks for the reassurances and explanations fellas. A lot of transphobic people say similar things to what I’m saying, but they’re coming from a place of hatred while I’m coming from a place of confusion. (And I also don’t understand hatred of trans people either, if I don’t understand gender, then hate filled transphobia is twice the conundrum.) But either way, I get why people would take offense to what I’ve said, because despite differing intentions, at the end of the day it’s still harmful words.

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Name suggestions?

So I want to change my name to something more gender neutral but there isn’t a lot of gender neutral names that I know of and I can’t seem to find any good ones on Google so can y’all give me some suggestions plz. Anything would be appreciated.

Name Ideas

I've been struggling for almost a year to come up with a new name for myself. I used to Identify as transmasc and my old name (not birth name) is giving me dysphoria mainly due to it being tied with a past version of me that I no longer associate with.

I've changed so much in the past 3 years. I thought I should gather some ideas online from others, since looking around by myself has been fruitless. Honestly, I wish I didn't have to have a name. But, the government requires me to have one. How are you supposed to name yourself if you don't want a name? Any ideas are greatly appreciated. <3

(Please don't suggest very feminine names)

Names I'm Considering: Cyrus, Onyx

Below are some facts about myself:

Pronouns: They/Them

Special Interests: Pokemon, Resident Evil, Alice In Wonderland, Undertale, FNAF, Analog Horror, Tim Burton Films

Favorite Aesthetics: Bee-core, Goblin-core, Dark Academia, Boho, Hippie, Strawberry, Goth, Alternative

Favorite Animals: Frogs, Bees, Cows, Foxes, Whale Sharks

Favorite Colors: Sunflower Yellow, Marigold Orange, Wine Purple, Pastel Pink

Community Positivity post!!!!

I just wanted to say thank you for existing and being you bc when I think or read about other ppl like me I’m like omg maybe I can see myself in this more positive light, hey maybe I AM valid and this world isn’t so bad!!!! You guys give me hope I love reading fellow agender peeps posts 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼

HOMEWORK: TELL ME SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU AGENDER EUPHORIA, IF NOT SOMETHING THAT JUST MAKES UR HEART SING!!!

And remember, be gentle with yourself 🫶🏼👋

Going to my dads tomorrow

As the title says, I'll be going to my dad's tmr evening and it'll be hot and rainy this weekend, so I'm trying to find something to wear for when I go with him.

I want to present masc but neutral at the same time, does anyone have any ideas? And hairstyle ideas as well.

Anything you think of that isn't winter clothes is appreciated.

Thank you 😊

I wish there was a better option

I kinda want to start estrogen (AMAB) because I really don't like all the hair that is growing on me (obviously except the head hair) and I think I might like some of the other effects of it, but there's also some of the effects that I don't think I would like, I wish there was a gender neutral HRT that didn't have the hyper-feminine or hyper-masculine traits to it.

Am I agender???

Imma cryyyy im confuuused. Well ig not really confused, maybe more so, conflicted. I am Aroace, Ik that for sure. Ive just never really understood gender. Like what’s the point. It’s a social construct, one that is very important to many people and I completely respect that, but it’s just not to me. Which is also why I’m not really sure I understand myself identifying as agender, but since it’s the lack of gender, maybe that makes sense? I think agender people might experience gender dysphoria (forgive me if I am ignorant) but I’m not sure I’ve ever really experienced it. I’m assigned at birth male, and I’m fine with my genitalia(SO PERSONAL AHHHH), but I love love love having long hair and hate having short hair. Also, I really dislike my body hair(AHHH SO PERSONAL AGAIN) and I’m covered up all the time because of it, and according to my research, that kinda sounds like gender dysphoria, but I’m not sure.i definitely don’t think I’d ever be interested in surgery or gender affirming care, and i don’t want to change my name. I don’t really try to present as masculine or feminine, i don’t really care about those concepts. I also don’t really care how people perceive me, but I think I’m more comfortable with male than female. I’ve tried to imagine identifying as agender and using they/them pronouns, and I think it feels right and good, but I’m not sure im able to confess that to myself, and certainly not anyone else. My parents will never know, I can’t even tell them I’m aro, and my friends, maybe one day I’ll be more comfortable sharin. But I’m just not sure and I’d like some help, please 🥺

My partner doesn't get Accepted by its parents. What can I do?

Hello Y'all. So I'm 19y/o Transfemale and met my partner (18y/o agender) in the school library almost three years ago. It's the most handsome and cutest person I ever met and I was in love with it from the beginning. My partner was born female and only came out to me after six months of us dating, let's name it Sky. Sky was shaking crying when it came out to me and asked if I still loved it. Deeply in love with it I firmly assured Sky that I will always love it no matter the gender (or lack thereof) or what's in its pants.

Regardless it was still extremely scared of telling it's parents because they are extremely religious and while they accept me as Sky's girlfriend, the dad said "This won't ever happen in our family". Long story short my partner told them one evening and they were extremely ignorant. That was over a year ago and the parents still call my love by its Deadname and old pronouns.

I really want to help but I don't know how. I don't even know if this is the right subreddit for this story. But what I know for sure is that I love my partner deeply and want them to be themself in their own family, too.

I could really use some advice on how to make my partner feel good.

PS: My own family accepted Sky from the beginning and even though they often call it she, they are supportive. They just don't understand how someone can have no gender, because humans "need to have something in between their legs" (either a wiener or a peachie).

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