Well this was actually a multiplayer game with a friend. He tried to do that and got beaten up by AI š¤£ After he gave up, I kept playing on the save in singleplayer.
The only reason AI didn't declare war against me is that Contingency is still there. I closed borders so no one is able to go there, and AI isn't smart enough to jump into that system. Or maybe they just don't want to attack the crisis.
Have you heard the good word of our lord and savior āEnd of the Cycleā?
How do you get it tonsoawn
Take no Shroud Patron and take Become the Crisis. As far as I'm aware these are the only ways to boost the odds.
IIRC there is a base 1% chance to get it every time you enter the shroud without a patron (it may be 1% every time you seek one however) and Become the Crisis gives it another healthy boost
Doesn't that patron literally destroy your empire after 5 years? That would be one hell of a race against time.
It destroys your empire in 50 years. Use the Aether engine before that.
Eat the cake before it is eaten by them?
Galactic uno reverse card
Yoink.
My headcanon is that the activating the engine fulfills your end of the bargain, because it is literally the end of the galaxy, which is what he end of the cycle is trying to accomplish.
If there is a leftover colonizable planet after the 50* years pass remnants of your empire will flee there to escape the inevitable, if not then gg.
Yes, every populated world is lost and so is all your territory, you are then given a random habitable world (if one still exists) with like 20 pops
Did this in an MP game where I played a mega corp, failed to wipe the galaxy before the cycle ended, and still won lol. Fun fact, ending the cycle has no effect on branch offices last time I checked
You won't be able to keep branch offices though, since everyone hates you after triggering the reckoning
Edit: this is incorrect
the key is vassals, you can basically outsource the majority of your industry before the event hits
According to the wiki:
All subjects of the Shroud-Marked empire will become independent.
.... Well then I am genuinely unsure of how the hell I kept my offices
Because you get reduced to one system and the AI won't (far as I know) declare war unless they share a border with you, so they don't use Expropriation to kick you out.
As a couple folks have pointed out, it's 50 years, not 5. I've never had the event, plus I usually play gestalt and materialist, so I'm not familiar with most shroud events.
Join the federation, rise to power and take control of the fleets.
Everyone is like -1000 to me because of genocide š
Maybe I'll be able to join the federation in 1000 years
The more evil you are the smarter you gotta play, otherwise the evil gets it.
Well then, I think it might be safe to say you're fucked.
It sounds like you fucked around, and are about to find out.
Oh dear, it appears to be the consequences of my own actions
"Why does everyone hate me? I'm just trying to exterminate everyone. See I told you the aliens were plotting to take over!"
Have you tried not being a genocidal fuck that pisses off literally the entire galaxy and the crisis?
Lol
Will see how angry they are when I turn every sentient species into tv dinners
Better be Stouffer's. If not, I'm coming to bomb your planets myself.
Instructions unclear: planets = cracked
Reddit triggered by half of the gameās mechanics being used
Whoās triggered?
The colossus, over a planet
I hate xenos like that
My strat at that point? Stay small, build tall and CRUSH EVERY PUNY FLESH RACE UNDER OUR ALLOY FIST.
Just give them free stuff
Literally 2003 Iraq lmao
R5: AI formed a galaxy spanning federation. I should be able to win if I could take those empires one by one. But if I declare war against the federation, it's like this.
I had a play through go the same way, i was friends with half the galaxy. Then two of the largest empires formed a federation and immediately declared war on me. They had way too many fleets sadly.
In my current save I am super overlord and there was another super overlord who I was friends with, until my idiot vassal who I had accidentally turned on all wars for declared war on them and for the first few months I was not able to multitask like the ai was. When I gathered my fleets, equivalent fleet power turned into pathetic, I stole one of their vassals home systems, and then ten years later I stole all of their vassals with secret fealty and then vassalised them. We are all friends now as I wait for the crisis to spawn, and I have promptly turned off all wars for that vassal.
how i win wars vastly outnumbered is by stacking combat disengagement chance and having shielded fortress worlds on my borders. usually the AI will park their damaged fleets on the fortress world bombarding it for a century while i repair my fleets
Ah the Bakhmut strategy.
Get a veteran defender general for an extra 50% orbital damage resist
One way around this is to declare the Galactic Imperium, which disbands all current federations. Obviously this won't work if you're already a crisis aspirant or if you're a genocidal empire.
Yes. That what ābeing in a federationā means, you deranged warmongering lunatic. Tech up first, shoot down later.
I even just skip the latter part predominantly. Make myself emperor, amass a huge fleet to KO the crisis as soon as it spawns and GG. Some variety is nice, but works pretty flawlessly and I still āconqueredā everyone without having to fightā¦at allā¦ Call me a Sith and youāre right because it absolutely works (Iād know, we work in those).
The year is 2840 and he has 30k research. I doubt there is much teching left to be done.
Branching saves. If you're playing Ironman, I'm not sure, but as people have mentioned, fortress worlds. Build stupidly over-armied fortress worlds. But don't put them on your borders. Well, do. But not that. Put them everywhere. You've got +7k metals/month.
Then you build the highest DPS army you can. An enormous one.
Pair that up with your fleet. They're jump capable, right? Right?
Once you've got those, you use jump drives to get behind their defenses, and take planets. Try to take them in more than one system at a time. You're trying to divide up and peel off enemies. If you have world crackers, get cracking.
So you do this, and eventually they'll start dividing themselves up to deal with individual threats. And that's how you beat them, by dividing them up.
Then became a Galactic Emperor. All federations would be disbanded. Then upgrade stability of your Imperium and proclaim Pax Galactica so the members of the Galactic Imperium wouldn't be able to attack you.
I love it how people navigate themselfs into a bad situation and then are like "how do i stop this from going bad" my brother in christ its already bad.
Diplomacy helps to avoid a mess like this
Looking at his eco, it seems like he had his chance to obliterate them before the whole entire galaxy federated mess.
I was about to say: They're barely over fleet cap, 26k in the positive, with positive alloys, too. No reason to go doomer just yet. Gotta prepare a killing field & start churning out ships.
I would just rapidly expand and make more ships of every class. The cap doesnāt really matter. If you need to buy more alloys and pass laws in the galactic community that boots naval weight for diplomacy and your good to go. Pre war you have to claim some systems and just capture all of the systems (plus planets) and end the war. Slowly do this and the entire galaxy is yours.
Not even that... All of his fleets look like they have been prepared for war for a long time looking at both stockpile and fleet power is what I mean. Also I doubt he should be in doom mentality because if he uses a artillery style fight strategy then that big fleet is toast (ai use auto cannons usually), ai love to use the most "powerful" weapons.
The time to fight this was 300 years ago.
You fight this by already having a bigger fleet before war breaks out.
Wrong. You edit the save file to give every species there the nerve stapled trait. Go ahead, afford those fleets as a pile of lobotomized dumbasses. Then welcome them all as new slaves in a few years while your main species rises above the lowbrow menial everyday tasks.
That sounds like a very unsatisfying way of playing, tbh.
I think unsatisfying is understating it, at that point, read a book or watch a movie that's not even playing anymore
Unless you missed 20 million fleet power between the sofa cushions you can go scoop up, thereās no āsatisfying way to playā this.
Taking a loss can be satisfying in its own right. You tried your best but you made some mistakes and the piled up too high, thatās fine. It means your play through actually has some stakes or risk, you didnāt have training wheels and you still made it this far.
The year is 2840.Anyone should have 20mil fleetpower laying around at this point of the game.
In a regular game, sure. But by that point in the game, your system wonāt handle the pops in a normal game and is unplayable.
Thatās the neat part, you donāt
You can but it's extremely difficult. Requires massive economies of scale
You join the federation. Eventually become president then start kicking members out using the very same federation to help you take them down.
I used the federation to destroy the federation.
Sounds oddly familiar
Yeah if you're being genocidal you got to play the political game a bit better and make sure they can't form up like this.
Either that or just devastate them with wars before they can gang up on you.
That too! Destroy potential bloc members before they join up or you reach tier 5 of the crisis.
My boy you have 800k alloys in storage. Just convert them to fleets and you're good to go xD
and 9 million fleet power. Given an intellegent weapons/armor layout, I wouldn't be suprised if he can go 2 or 3 vs his 1 against AI ships.
Jup, you're right. You can easily defeat fleets three times your fleet power by using a good template.
Nearly 900k
Click on the three line button then go to load game and delete the save
hmm, with the change they made to bombardment does the AI still get stuck bombing planets forever if army transports don't arrive? You could focus on picking off army transports from getting there while the bulk of your fleets conquer
Alternatively become the galactic emperor?
3.8 made bombardment damage does an exponentially higher amount of damage, and planets can now surrender if all of the defense armies on a planet are killed. That would not work.
Might work. But I guess I'll still have to fight the fleet in the end?
If I become the emperor, will the entire federation join the war if I declare war to one of them?
IIRC forming the galactic imperium disbands federations
Sounds great! I think I'll try to become the emperor. Thanks for the advice.
Establish the Galactic Imperium. It dissolves all federations
Thatās the neat part
you donāt
You need a systemcraft
No. You need a Nicoll-Dyson beam.
Great answer if you can catch them.
I'm a big fan of systemcraft, but sometimes a Nicoll-Dyson is the only way to go.
Annihilator Lance go Brrrrrr.
Silence, weeb
Break your fleets into positions rather than compositions.
Ships that get up close are all together, same with line ships, same with snipers.
Position your fleets accordingly in the desired chokepoint. Close range ships right on the jump point, lines around the sun, long range after the sun.
Que up more fleets, put all your edicts on for better ships.
Construct fortresses, and make many. You need to buy as much time as you can and delay them as much as possible.
While their fleets are away, go for their borders and capitals, and fucking break all their worlds if possible- make it so they cant possibly replace any ships you lose.
Breaking thier ability to fight the war is a lot easier now with the change to raiding bombardment.
A pop 2 world dosent produce a lot.
Break their economy?
steal their economy
ikr? i decided to roll a necrophage and the rate at which pop stealing happens now is so fast it is literally easier to depop an entire world by stealing the soldiers than bombing the armies directly.
Others have given you good replies so all I'm gonna say is;
The good ending here is you losing this game, the federation successfully wipes out the genocidal empire and peace returns to the galaxy.
More dakka.
Zroni storm caster has gotten me out of some very, very tough spots. Of course that's if you're lucky enough to have gotten them.
Several of these In a row is ridiculous.
You got two options. First of all, you have a massive chongus economy. I guess itās time to just give it all its worth and either make the best of it or die trying.
Convert your tech worlds into alloy and Energy focused worlds, Tech is amazing but if you only plan on making one last stand then you might have as many ships join the fight instead of waiting for a couple extra repeatables. Make a couple stronghold habitats all around your borders, relocate a couple pops there, that way if they try to invade even if they defeat the starbase they are doomed to be stuck in the system for a good while.
Then you make ships. Convert one or two anchorages into shipyards if you have to, the ships have to got to be built Asap.
Or
If youāre in the Galactic community, declare a or multiple federation members the crisis, so theyāll be forced to kill their allies. No one is going to like that resolution but if you have enough diplomatic weight, theoretically itās possible for it to pass. If that doesnāt cripple them outright itāll at least soften them up, or at the very least keep them occupied for a little while
Have you tried becoming the crisis?
Use the downscaled ships mod and their fleets will shrink a whole bunch.
Your playing in 2842? That's crazy, that's like 300 years after the game usually has the end date set.
Broooooo ur at year 2800 with only half a mill fleets. What on earth are you doing. You should easily have that by 2400 no matter the build
Subspace Distortion Bomb
Divide and conquer
Oh that's easy, you don't
I think the biggest testament to your situation is the fact that the moment i zoomed in on the unit of red bars my brain auto qued the elden ring main theme.
You dont, just take all their systems while ignoring the doomstack
I start using the meta combo armor and ancient swarm of missiles , my fleets are 1/2 of nominal fire power but I took out 3x fleets with minumin loss, I use a huge normal Mercenary fleet as bait and first contact troops and 4 with that layout to strike as 2nd wave.
I'm playing on vanilla previous version, not sure it still work on 3.8 as good.
Tactic benefits are: u have to face just hull, kinetics weapon basically useless vs you.
Contro: expensive af since need ancient artifacts to build up, less effective if enemies has a lot of point defences or strike crafts.
Gl
I'd say take out the federation's leader to MIA the fed fleet, but uhh, there's a lot of, not-federation fleets there
Just build more fleets 5head
become the galactic emporer. i think that dispands all feds
The answer is you don't, you die
Unless you already have a comparably sized fleet it will be very difficult to take them on directly. Therefore, raids behind the lines will be your best friend here. Get a couple small, fast fleets together and start capturing territory, bring in several large transport fleets and take their planets. Keep on the move and get the AI to start pulling their ships back to recapture their systems. As they do, you can use your heavy fleets to start picking of the ships that remain. If the AI doesn't pull back then you can start eliminating fleets by conquering their homelands.
This whole tactic assumes that you can sustain the short term losses as the AI invades your territory. It will probably take a long time to put enough pressure on enough of the AI to meaningfully reduce the size of the doom fleet. And depending on how fast you and they trade territory, by the end of the war the core of your empire may end up somewhere else in the galaxy. But as long as you lose fewer planets than they do, I'd call it a win.
Had the same problem.
bundled up every Fleet I had and went for it.
When i was 1 System away, they came to me.
But that Fleet does not move as one, so could attack them when the came out of FTL.
Still lost the game because they had the better economy and more systems than me.
just mage a giga fortress world, and have them tarpit it at a choke point. Then build a cloak fleet and move past them and go bomb/take planets.
sometime you just can't, however i found out that they often split up after taking your border systems uncontested, that's when you can try to catch small part of it until you can finish them
Bro my computer would catch on fire
With ships.
You have a ton of spare resources. Before declaring war build fleets to the point that it destroys your economy and hope you can win before your stockpiles run out.
That's 27.5 million fleet power.
what the hell did you do?
Jesus fucking Christ. I haven't even seen that many ships in my modded playthroughs.
Very carefully.
well the usual anti-doomstack tactic that seems to work against AI is to take your own fleets and constantly run around the doomstack to undo its progress and destroy reinforcement fleets while also running offense on unguarded territories. but this doomstack looks large enough that it could split in half and still have the numbers to resist attrition for years.
surrendering is sometimes the best option in this case
Genocide the smaller members of the alliance one at a time. As the empires die, so do their ships.
If looking for a real answer (many of these comments are obviously jokes or unhelpful), the bad news is that you let this go too far. The good news is that your economic base is extremely strong, and this is still something that is very beatable.
The obvious stuff is: Build out your starbases and max out anchorages with naval logistics offices. Take the domination tradition tree, civics to boost fire rate/damage + naval cap, etc. Consider building lots of fortresses to pump your naval cap as high as possible (9999 cap is an achievable goal with your economy and size!) Late game, spamming science (often via ring worlds) is not a terible idea. The repeatables seem like they're not worth very much, but over time they REALLY add up.
When outnumbered, it is best to build for long-range. Battleships with X-slot weapons and hangar bays, which everything optimized for out-ranging the enemy ships and dealing as much as possible before they can start dealing damage back.
In a different part of the thread, I notice you mentioned that your galaxy has the Contingency. YOU ARE VERY LUCKY IN THIS. Do not let it go to waste. Defeat them and be sure to be the one to take their major artifact. (Obviously that's easier said than done, but it will help enormously).
This artifact vastly increases megastructure build speed by 300% when activated (USE this to build rings and megashipyards and strat coordination centers with that gigantic alloy pile you have), and allows you to build two of every megastructure (allowing for two strategic coordination centers, two megashipyards, etc).
With two megashipyards, you can build 9999 fleet in battleships in <20 years certainly. You obviously have the alloys for it.
When you have the fleets, attack them first, in their territory. That way, if you lose, you'll have some time to rebuild.
You'll be committing to one massive upfront battle (for which I recommend using the "no retreat" doctrine). Do not split your fleet until after this first battle is won, and their fleets are mostly destroyed/scattered. After that huge battle, you'll want to split up into 3/4 doomstacks (recommend using hotkeys to group them, to make things easier) and begin aggressively occupying systems and planets.
It is wise to have a powerful army on standby for this phase (try to maximize damage-per-army unit, as speed is paramount, and combat width will limit you).
Leave at least one doomstack in reserve to delay/defeat a surprise attack via jump drive or quantum catapult (hopefully you have gateways so this fleet can respond quickly).
Knock the biggest players out first, as quickly as you can. Proceed to smaller and smaller threats until you're victorious.
In spite of what other commenters are saying, this is very doable!
Thank you for the advice! This is indeed doable!
I load an earlier save, throw all alloy into fleets, time it well, and win the battle in another system. But the war is far from over. Those are just part of their fleets. I go into their territory and take systems as fast as possible while they are busy attacking a few of my systems.
I strike where they have an inferior fleet, retreat when their strongest doomstack is near. After countless battles, the strongest empire in the federation is eliminated.
Finally, after 17 years war, they make a peace offer when 100% war exhaustion, because they've lost thousands of ships with probably more than 100 million fleet power. The economy is really important here, as I've rebuilt more than 1 million alloy worth of fleets during the war.
Fighting in this lategame is really laggy. https://imgur.com/Bxsc4hwĀ - they were caught halfway through a gateway. One frame took like 5 seconds XD. And it's hilarious that we are using doomstack as a fleet unit!
what did you do to deserve this is the better question
With mods, lots and lots of mods...
Shot in the dark here: poorly. You are supposed to fight it poorly.
~invincible
Thatās the thing captain, you donāt
My brother in christ, you can't. Restart.
Considering the year it is, you shouldāve been able to build up to surpass this pretty easily. This is absurdly late.
For someone who plays Grand Admmiral with 25x crisis, that just looks like a Tuesday.
God I would cream using a Nicoll-Dyson beam on that fat stack
Split them. Use fast corvette fleets with jump drives to attack the systems they just took. Then, when they send some of their fleets to take them back,you will have an easier time.
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And, well, let's be honest... The Maginot World exists for a reason.
Nicoll-Dyson beam?
Nicoll-Dyson Beam, you will need Gigastructural engineering mod, though.
Don't.
Niccol-Dyson-beam that whole star system into oblivion and be done with it.
Stellaris seems so wierd, without the Gigastructures mod.
Step 1: Install Gigastructual Engineering
Step 2: Build Nicoll-Dyson beam
Step 3: Press "I win" button
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit
Use mods to avoid that, I've already screwed up several games with that bullshit of mega alliances, they have different ethics, even necrophage and assimilations, Paradox fixes that.
Skill issues lmao
Yeah.. honestly, Federations and Overlord completely ruined the game for me. Empires can't make it for 2 seconds without sucking each others dicks. It's next to impossible to play an "evil" empire because halfway mid-game literally every single empire is either a federation member or an overlord or a vassal. Past this point wars just stop existing and you get these bullshit doomstacks. In this regard, I miss old Stellaris.
Esit: lmao give me those downvotes of cope because you know I'm right
Fight to the bitter end!
Looks like its time to become the crisis and cleanse this galaxy of filthy xenos
don't swing a 2inch thinking you got a 20? but best bet is make friends and join them or take friends and make them bulwarks and stall for time. grab a planet cracker or star eater and trade small wars and stalemates for planet cracks. habitats every system to stall hard and fleets of frigs and missle covetts on jump ins to trade vetts for battleships. or bitch out and be a subject to one of the big guys, pay your taxes and watch and wait.
On Allah iāve got no clue
Carefully
Here's the fun part. You don't
All hail our new overlords š
Alright so, what you want to do is end the galaxy and boom problem solved
You donāt
Apes strong together š¤
You need a lot more planets and most of these will only have garrisons of soldiers to draw that fleet limit into the ten k range
How in the world was this able to happen?
Fairness left the chat room
No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die.
One ship at a time, probably.
It involves a juggernaut with the +40% weapons range, a starbase with a communications jammer, a Pulsar, and a harassment squad to be hitting their territory. Or a 25x crisis. Either will work.
Take little fights at a time, the ai wonāt death stack all the way through your land. and if they do then just back cap the systems they take, little by little they will diverge their attention and slowly cripple away
Put all your fleets at a choke point near the hyperstack. Stare down the AI until war exhaustion gets too high.
I guess you just die?
With the power of friendship <3
BRO WHO DID YOU PISS OFF
Alt-F4
A single Wave Motion Gun shot will take care of it!
By just fighting it, I guess.
That's the neat part, you don't
That's the neat part.
You don't
You fight this very early on in the game. By not dialing the difficulty and crisis levels up to maximum in pre-start settings!
open console, type "invincible"
You likely will be unable to. However, you ha e a beast of an economy and if you put that against them, it is likely that they will eventually be ground down. Start pumping out those fleets and pool all of them in one location. Once even-ish, activate any bonuses you have and go in for the kill.
However, with the amount of fleet power they have it seems a bit unlikely
With a massive video card?
You have almost a million alloys and you dont have a maxed navey, thats your problem
By throwing everything youāve got at it and dying in a blaze of glory taking as many of them down with you as you can!
RIP
Build 1m corvettes
Spam smear campaign and other espionnage thing. It never did anything but now it definitely won't do anything either but nothing will!
Use a gun and if that donāt work us more gun
Open console and "damage 100000000" :')
Thatās the neat thing, you donāt!
As a wise car racer once said, faith
click on a fleet, console command, damage 999999999999999999
Like this isn't impossible to win, if anything you'd probably have a solid chance just throwing you're entire armada at them you'd probably take out.... at least 60-80% of that fleet And then you're sitting on 800K Resources to rebuild from the get go, I assume the Federation can't match that level of production. I counted ~15 or so fleets above 200k and of those only 1 was 750k.
Really the best thing here is first, get a ton of troop transports out there to eat some enemy fire, tangle up their fleets with it. There's more then a few Titans in that mix, they get priority target for the AI, so throw in a fleet or two of nothing but frigates. Change your fleets composition to be pure armor and then armor and hull penetrating weapons and lure them into a system like this or a puslar where you have a starbase that can kill their FTL jump capabilities.
Get a bastion to have the constant damage field in effect as they pass through systems. Get them mired in them with troop transports. Go WAY over your fleet cap and push it to the point you basically don't have an economy so that when they're busy destroying ships it's actually making your economy better.
There are a LOT of ways to win this with your current resources, you are FAR from out matched in this.
Google en passant
1) Kill them before they do this.
2) Build for armor and evasion, fight in a Nebula.
3) Stall until status quo.
4) Get their AI stuck on a hyper relay. Happens all the time.
5) Kite them around while you hit their capital planets. Though kiting is pretty hard nowadays. Maybe impossible.
Become the crisis, crack the galaxy.
So I counted 130 fleets and assuming the average is 100k power then you are facing 13mill. In fleet power at minimum. Good luck soldier
Hereās the funny thing.
You donāt
As the Klingons and Protoss say, it is a good day to die.
Violence. If it didnāt work, try more violence.
A real big gun
Throw your best fleet at it. See what happens.
You don't need to. Just wait for the late game lag to fry your pc!
1.) Press tab
2.) Debugtooltip
3.) Invincible
Choose a fleet, then access the console and type ādamageā, then however much you desire.
Or, you could give up (please donāt do that)
Aetherophasic engine.