Increase in cancer diagnoses and people dying young suddenly

Vent

Does anyone feel like they’re screaming into the abyss? I feel like I’m constantly hearing news of another cancer diagnosis, another sudden death and it’s just so frustrating people don’t want to connect the dots..

It breaks my heart every time and infuriates me… I want to tell them to please mask to avoid getting sick since they have cancer but then I look like the asshole.

Why does no one care to protect themselves or those in their circles who are immunocompromised… 😩

I hate the normalization of death. I hate the normalization of ignoring precautions. It’s so unsustainable and painful. I hate having to bear witness to this while most everyone pretends this is a normal amount of death, especially in younger populations..

It’s only a matter of time before it happens to people in my family and I absolutely dread it. I used to be so close to my big family and it hurts that I can’t even spend time with them because it’s too much of a risk.

Just cried my eyes out yet again.

💔💔💔

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SimpleVegetable5715

15d

Aside from the mass deaths which shouldn't be downplayed, it also triggers autoimmune diseases, which I think is what's behind some of the long Covid cases. I hear, "so do other viruses", but come on. I was in college during H1N1, entire classes were cancelled, but that was nothing compared to this current pandemic.

dawno64

15d

And as for "so do other viruses", well then isn't that MORE reason to stop viral spread, clean the air, reduce viral damage? Why do people think that because other viruses cause damage too it means we shouldn't do anything about any of them?

The human species apparently can't seem to progress. "Back to normal" should be abolished.

nada8

15d

Agreed

Bippy73

15d

Yes. The cost of healthcare, particularly in the US where it is already astronomical with no end in sight and with them threatening MEDICARE on the chopping block, is going to lead to unsustainable levels. People are going to, and already are, die younger, and they will be sicker earlier in life. It is absolutely unsustainable.

But for anyone who gets sick over 50, people will argue that people had strokes and heart attacks and early onset, dementia, etc., before Covid. But it certainly will bear out in the overall numbers if anyone cares to actually take the time to find out. I guarantee most doctors don't ask their patients how many times they have had Covid, for example. That is because the doctors themselves are in denial. We see it everywhere with no masks at offices of any kind. And no one wants to hear it. Everyone is going to act like this is just the norm. Then of course you have the other side of those who will tell everyone that it's because anyone got the vaccine that they are dying early and suddenly. The problem with their argument is that people started dying suddenly and having heart damage and blood clots, and all of that before the vaccine was ever available.

It does absolutely seem to be shouting into the void for those of us who pay attention. We live our lives and go out a lot, but we always wear a mask indoors. We avoid huge events like concerts and we do not dine indoors. It is a sacrifice, but in the grand scheme, eating outdoors is fine, then there have only been a few concerts that I really miss.

Livid_Molasses_7227

15d

This one can also plummet your T cells into AIDS territory. And a lot faster than HIV does.

The data is all pointing towards this being a chronic infection. Thats the root cause thats fuelling everything else. There's even now the theory that many autoimmune diseases might be driven by chronic pathogens.

nada8

15d

Are you talking about Covid or all viruses?

Livid_Molasses_7227

15d

Covid. Viruses in general are bad though and tend to trigger further medical issues later on.

tweeter10

15d

And I’m so tired of hearing the usual statements of “life is too short”, “tomorrow is not promised so we have to live our life to the fullest” crap that people say when there’s a sudden death or a cancer diagnosis.

It’s basically peoples excuse to ignore the elephant in the room. They take extreme toxic positivity to cope and that’s also unsustainable and terrible advice.

And I’m tired of people telling me I need to live my life because it’d be sad if I died suddenly due to being a homebody and “not living my life”

dielsalderaan

15d

Yep. Maybe, just maybe, life wouldn’t be so short if they actually took care of their health…

Also, I hate that “live life to the fullest” basically means “consume consume consume without regard for others.” Why is not going to restaurants apparently the end of the world? There are so many ways to live a good life that does not involve hurting others with careless consumption. Homebody solidarity!

PlayerNumberZer0

11d

They’re missing the entire point that everyone else missed: “go ahead and live your life, drink bleach if you want to, but this EFFECTS PEOPLE BEYOND YOURSELF! ITS NOT ABOUT YOU!”

If it only affected them then fine, they can live by that statement, but once it has any affect on anyone else, it’s no longer ok.

Why do they think certain laws are in place and you can’t just go up and take some candy from the store without paying because YOLO? Because it affects someone else negatively.

Responsible-Heat6842

15d

Covid is still killing twice that of the flu. Add in long covid, and you STILL have another major threat to your health. The complete disregard to MY health, as well as their own health is beyond unbelievable.

Long covid is life altering and crushing. I'm 3 years into it now, with little recovery. Can't believe we have come to this. 😟

Appropriate_Tart9535

15d

I know at least of 2 relatively health males around the age of 30-35 who BOTH had massive blood clots and were hospitalized ???? They are now on permanent blood thinners…. Of course none of them take any sort of covid precautions but holy shit 2 30 year olds who have BLOOD CLOTS SINCE WHEN.

ProfessionalOk112

Epidemiologist

15d

The biggest thing in my life is people who are older but should have had more time dying. So nobody sees an issue with it, because they were already in their 60s/70s/80s. And frankly I don't like a lot of these people, many of them have treated me poorly my entire life (yay for messy family relationships!), yet I'm the only one who seems to think they shouldn't be dead? It's emotionally exhausting.

tweeter10

15d

Yupp! I think it’s because people are dying much younger now that they think 60s is a long/appropriate age to pass. It’s still too young and it’s wild thinking of how normalized and accepting people are of death now. I know someone who’s grandma just turned 101 when she passed but their family usually lives in their hundreds (Her older sister is 106). Well everyone stopped taking precautions around her when she was about to turn 101 and I find it alarming that after her and her children all had COVID and “survived” because it was “mild”, her health plummeted. Within a couple of months she was put on hospice then passed months later.

The person’s grandma brings up how their 100 year old grandma “survived” COVID when they debate me about COVID not being as harmful as I say, but their grandma shortly passed after her COVID infection? When she was doing really well before her COVID infection. I can’t help but think she had more years of her life left.

ProfessionalOk112

Epidemiologist

15d

I think people always thought of folks as disposable once they weren't useful to capital tbh, which is often around their mid 60s.

But I agree. My great uncle is 97 and his 60 year old son died of covid last year and nobody seemed to think that was weird or bad? Like, he could of had 30 more years!

DovBerele

15d

a quick glance at an actuarial table makes it very clear that even fairly old people don't have a particularly high chance of dying in the short-medium term. like, someone who's 75 and in okay health has something like a 90% chance of making it to 80. so, you'd think it would still be surprising (and sad!) to people if they died at 76.

ProfessionalOk112

Epidemiologist

15d

Yeah I think that's something people often forget too-when we look at life expectancy at birth that's lower than your life expectancy given you've already made it to 60 or 70 or whatever.

Way back in 2020 I remember seeing a study that estimated that people who died of covid lost an average of 10 years. Obviously we can't like verify that since...they're dead...but that feels like a reasonable ballpark to me.

Gullible_Design_2320

14d

Yeah, 61 here, and next week I'm going to a doctor about my aphasia and memory problems. I was expecting to have more time before dealing with this kind of thing.

(Also, being over 60, I hate it when it's mentioned in the media that older are more vulnerable to whatever [Long Covid, worse acute Covid, etc.], and everyone seems to be like, "Come on, they are already more than SIXTY years old, what do they expect?") (A lifespan like that of my parents.)

cccalliope

15d

Yes, it is now socially acceptable to risk death in order to socialize. Unbelievable. Worse I just saw a set of articles today about how we should normalize living with zoonotic disease. It basically says we can't fully end all of these diseases and we keep throwing money at them. Instead we should just learn to "live alongside zoonotic diseases". Freaked me out. This is a new way to "help" us normalize living with a dangerous disease.

DelawareRunner

15d

My high school graduating class was small--about 250 people back in 1993. I'll be fifty this year. Lost two classmates to cancer this past year and one was just treated for prostrate cancer. This is in just a year's time and only ones I know of so far--could be more. One I know well (one who has prostrate cancer). I've mentioned this before, but my 52-year-old cousin died of heart failure a month after recovering from covid. It was almost exactly three years ago today. No underlying conditions. I've had various family member develop health issues after mild covid--type two diabetes, gallbladder issues, and now one has pretty bad mental health issues and her EBV was reactivated after covid. In all honesty, I know very few people (f any) at this point who don't have issues after covid. Of course, I am middle-aged and long covid is quite prevalent in my age group.

Decent_Mammoth_16

15d

A couple we know his wife on her 3rd known covid infection after 6 weeks she suddenly developed Afib she was lucky because she went to a and e a number of times but they couldn’t find a problem but she had an episode while at a and e and managed to get treatment she’s been rushed to hospital a number of times with this and they up her meds she’s been off work for 6 weeks she’s 40 no underlying conditions, healthy weight etc her hubby asked us for information if COVID could of caused this we passed on loads of info, mentioned probably a good idea to mask up and do more mitigation’s than they are doing told us they would think about it ! Then a month ago her husband was rushed to hospital heart problems ended up having a stent fitted he was in hospital for 4 days he’s going to be off work at least 3 months he was told , both still won’t mask up or use any mitigations . I just don’t understand how/why they won’t help themselves to try to stay covid free.

Present_Drummer2567

15d

We have a friend with 3 known Covid infections. She’s had a heart attack after 1 infection, a heart ablation after another Covid infection then this last one she lost her hearing. I asked her if any doctors have associated these things with her Covid infections. She looked at me like I had 3 eyes and wouldn’t answer the question. Her and her husband run around maskless—everywhere!

Decent_Mammoth_16

15d

Update to my a couple weeks ago know post his wife was rushed to hospital yesterday again with afib problems her husband rang my husband to let him know this am , My hubby told him that we are in the start of a new covid wave and covid is rife in hospital ( we are in the U.K. ) his answer was we will be ok !🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

Decent_Mammoth_16

15d

Another update on my post about friends wife who’s been rushed to hospital with Afib problems, her consultant just told her that it’s chocolate that’s causing her problems!

MySailsAreSet

15d

My niece has a heart monitor on this week due to cardiac symptoms and went to er a few days ago. Her son has a murmur apparently now as well. Related to Covid? Very possible. Both have had Covid multiple times.

Livid_Molasses_7227

15d

Yup. And surprise surprise, covid increases the chances of developing cancer.

We are absolutely still in the running for SARS2 being an extinction level event. Its just happening slower than people thought it would. Ridding ourselves with illness, drastically shortening our life spans, and serially infecting with something that destroys fertility...

This combo is not sustainable with ongoing human life.

BeautifulPeasant

15d

In the last year and a half, two people at my workplace (~150? people) have died suddenly. Prior to that, in my time there (3 years) only one person died and it was an accident, pre-COVID. Another co-worker seems to have developed POTS after a bout of what she swears was "bronchitis" last year. Another was hospitalized for months due to an undisclosed issue, another hospitalized after a COVID infection complicated their chronic illness. Yet another person passed out at their desk a couple weeks ago, I overheard them later talking about how their doctors don't know what's going on. Many people are slower at their work and ask dumber questions. But it's all normal guys! It was totally like this before 2020! 🙃

hotteoks

15d

to be completely fair, cancer rates were increasing significantly even prior to the pandemic (esp colon cancer in younger people). i don't doubt that covid is contributing to an even higher rate at the moment. idk if there's any data post 2020, but it'd be interesting to see how things are compared to before. honestly it makes me extremely anxious. also the dissonance of seeing people with cancer not mask is jarring.

Wellslapmesilly

15d

I have two friends under 40 with stage four colon cancer. One just passed away. I know at one of them has had Covid at least four times. Related? Maybe?

PlayerNumberZer0

11d

I have this conversation over and over again but people don’t even notice anyone one else is sick ever. Every time I bring up the 2nd largest Covid wave ever, everyone I talk to says they didn’t notice or know anyone that was sick. EVERYONE WAS SICK! I couldn’t be on fb or talk to any friend that wasn’t sick or talking about someone sick in the family.

I suspected this working retail but confirmed it with a much higher % of people after Covid, people literally do not see anything beyond their own selves. A literally Flying Spaghetti Monster could come down from the sky and speak directly to them and these people wouldn’t even notice.

It’s astounding, eye opening, terrifying, frustrating and very sad

DocumentWorried6474

10d

Long covid seems to be the consensus on these threads. My immediate family of 4 had covid 3 times and have zero long term effects. Same as when we had the flu and never developed long flu. Never has there been a history of a virus or even the plague causing long term heart conditions, autoimmune problems, cancers, blood clots, etc. It's very telling when everyone avoids the elephant in the room and wants to come up with a myriad of reasons why their health has declined since taking the cure because big bird and their favorite celebrities said it would save lives. Now it's long covid. Please. Where are all the pure bloods with these problems? You shamed your families and friends for not taking the poison and now you're poisoned but the same experts who said it was safe and effective have given you a way out. LONG COVID!!!

Pm_me_your_marmot

-12

15d

I mean, I think maybe it's ok? Hear me out. I hate it too, but I also believe in some autonomy when it comes to ending life. If people prefer a short unmasked life then I respect that. We are over populated i guess, so this relieves some of that by people who Knowingly chose to yolo instead of masking?

Idk, I'm trying to see it from a perspective that lets me sleep at night

Edit: Ouch on the downvotes, I think maybe I was unclear? I'm not saying I agree. I'm just saying some times you gotta let go of people who refuse to be careful around you.

I'm not saying not to wear a mask. I n95 always and everywhere. I'm deeply grateful for those who mask around me. I'm just saying some of my family refuses to so I just mask around them and I don't eat with them.

I don't hate them for being yolo. I respect their choice and they will have consequences, like losing my company.

They know it. I know it. It's sad but I'm just saying I can't make anyone be careful if they refuse and I don't hate them for it. I'm just sad for them.

ProfessionalOk112

Epidemiologist

15d

That works for hitting yourself in the face with a hammer but not for contagious diseases because you inevitably take others down with you.

Livid_Molasses_7227

15d

The only problem with that logic is these actions effect and cause harm to other people too.

Say you dont want to wear a seatbelt- okay, fine. You are putting your own life in danger. Its dumb, but whatever. But once you start driving drunk- now everyone else on the road is in danger too and your actions could kill other people or leave them disfigured for the rest of their lives.

Now if we had something actually 100% sterilizing that gave the people who wanted not to get sick the ability to have true immunity against infection- then I'd say everyone have at it. Unfortunately that is still not the case.

tweeter10

15d

Agreed! Although recently I found out that not wearing a seatbelt does impact others in the vehicle with you because in an accident, especially a crash from the front, the unbuckled person can become a projectile that can harm or kill others in the car. 🥴

I think our individual choices can cause harm to others more than people realize or would like to admit.

One example that might work for individual choice not causing harm to others is poor diet affecting health.

tweeter10

15d

But then again I don’t even fully think that’s an example of individual choice when we consider the cost of food and/or the person’s salary or the kind of crap they put in our food that harms our health.

tweeter10

15d

Or if we consider that not everyone is able to make or buy healthy meals or have the support for that. Or that peoples mental or physical health keeps them from having the energy to grocery shop or make themselves healthy home cooked meals.

Ugh it’s almost like a lot of our choices aren’t as individual and we need community oriented thinking

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Boatster_McBoat

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Here's some numbers for cardiovascular disease post covid. There are other increased disease risks post covid.

"Between 30 days and a year after recovery from COVID, survivors were 52% more likely to have a stroke, 63% more likely to have a heart attack, and 72% more likely to develop heart failure. This means that over one year, for every 1,000 people who had COVID, there would be five extra strokes, three extra heart attacks and 12 extra cases of heart failure"

Source: https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/what-to-know-about-heart-attack-and-stroke-risks-a

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