You can see Side with Drakka or Yarra Horizon Forbidden West following this video guide
OMG THANK YOU, this is exactly what I was feeling and it was so frustrating during the last fight as well cuz tbh I didn't feel any connection to any of them and you put all that confusion into perfect words
I picked Drakka and if you do you get an achievement saying he was the better pick
you get that trophy/ achievement for picking either
Why would you even say this when you know it's a lie?
I always choose Yarra because at least she leads well enough. Drakka was not only hot headed but the entire thing was about him having control. I doubt he'd have been the best leader either but imo, the entire situation was his fault to begin with.
It wasn't about Drakka having control, that's just what Yarra mistakenly believed. Drakka was fed up because he felt betrayed, lied to, and helpless, not only because of Yarra, but also his own clan leader not allowing him to attempt other ways of surviving, and he focused it all on, and took it all out on, Yarra.
Conversely, Yarra was extremely stressed with the water crisis she she was (poorly) facing. Either the stress made her paranoid, or Drakka made a good scapegoat, we may never truly know which.
It's a classic example of two sides who are misunderstanding each other and not actually trying to resolve the misunderstanding, jumping to conclusions, assuming the worst, and fighting each other over it.
The SUPER frustrating thing is how Aloy doesn't even try to talk to them. When you have the option to speak to each party she says nothing beyond "Do you really wanna do this?" And we already know they do. She didn't even try to tell Drakka that his stress was making him impetuous, and she didn't even attempt to tell Yarra that the stress was making her paranoid. It was a lazy way to present a "no correct choice" questline. No matter what you decide, it's guaranteed to be based partially upon assumptions. Guerrilla obviously doesn't have experience with writing good morally-gray quest choices like you'd find in The Witcher or something like that, but they tried.
Drakka was point-blank accused of wanting to take control and admitted it was his goal.
Drakka was fed up, understandably. But so was the rest of the clan. He was the only one who wanted to wrangle control. Neither character went about their business particularly well but he is the worst of the two.
nah yarra lied to the entire clan and put everyone in danger. sounds to me like drakka was the only one brave enough to stand up against what was basically a suicidal approach (doing nothing) and come up with solutions like finding more water elsewhere.
Yarra kept a secret to prevent a panic. Drakka's carelessness only caused problems. And he was ready to head straight in and create a bloodbath.
You can complain all about Yarra all you want. It doesn't make Drakka better.
I'm just pointing out who would be a better leader. ;p
Also what panic, the people who found out started working to fix the problem, unlike yarra.
Edit: this thread has made me think it's a better moral dilemma than I initially thought lol.
We all have our opinions on who was better. But this back and forth only demonstrates that neither were perfect. It is a very good moral dilemma, I agree. Neither handled it well.
But what makes Yarra better, in my opinion, is that at least she didn't exacerbate the situation. At least she wasn't the one that was pushing for a tribal slaughter. Just my opinion.
Cheers.
To quote MIB : A human is smart, a group of humans are dumb hysterical animals.
Come out the wound dried : Mass panic on why there is no water and a 100% freeforall brawl with was more dead than one side.
Except like half the tribe members already knew about it and there was no panic. So no lol.
Edit: like for the fight, the tribe literally splits in two. Everyone on what's his face side already knew about the water. Oh wow, no panic.
Cause the game cant handle it. Well more the CPU built into consoles. The game even presses current gen highend CPUs. The PS5 has a Ryzen 2000 refresh in it.
Trying to run about 20-30 NPCs against eachother would have pushed the framerate into sub 30 territory and not much you could do about it as shown with cyberpunk on PS4 and Xbox one.
Can always turn down visuals but the only way to cut back on CPU would be to reduce scale. Which is what we got: No large scale free for all but a small scale fight with 2 teams of 6 people
I appriciate the quote. I took note of it years ago because I thought it was a keen observation. Verbatim it goes…
K: "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
Ah, just did a translated version from a non english version :P
100% agreed. Was hoping this could end up like a Witcher level of quest but they fell wayyyy short. Nothing really happens here.
I chose Drakka because he sent out soldiers to find more water for the clan on his own accord, finding the wound source before Yarra. If Yarra had known about the dried well for weeks and still hadn’t done anything to find it, it felt as if Drakka at least was trying harder to help his people where Yarra was more concerned about staying in power.
She also sent out scouts haha..it's just all the water they found was tainted, like the flooded town up north. She definitely wasn't doing nothing. And his entire motivation is literally taking power, she's open multiple times to a sensible solution
That village south wasn't part of a scouting party. It was a caravan that traded red sand for water. They already knew they couldn't drink what they had, they even said as much.
I didn't mention anything about the village? When Aloy pressed her on the issue she explains she had already made the same attempts he's currently making, thinking she's being apathetic and not trying to solve the issue..I think you replied to the wrong comment haha. My point is his haste and hot headedness comes partially from a good place, looking out for his people, but he causes way more harm than good at the water relay, and once everything is out in the open makes it clear it's just a flimsy excuse for a coup. When you talk to her afterwards she's perfectly chill, & his wise man also regrets it had to come to that but he wouldn't listen Also he's a prick about the kid in danger in the follow up quest.
But how do you know ow he legibly sabotaged it if all he told his man was to find water and the guy messed with it , it's like the oseram in zero dawn at the dam he is a caveman with no knowledge of how tech works , can't blame drakka for what some buffoon did plus his people are the ones that are dying or getting sent to die for hearts for water not Yarras all they do is ration when they get spoils
She seemed like a real bitch to me so drakka all the way
Since there isn't really a clear better choice, I just went with whoever wasn't a total asshole to me lol so it was an easy pick for Drakka.
This makes the most sense to me
I defaulted to strategy because the morality was balanced. If you join a conflict near its conclusion, pick the weaker side so you can exert more influence on the new order after the conflict
Aloy needed immediate help, not eventual help.
Neither helps you in the conflict against Regalla or the Zeniths because internal tension in the Desert Clan.
How evil of you to include spoilers............although I was planning to do every side mission before the end just like the first game to try to get everyone to help out. See how that works out.
She helps if you help the clan out.
Old comment thread, but she definitely helps out in the end.
Yarra is the better person/commander because of how she handle the situations she was in. She had a water shortage, was looking to fix that, and had to maintain the peace in her tribe. She was a leader of a tribe that has to survive in the desert and ration the water she gets. Plus, keep the peace, take on challenges, and etc. Drakka challenge was bad timing. He used his hunters death to challenge Yarra. Drakka saw himself as superior to Yarra. As Aloy, brings up he is willing to lose more life’s to become leader even after he just lost a group of people. Drakka talk about how the tribe would survive the desert but he couldn’t survive his ego.
EXACTLY. I think a lot of people either ignore this or just don't grasp it.
Drakka, he at least cared for his fallen and besides, this game needs a bit more testosterone. 😎
Lol powerful women make you cower that you need to kill them for more testosterone. I fear for the women in your life.
Stop oxymoroning. 😭
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This you?
Pretty common tbh, idk what the thought process is of whipping out cock and expecting it to be attractive. Iv made a couple of friends on here that are chill but occasionally there are some people who will just show you dick because yeah idk, I’m a guy btw. No one is safe.
Lying about being a woman on the internet, you should get help
LMAO this has to be the funniest conversation I've read through, people complaining that there aren't enough good enough men just because the MC is a "chosen one" character type. Erend, Varl, Rost, Avad (literally a king btw) are good enough on their own based on the context of what they were born with. They just aren't literally tribal Jesus.
Oof! A wild blue hair has arrived! BACK FOUL BEAST!! Back from wence you came! From the filth returns to filth, you shall not pass!
Meds. Now.
I don't think you know what an oxymoron is
you are ridiculous
It's a Western AAA game though, in Horizons's world women are superior to men both in strength and intelligence so by picking Drakka you're picking the inferior leader and inferior fighter.
This only applies to the Nora, which holds Motherhood/Women in enormous importance.
Explain then why the male characters across all factions are weak compared to female characters, even Hekkaro looked pathetic against Regalla. Male characters on average are either weak, evil with barely any explanation, failures, incompetent, serial complainers, or pussies. Female characters on average are strong, successful, always take the initiative, always have the right position in an argument, always have excuses written in for anything questionable they do, etc, etc. Even the random passing NPC dialogue is male characters whinging about something and female characters beating their chest about strength, duty, honour, etc.
That would be a result of 'woke' writing. In terms of canonical setting and cultures, only the Nora explicitly hold womanhood/motherhood as their leaders.
The Carja have their Sun King, the Oseram don't give a shit, and the Tenakth only care about how good you kill and might makes right, and the Utaru just do their own thing.
100% FW left a foul taste in my mouth.
That’s not even true lmao there’s multiple villages that have woman complaining and kotallo wasn’t weak neither is varl or erendb the main men in the party so what are you even talking about kotallo was fighting with one arm for half of the game too. Hekkaro was old. The zenith were all evil even the woman so that’s stupid to say “all the men are evil for no reason” what other characters got excused made for them on top of that I’m doubting you even played the game
Kotallo was decent until the stupid scene of him climbing a mountain with one arm, that aside he's still a cripple and refuses to use the arm he creates, the writing is dumb af. Erend is just a loud oaf that's always making out that he isn't much use and inferior to Aloy, and Varl is just there to be Aloy's emotional support and cheerleader.
Hekkaro is twice the size of Regalla and can't even parry her sword without almost being ragdolled.
All that aside the game is an utter bloated slog with ridiculous grind required for upgrades, it's basically Nu AssCreed with worse combat and double the grind.
Barret literally climbs mountains in ff7 with one arm Where’s the outrage ?? lol he does use the arm in every scene In the finale he has it on. Hakkaro best regalia already and it’s obvious he’s not the fighter he was anymore he even says that . Also almost every story related upgraded is acquired through the main quest outside of weapons and outfits. So what are you even mad about
FF7 is retarded as well and i barely saw Kotallo anywhere during the finale. And the reason he barely ever uses the arm is because he's the disabled person checkmark and always having the arm attached would take away muh representation.
Hekkaro is twice her size and a veteran, he should easily crush her, end of story.
Stop being a disingenuous pos, you know full well I'm talking about weapon and armour upgrades not the fucking shine sparker or snorkel.
- Definitely not the point of the thread
- Hekkaro doesn't want any more bloodshed which makes him hesitant, If anything the entire civil war boils down to a woman being vindictive (oh where have we heard that before)
- If it were a guy main character the game would be the same, quit belly aching over this female superiority bullshit and just enjoy it without your prejudices.
man the incels have arrived
I agree. It gets old seeing all these women all the time. 😂
Y’all are so weird… it’s fictional crying that women are a lead in a game with a female protagonist is stupid
I mean seeing Aloy's face in general just makes me think of 2 1/2 men intro so call that what you will.
YEP
Chose Drakka and for the following reason: Imagine your country has the very first case of covid and your president instead of telling the nation decides to hide It because It was an election year and he/she feared losing It. And when the nation learned It there was already mass spread contaminations... Can't side with that.
Drakka is not a good choice but Yarra lost any reason for a fear that she might not be top dog anymore
This was by far the best argument for Drakka I've read, but i still think he makes a bad choice. I'd prefer a coward over someone who gets everyone killed for absolutely no gain.
You almost described what happened here. :)
That's one of the worst comparisons to make. The idea of something suddenly existing is light years less threatening than something no longer existing. Wars have been waged over much less than water. What Yarra was doing was biding time - the moment Drakka saw, he practically tried to start a war himself!
I picked Drakka because men are better leaders /kappa
Not when they are arrogant and reckless they are not.
or senile.....:D
I hate having to choose. I wish you could just walk away. It is stupid. I don’t want anything to do with it.
Sorry to necro, but it seems like the only thing that actually matters is that Yarra is not intending to support Hakkaro in the war against Regalla, only send like two marshals. That would be total violation of her culture and that whole other mission with the sky clan was about Aloy forcing the sky clan to do so.
Drakka's gonna help Hakkaro. That seems like it would be Aloy's main concern?
All the comments are right. There is no truly 'right' choice. Can't say I ever loved being forced into a decision. Before I even got to the final decision I was thinking "I hope I can just leave them to their mess and not pick a side", but walking away apparently isn't an option either. Bad design. I'm choosing Drakka because I believe he didn't try sabotaging or forcing the encounter, despite my reservations on the whole situation.
Ugh this is such a pointless stupid choice that has no real difference in the end
I doubt anyone is going to read this, but personally, after both playthroughs I would choose Drakka. Both are hotheaded and stubborn. Both are worried about rep and control. Both should have backed down. And both have better characters development in the following quest. My choice is because of a few things; 1. As leader, regardless of the possible panic, Yarra should not have lied. People were DYING. That's like finding out that there's a plague, and then telling all your followers that it doesn't exist. 2. As leader, immediately jumping to the conclusion that someone is sabotaging you, even with only the most minimal and inconclusive evidence, is a VERY BAD mindset. Especially when someone who is probably the closest thing to an expert on the subject, tells you not to do so. 3. People keep saying that Drakka wanted war, and that the only deaths from Yarra's lie was some dehydration. But people were dying just to get the hearts as well. And more died trying to get more hearts than usual. 5. And this was a big one for me She was also basically committing fraud & theft, as she continued to demand the same, if not more, payment, while giving less and less water. And gave no reason for it. 6. People keep saying that she also sent scouts out to find a solution, are ignoring one simple fact: If Drakka's man could find it, then Yarra, who has control of a lot more people,as well as a direction in which to look, shoud have easily found it if she actually sent them out. It wasn't relatively far away, and part of it was on the surface. And as far as I remember, there's no evidence that she sent anybody. They already knew that all the other water sources were bad, she didn't need to send scouts to know that! That's why the other villages paid her for the only good source! 7. Her having more leadership experience is not enough reason to chose her. Drakka can learn as he goes, especially with a good advisor. Being a leader long enough can even be a BAD thing, as we know IRL. It often leads to corruption and, who'd have guessed, paranoia, often leading to rival assassinations and military control of the population.
I chose Drakka simply because he was less of an ahole lol. & I just liked Drakka's character better.
In the end as far as gameplay & rewards go the outcome is exactly the same, so it really doesn't matter which you choose.
while Yarra keeping the drought of The Wound a secret thus preventing an all out panic and civil war over the remaining water is understandable, she could have alerted a higher rank than her and have them keep it secret but still work on a plan to source more water. While Drakka also lied to cover his butt, didn't help Yarra in her conclusion jumping. They both care in their own way. And yeah I agree Yarra is way too defensive of her position. I mean who wouldn't be? Both are too stubborn to yield, when long term survival in a desert takes teamwork. Ugh, I hate this choice. this is one of those moral choices that matter to you as a player. Still an interesting quest though
if you ask her, she explains all the things she did to secure more water. she wasn't successful, but she did try. Drakka on the other hand was the reason there was no water to begin, regardless of what his intentions were.
It is not even moral, they are both equally wrong xD
I came here to say this. Yeah Yarra was keeping things under wraps to prevent panic but the water didn't dry up over night and should have acted sooner- and her immediately arresting drakka because she belived he had sabotaged the water for his own gain was urgh. drakka wasn't responsible for the water shortage but he had been looking for a reason to fight yarra which is also urgh. It seems to be an over reacting, under reacting issue. The real issue is that there isn't enough water for everyone and there doesn't seem to be a way to take a third option, which sucks because I liked both dispute them being stupid and head strong- after the fight all I could think about was "well that's a hand full less people that need water"
I love Yarra’s rational that they intentionally sabotaged the well that she also just found and learned was the source of the water with the help of Aloy’s focus.
I do as well! Finding the dead drakka dude there and his spear was the conclusion she came to, and she couldn't be live he hadn't done it on purpose.
Honestly when you figure they all low key have mercury poisoning the tribe makes a lot more sense. The more red paint they wear the more likely they are to be a little nuts.
Mercury is silver, its called Quicksilver for a reason. Its probably lead and that will not only slowly kill you but it can alter a persons behaviour much like any metal poisoning can.
This is a two year old post that you've brought up to correct me.
Cinnabar has high mercury, which is what they used for their red paint.
Also true 😂🤣
Wow, thank you for this comment! I didn't put 2 and 2 together with the mercury comment, I remember seeing something abour "cinnabar" in one of the logs I found but I didn't connect the dots. Dope to think how this affects the behavior of the characters in the area. Thanks for bringing this up!
yeah. in hindsight this quest annoys me. and you have some very good points. I just wish there was a peaceful option
Same! Because there is an area FILLED with water and then there would have been so much of it that rationing it out wouldn't have been necessary anymore. I know that the issue wasn't the water, not really. It was two dickhead butting heads who would have tore the clan apart for it. But somehow helping in that way would have been nice
yeah I agree. the only good option is by picking the peace option it reduced the massacre to only the arena, so there's that at least -_-
I know I am late. But she didn't scoop drakka up until he pushed his way to the well and started making an uproar that the water was gone. I was on Drakka's side most the way. But that was suspect of him. He shows up and tries to cause a stinks. Idk. I really think it's just 2 people with misguided views trying to do what's best. I feel like I'm starting to go on a circle... I am currently at the screen where I have to pick sides. I guess imma kill one of these fools... r.i.p.
Just keep in mind they're both suffering from lead poisoning and it makes their actions a lot more tolerable. In the end it really doesn't matter who lives or dies, the result is the same.
yeah, and they both didn't want the peace option which would be the better-ish solution. Both sides may be wrong but, yeah the lesser of the two? they both lied, but Drakka didn't want the commander role. yeah this one makes you wish the let's all work together solution worked. in my afterthoughts both characters acted rashly and are rather stupid for not having a back up plan for getting water.
true, but we are forced to pick a side. ugh...
My first thoughts on Yarra is that it's really bad leadership to not try to find a way to fix the wound. They could see the pipe, they could dig and follow it, she is unfit for this kind of trouble that could lead to their doom. Maybe she is a great leader in other things.
After seeing the different options: The beginning (Side with Drakka) made Drakka look like a douche with fists in the air etc. The "I have been waiting for this a long time" sits wrong with me too.
But when you side with Yarra she forcefully stabs him so quick after the fight. Like dang she's angry.
I try to think about Jetakka too, I feel like he cares a bit more about Drakka and since I feel like I spent more time with him in the end, that's why I chose Drakka 🤣
Jetakka cares about Drakka but he does not agree with him at all. Not even in the slightest. He thinks he is not irrational for asking for more water, but they he is to forceful in looking for a fight. He constantly tries to stop Drakka from going down the path he is but he will not listen. He wanted leadership and he wanted power at all cost because in his mind as he said He was better, he should lead and he is a better fighter. Yarra is a bad leader thing is completely overblown you aren’t a bad leader based off 1 bad decision and from all accounts in every other area she was good. Dessert life is hard and she had a weight on her shoulders that Drakka could not comprehend because he was a follower. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. If you ever let Her survive you will learn more about how much she cares about her people. It’s not black and white at all. Once she survives and you go on the next big quest for her you see her softer more calculated side. She was just on edge because of the stress of the situation they were in. You can tell after it’s resolved she isn’t normally like that.
yup Jetakka already understands the burden of leadership Drakka does not and is rash.
Thank you for your input! Next playthtrough I'll choose her!
Completely agree with this. Everyone is saying how she’s a bad leader but I’m this thread I haven’t seen anyone point out that once he discovered the water source and a minion totally blew it he covered up the mess when discovered and failed to admit any role in the disaster. Took zero responsibility, then acted stubbornly as though he deserves leadership. Would pick Yarra any day.
I sided with Yarra but I don't think Drakka knew what his guy had found or that he broke anything important. No one knew that pump station fed the well. They didn't understand how the well worked at all.
Yeah but after he found out it was connected to the wound he still didn’t take any responsibility. In the same breath he said he had nothing to do with it and also that he sent the guy out to find the water. Yeah he didn’t know he was doing anything wrong but in hindsight he should have but he wouldn’t admit it
Why would you expect him to take responsibility for something someone else did without his knowledge or say so? If i send my friend to the store with money to buy me something and it turns they stole it instead am i supposed to say hey arrest me its my fault? Also in my opinion Yara barely redeemed first impression and even that was fleeting as soon as she turned irrational…havent chosen yet but I’m leaning Drakka myself
Thanks this made it easier to make a decision. Yarra has a much more holistic perspective on the situation, truly cares for her people and knows her stuff. Drakka on the other site is an irresponsible hothead who doesn’t listen to reason and is not taking any responsibility for breaking the well. He acted like a willful child and not a very smart one at that.
Yeah... When you save Drakka and go on the next quest, you realize he just wants to look good for the tribe. And he realizes he was a douchebag to Yarra. I saved Yarra first, based on my own principles.... But i won't lie, for entertainment, i enjoy siding with Drakka.
Drakkas response after the fight isn't much better. He pulls and releases an arrow in like a second with a deadpan face. Not a shred of emotion or hesitation. These Tenakth are cold hearted bastards.
She had to stab him right away, he was about to back out of the deal. He had lost the small battle and agreed to keep the larger squad out of it. Alloy says "It's over give up" and he says "(smugly)Not just yet...". If she had let him continue on talking, he would have called for backup/civil war.
I just did this mission and I picked drakka because Yarra was too defensive that she seemed more paranoid of losing her position than worried for her people. I'm not sure about Drakka after what Yarra said but so far he actively showed support for the people more than she did. He felt like the best option in the end.
She wasn't the only one worried about losing the position. Drakka in a quest after you choose him, cares more about public perception than finding a kid. At least at first
I haven't gotten there yet but when you jump to leader suddenly I guess everyone gets in their head at first 😅
I chose Drakka and after the battle I was very very happy with his response. Yarra seemed like all she truly cared about was staying commander. Not her people.
The very next mission you see that it her who truly cares about her people. Drakka after cares about public perception over saving a kid. Her response to saving the kid is way better than his is.
1 kid over an entire tribe is where my mind goes. Anyone would try to save a kid of course but drakka also has the overall image of the entire tribe in mind.
Only issue is the way the scene plays out Drakka makes it clear it isn't a "the clan over one person" issue. Its more like "Oh, awesome if Aloy saves this child, the village will love me." Aloy even questions his response and reminds him the WHOLE clan is his responsibility not just his position. His attitude towards it being more a PR mission just rubbed me the wrong way.
Now I'm regretting Drakka
Yeah I was really torn so I wanted to know what consequences happen and for the most part they're equal, but after I saw the cutscene after that mission and how different Yarra responds (she sends their village extra water too) I was so disappointed
yet he's he one willing to throw away so many tribe members lives for his own glory. he claims to care about the tribe, but everything he does gets them killed.
The second time around I chose Yarra.
She has just as good of a response after as well, her first words are his people will get water before anyone else.. She definitely cared a lot more about the big picture, he's given multiple opportunities to admit his man caused the draught but wants command more than any sensible option..even at the cost of his men's lives..haha
Hmph very interesting! So either way they get water. If I ever play through again she'll be the one to live lol
Tbf he caused the draught but she was accusing him of sabotage not a mistake.
But wasn’t the draught already happening? Yarra said it was weeks since the well started to dry up. But the corpse we find can’t be more than a week old at most. Did drakka’s man make it worst? Absolutely. But even Aloy says he didn’t know what he was doing, probably thought he was fixing it. And drakka never knew because the guy legit died right outside, never even made it back to the dessert proper.
Yarra was b**** and I like the actor who voiced Drakka so I sided with them. Her head would be a nice trophy for his spear. 🙃🙃
It doesn't matter eiher way just pick who you like, i chose Yarra.
Chose Yarre because that little shit Drakka had me fighting a Thunderjaw and then a Stormbird halfway through. Fuck that guy. I wish Yarra had made his death last longer. These Teknakth kill the loser too quickly.
And he didn't even help with the thunderjaw. He just kept running over to where I was, crying about nonsense and causing the dino to attack me. Infuriating.
For real though lol. Im trying to set traps to lure it in and here comes drakka giving away my position and getting attacked.
I took no pleasure on chosing sides.
Drakka. He's a little headstrong, but he's ultimately right. In his shoes, I'd probably do the same thing.
Plus, Yarra rubbed me the wrong way when I met her.
Drakka ftw. Plus, this way, he should owe me a favor later.
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Exactly. And no matter how many times Aloy was like "hey, they don't know what pipes are - they couldn't know they were breaking the wound", she was CONVINCED that he did it on purpose.
Like people can just be accidentally stupid, lady.
The Yarra/Drakka dynamic definitely reminded me of Sylens and Aloy. Especially with Drakka’s mindset that there’s always a way out of the impossible
Choose Yarra. Something about how he know there was something up with a water source, or atleast a potential water source, and didn't let anyone else know rubbed me the wrong way. If he's supposed to want to lead the entire clan, he's got a REALLY short sided view in only helping his small sect. Made me think he'd only help his friends.
And I totally thought he was lying about someone telling him they found it and not him...super convenient.
Right. People kept saying Yarra was hiding things. She was in command, and attempting to prevent panic and disaster. He was hiding his discovery and knew he’d had a role in creating disaster but didn’t care. He came off like an impulsive idiot undermining someone for cheap shots at authority for me. She’s justifiable furious about some hot head who wants power and thinks he’s smarter than her, and a little fixated on it
Tbf his people where owed water he had no clue that the wound was dry as such keeping a possible water source for his people secret makes sense when the leader of the tribe is holding out on your people.
I didn’t believe that anyone knew what the facility was. It was miles away from scalding spear and no one knew what pipes were until Aloy discovered it. The only way anyone would have known about the facility beforehand is if Sylens led them there
It was miles away from scalding spear
Old comment, but no way that's true when you can run there in under 5 minutes.
Drakka seems like the best choice. Sure he is a hot head, but he isnt the one lying to keep power.
She was lying not to cause panic and when the truth was told. What happen? He promptly acted like the hot head he was and started a civil war even though his own warrior out of pure ignorance made the water crisis infinitely worst. Not only that he was already plotting on the throne for the longest amount of time even before the water crisis. He should lead and “I know I’m the better fighter” I had to scrape and claw for everything out here as if she didn’t earn the right to be leader. It’s a reason she was leader to begin with she earned it.
I mean, most of the time you can definitely tell he’s lying lol
omg the stupidity. All of you complaining that u can't pick a third option just shows how just so stupid you guys are. They are a warrior tribe period and sometimes heck most of the time no amount of words can change a situation. Just look at politics you tell facts to lets say a lefty and they will say Racist and not act rational. Its a good quest of course i would like them both to be alive but it just can't be and its awesome to show the player sometimes you can't help.
Hahah I mean, it's kind of ironic that you're literally being just as close minded & defensive as they are, the fact you immediately force an unrelated quest into a petty political jab kind of says a lot..
Especially since youre making it seem like the right wing is the fact based party..as if it doesnt have evangelical unconstitutional zealots that try to use religion over science, anti vaxxers risking lives over nonsense, literal fascists commiting treason and attacking the capital..climate deniers, flat earthers..on and on.
Totally rational actors that care about facts, definitely. Yes, lefty's have annoying overly PC hippies that may overreact sometimes about words, it may be irrational sometimes but at least they're basing it on reality, racism & hate crime IS a serious issue in the US, thats more than any of the aforementioned groups can say about their crap they freak out about.
Regardless, maybe try and rethink your preconceived notions and logical process, you clearly have a deeply ingrained bias if you're jumping to that out of nowhere.
Yes, they're a warrior culture and it's totally reasonable this has to be settled this way, even if WE know it's incredibly stupid to waste manpower over a petty dispute. But he's making a naked play for power because he doesn't understand the necessity of maintaining stability in a crisis, and doesn't acknowledge the role his man played in exacerbating it (that means to make it worse) She's definitely the preferable choice.
Homie said one comment about some on the left mislabeling people as a way to avoid conversation and instead label otheres as evil(enemies etc..) and you proceeded to do significantly worse. The irony is palpable. His point was clear that sometimes political beliefs or ideology makes people incredibly aggressive and unable to even comprehend othere views.
Hence drakka thinking that yara was holding out on them. And then instantly assuming the worse of her once he found out what happened. And yara instantly assuming the worse of drakka once she saw his guy. And then taking it a step further by arresting him.
You're adorable getting all up and arms and writing a novel that Im sure someone will read. 😂😂😂 Idc what you say about the right or left Im on neither side so you can sit there and complain about the right idc lol. ✌️
There is no “neither side” unless you are literally checked out from reality
My solution would’ve been to let them fight it out in single combat
If you get called a racist that's because you're being racist. Denying that fact in favour of uninformed opinion becuase you're offended is not rational. You lost whatever credibility you thought you had. Telling you chose to ignore the conversation after getting called out and corrected...
Sure whatever this pertains to Im sure Id care truely 🤣🤣🤣.
In the end i chose Yarra because Drakka wanted the challenge.
Up to making my decision I was in Drakka's camp. I've quested with the guy and he seemed like a cool dude. He was just looking out for his settlement. But then the conversation turned and he said something. Yarra replied something to the effect of "See, he doesn't care about a resolution. He just wants to be chief." At that point my allegiance switched to Yarra. Let's just say that she isn't gentle with her fatality.
Same. Even though Yara was a little brash during the initial meeting with Aloy, Drakka owed Aloy a huge solid after having her do a ton of favors that weren’t easy to accomplish, i.e. collecting machine hearts and then taking down a whole thunderjaw. The least he could’ve done to return the favor was stand down. It was an easy decision for me.
I didn’t like Yara from the beginning with her high pitch voice, she’s always angry and screams all the time, she annoys me, Drakka is more calming and reasonable even if he’s a stupid, the clan is better without Yara and that’s my personal choice.
So.... you just don't like women?
no le gustan las personas que están siempre enojadas y gritan todo el tiempo, no se porque sacaste esa conclusión.
What the.. ? I clearly said my reasons, I did not said this is about a man or a woman.
She has a high pitched voice, so she should die?
Both characters are angry all the time. You just weren't annoyed at a guy being angry.
No they’re not angry all the time. Obviously you’ve been skipping the dialogue. That’s your problem to figure it out.
Drakka is burning with rage and ambition the entire time. I never skip dialogue. 🤷🏻♂️
The high pitched voice jab is blatant misogyny bruv
Chose Yarra because I didn’t believe Aloy should be in the business of playing Kingmaker. Drakka let his ambitions be known and always wanted the crown. From the initial meeting Aloy dismisses his advance for his support. One bad decision by a leader is not enough to oust said leader especially when you consider the philosophy of survival of the Desert Clan.
Drakka challenged because he saw no other way out of his situation knowing full well that even though he wasn’t directly responsible for the water shortage, he still sent out emissaries to find some, and based on his personality if he found some he would almost certainly go to war with Yarra to try and take the water from Scalding Spear as well.
Yarra on the other hand may have come off harshly but ultimately she was a hard as nails leader. Someone who I felt by the end was willing to do everything to maintain order. In a militaristic society like the Tenakth, I’d pick Yarra ANY DAY.
“As leader every death hangs on my shoulders” she says. Meaning she was bearing a burden not many knew. And then when she finally gets help, it’s from a Nora girl who coincidentally helped out her biggest challenger. Her suspicions were understandable considering the situation and stress.
The whole “Drakka was cool” argument is a bit misguided imo. There’s a lot of cool people that would make awful leaders. Drakka’s cavalier attitude and frankly unserious nature whilst playing politics behind closed doors no less is a sign he didn’t respect the order. There’s a time to fight for revolution of course but when coupled with personal glory it’s a recipe for disaster.
It was easy to side with Yarra for me. She was already the leader, she (eventually) accepted the help and the problem was fixed. Aloy tried her hardest to fix the outcome but ultimately Drakka was an upstart who conspired to overthrow. Had he not been arrested he would have never challenged and would have continued to conspire until he had an army to take over.
Most sensible comment I’ve read so far
My thoughts too. Drakka wanted to use the water to challenge Yarra, even though he knew it would be civil war. He was fine with people dying til it allowed him to challenge her.
Maybe he did not know hos man wrecked the supply, maybe he did. What he did know is that Scalding Spear and the rest of the clan was slowly dying of thirst, and he was withholding information about where to get water so he could have a chance to be chief.
This!!! All good points. As far as I'm concerned, Drakka was too eager on everything. When you first met him and followed to help him in his quest, he said something about replacing Yarras command and making Aloy take his side. She literally just came to your tribe and you're already asking to overthrow your leader. That rubs me the wrong way.
First of all, I don't know Yarra and making Aloy decide right then and there without knowing the character personally is just off.
Second, instead of finding a way for a peaceful solution, he goes and challenges her without understanding why she hid the truth. If he wanted to be a leader, he would try to at least understand. Do I agree with Yarra completely? No. But I understood. Drakka never even tried. It made me question did he really cared about his people.
Third, his people. Aloy pleades him to chill out since his literally sacrificing them left and right, and it's not about the water anymore in the end. It became ambition. It's sad.
Yarra is the better pick imo.
Just came across this point in the game (went off on a rather long binge of playing DOTA 2 and other games and made it a point to comes back to this game) because I managed to hold off doing the main quest line and have been exploring the map. This comment was excellent and exactly the reason(s) as to why I picked Yarra.
I chose Drakka. In my mind, Yarra was a bit too hot headed, especially as a commander, and I believe Drakka genuinely didn't know anything about the issues with the water. He seemed to really care about his soldiers, too.
At least they kept the body count to a minimum. No joy resolving that situation.
Headcannon says Sylens led Drakka’s soldier to the water facility, so the desert clan would be divided and can’t help in the fight against Regalla
This is galaxy brained
Honestly that is the only logical conclusion. The petty politics of who leads while in a water crisis felt far to trite to be a major storyline in HFW. Sylens has always been pulling the strings and since Regalla is from the Desert Clan the majority of her supporters and sympathizers would also be from there. It would either push who ever was leading towards Regalla as a solution or the strife of clan war would have people running to her anyways.
My question is if the ensuing battle or any of the aftermath is different if you choose to try to get them to stand down first?
Was there a battle after? I think they agreed that it would just be a fight between Drakka and Yarra and it wouldn't go any further when I played. Maybe that's because I tried to get them to stand down, like you said.
I chose Yara because this is my dogs name, lol
This helped me choose somehow.
Helped me LOL
Where's the choice to walk away? That's literally all I wanted to do. If it was an option I'd walk away. I already tried to get them to call it off. I will not pick a side, I will leave them to destroy themselves. I've got better things to do than pick sides between 2 bad choices. This isn't a vote for MY government. Otherwise I'd pick the least worst option.
I didn’t like how Drakka was talking to me so I chose Yarra 🤣
Neither are a good option really. The result is the same either way, but Drakka is inexperienced and doesn't know how to lead. Yarra was once a capable leader but now is paranoid that everyone is out to get her.
Pick Drakka and he admits leading is harder than he thought. Pick Yarra and she'll have a fresh paranoia after.
I’m just gonna say this:
Yarra V Drakka is a Trial by Trolley, a Trolley Problem like none other.
Yarra used dishonesty in an attempt to keep the peace.
Drakka was willing to allow more to die to take over.
Both sought means to solve the water crisis.
Ultimately, I sided with Yarra. As much as Drakka seems to care for the members of his clan, he doesn’t exhibit one of the more important traits of a leader, that is, to back down and accept when you’ve done something wrong, even if you didn’t intend harm.
Yarra’s decisions, though self-serving to a degree, appear to only have had the worst case side effect of people dying of thirst.
Yarra is pretty clearly the worse option in my opinion
It would be easy if you think you're living in a post apocalyptic world and how would you feel when your water authority has infinite amount of water and still its sending drop worth water to your town?
Me? I would gather as much people as I could and burn down the fucking authority.
I just read through most of these comments. I was leading towards Yarra cause she’s been their leader and knows how to act when shit hits the fan. I like Drakka his heart was in the right place but he was to stubborn and wanted more.
As much as I felt like Drakka was a hothead, I still picked him because I think Yarra's paranoia is ultimately more harmful. Once he takes on the responsibility, you can see Drakka start getting more grounded, realizing all that Yarra had been carrying. But the immediate assumption that Drakka would intentionally sabotage the water for the entire tribe just to try to take her place? That suspicious nature was never going to fully go away, certainly not in the kind of environment they endured. Drakka's issues are really just naivete and the fire of youthfulness, but he's got the right heart for the job imo
I ended up going Drakka because I liked him more and glad I did as for all Yarra's "He just wants to see me replaced" which I originally felt bad for her reply was she'll never give up command and even threatened with her men which showed she too was willing let men die to keep her place.
Drakka may lack experience but I feel he is young enough to learn where as Yarra is likely to only get worse with age in regards to her paranoia.
Had to read here before making a decision.
It's so hard 🤣 becoz either sides is ubworthy I kill them both if it were an option and make Jetakka the commander 🤣
Im trying to make this choice right now and its tough but im leaning Drakka, feel more bonded to him and he was less aggravating on our mini-mission or at least he won me over more than Yara. Mostly i just came here to make sure Drakka didn’t do it lol
This is worst fucking quest ever designed makes absolutely no sense - and especially since you fight on a side that isn't your tribe. Shit felt so wrong and made me mad
IMO, it came down to ONE key factor for me: The entire reasoning behind WHY Yarra wanted to fight/kill Drakka in the first place. The main reasoning builds up all throughout the quests and becomes "he sabotaged the water". Drakka insists he didn't....and, really, there's no evidence to show that he DID, so.... going the way the court system in the US would handle it, Drakka would probably be found innocent. There's no proof that he did what Yarra claims, thus, Yarra ...........IMO...........is in the wrong here. They have water, SHE is still commander... it's on her to LET THIS GO. Be the bigger person and WALK AWAY FROM THE FIGHT. Let the little boy spit on you and talk behind your back... ..but when you start accusing him of things he MAY HAVE NOT and PROBABLY ---REALLY--- DID NOT do..................that's when it's too much, sorry. You just can't do that as leader.
Me, I believed Drakka did not purposefully sabotage anything, so again, ....being as that was the main reason for Yarra wanting to kill him, it was an easy choice for me. She was CLEARLY the one IN THE WRONG HERE. Thus, I go with Drakka regardless of if he's experienced or not, regardless of any flaws he might have, regardless of anything. He's not the one, technically, in the wrong here, Yarra is.
But I'll throw my hat in with what most have said here: The whole mission is stupid in that they didn't allow you to have a third option or some way to avoid the whole thing.
Lying to everyone was uncalled for, Yarra should have not taken payment for water she didn't have and told the truth.
Don't know what the purpose off this choice was... But I chose Drakka cause Yarra was so annoying during the pipe following quest, she was constantly saying stuff like "WHERE ARE YOU GOING?" and "OH YOU'RE BACK!" and all other kind of cocky shit whilst I was just following the pipe straight, didn't even stop to fight anyhting...
Did everyone miss the fucking spear slammed into the lever to sabotage it by Drakka's man.
Yeah, because he certainly knew that this facility miles away from Scalding Spear was somehow attached to the Wound. He definitely knew that his man, acting on no orders to do so, was the one that almost doomed the clan to die of thirst. These barbarians who know very little about technology definitely had a perfect understanding of that butied pipe system.
At worst, it was a mistake made in ignorance. At best, it was an attempt to provide more water to their people - followed by a mistake made in ignorance.
It doesn’t matter who, that’s the point. It’s supposed to be the grey area where they are both looking out for the greater good but fallible in their own ways. The desert clan will suffer the loss either way but they’re literally raised on hardship so don’t think they’re surprised. At the end of the day it’s the people who matter anyway. Whoever was in charge wouldn’t matter cuz that water was not coming back without Aloy.
Yarra. She isn't perfect but definitely has more leadership qualities. Drakka is putting other people's lives on the line bc he doesn't agree with Yarra. He can't win with intelligence, so he is desperate to try by brute force, at the cost of the tribe. I think Yarra would concede leadership if the majority of the tribe wanted her to step down.
You know I wish aloy had the option to walk away and take neither side. The whole time I’m thinking these ppl don’t even know… aloy wyd!? This pissing contest isnt going to even matter if aloy doesn’t get Gaia her subordinate functions. Like yall need to be fightin’ machines, not each other.
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This is very annoying. There are no changes for the game. The end result is somebody is dead. Not exiled - but dead.
Both of them are questionable. Drakka has no idea what it means to lead and Yarra has no trust in the people she leads.
What is the point of this choice?! Grr!