![Um... I don't think he's legally allowed to do this.](https://preview.redd.it/yngsmik4hl9d1.png?auto=webp&s=9a35d88c0a05e8cdda52d8431a331547d1032f63)
Um... I don't think he's legally allowed to do this.
Comics![Um... I don't think he's legally allowed to do this.](https://preview.redd.it/yngsmik4hl9d1.png?auto=webp&s=9a35d88c0a05e8cdda52d8431a331547d1032f63)
Holy shit, that banner looks fucking disgusting.
if i ever doubt my art skills i just need to remind myself that i'm not doing whatever the fuck that is
But the question is...
This or AI? Which one is the bigger blasphemy? Lmao
Edit: these answers are restoring my faith in humanity
As bad as his art is, at least it actually came from a human... Unless Ken has secretly been using AI art before everyone else.
As much as I hate to say it AI needs to fucking go before whatever the fuck Ken Penders is doing
I rather have ai be gone forever before this
Empress Tara-Su
Fnaf-ass banner
"Can you survive 5 nights at Lara-Su's"
I'd commit neck-in-rope immediately
What is that font called btw?
Orbitron
That's crazy
THIS IS VERY FUNNY TDBKDOLDKFP, you should post it
Done
THANK YOU LMAO
FNAF 2 vibes but worse.
It looks terrible.
FNAF 2 Title Screen lookin ahh
It's genuinely sad that his comics were as popular as they were and looked this ugly. I wanted to get into these comics a while back because I remembered hearing about them so much but i just can't get past his art style, I've seen fan comics drawn by 13 year olds on Deviantart in 2006 that had more appealing art than his professional comics.
And from the handful of panels I've seen of the Lara-Su Chronicles, it's only gotten worse over time x-x
Same. As someone who doesn’t have the nostalgia of growing up with his comics, they just look really off to me, and not in a way that I could ignore and still read whole issues of.
We all think the same brother
I’m fairly certain it’s supposed to resemble the FNAF 2 menu screen
Looking like the goku meme
The banner looks like you combines Sophia Vergara and Knuckles.
Don't insult Sophia like that.
Someone revealed to me in another thread that these comics of Pender's are real. Where on Earth is he selling them?!
On his website
To be fair, he bans anyone who argues against him. I got banned for calling him out for tracing
How'd you do that?
All I did was call his art "fucking terrible" lol
You are a fucking Legend
Pure uncanny valley shit
Why did he block you?
I think this was on a showcase of one of his projects
What was that moment? For some reason, it ain't showing on my screen.
It was him blocking me on Twitter for calling his art terrible
lmao what did you do to piss him off? lol
I forget the og post but this was it
Don't give him advice, let his arrogance and delusions get the better of him by getting enough confidence that he thinks he stands a chance against friggin Paramount and a much more legally ready sega, it will be glorious.
Ken so far seems to bank on the idea that Sega like when Archie originally sued him doesn't see him as important enough to waste money on a lawsuit against him as layers cost money and as long as they have no interest in using any of the Archie stuff anyway would there be no gain to lose from Ken's doing.
And to be fair to him the only reason he currently has any ground to stand on is because both in the Archie and the Chronicles debacle did Sega not give a shit.
So really at this point does it all depend on if anyone be it Sega, Archie or any of the other former contributors of the comic will be willing to pay for the legal works to be done.
Sega is a multi-billion dollar international corporation, they already have lawyers on retainer. It doesn't cost that much extra to sue some independent nobody, they're already paying those salaries anyway
Sure Sega obviously has the money and it would realistically hardly be noticeable for them.
But as I said even during the Archie and Chronicles lawsuits did Sega not want to get involved and have to pay money for legal fees because they apparently really didn't care. At this point would it seem more likely that Sega would tell Archie to get on this due to there old contracts with them than that Sega actually does anything them self.
You just know if Ken would have tried anything like this with Nintendo he be nuked from orbit. And even with Sega does it surprise me that they don't do anything given that a now infamous lol cow fan that back than tried to sell home made DVD's of SatAm got a letter from Sega.
Ken only won his original suit against Archie because Archie fucked up. They lost the original copy of the contract stating that they owned the characters so the judge ruled in Penders' favor. It's not that they didn't want to get involved, it's more that Sega couldn't have done anything even if they did.
Penders lost the Sonic Chronicles lawsuit because he's an idiot, Sega didn't really have to get any more involved there than they already were
But now he's talking about publishing Archie Sonic under a different name, infringing Sega's copyright. That's not gonna fly.
Actually Ken never won the lawsuit it was just settled outside of court to unknown therms.
However from what I know the main reason Archie didn't win is because they originally wanted Sega to show up with there end of the licensing contract that would imminently prove that Sega are the rightful owners. With Sega refusing to show up to verify the photo copy of the original contract Ken underlined did Archie's legal strategy fall apart.
Archie only lost the original copy of Ken's contract in a warehouse fire but had a Photocopy of it and a shorted contract that Ken sighed that confirmed that the underlined the original contract.
All of Ken's other claims were also proven wrong by going though his E-mails too. He really only won because Sega are the rightful owners and had to show up to claim them but they didn't.
Ken actually never got to go to a court with the Chronicles trial as EA just pointed out that he sued far to late to still be able to sue. Technically could Ken have sued when Sega put Sonic Chronicles in the Encyclo-speed-ia but for unknown reasons didn't he.
And he already did published Archie Sonic under his own name as the Opening to Lara-su Chronicles is just a 1 for 1 reprint of the Mobius 20 years latter story even still having Sega's and Archie's company logos on them as he didn't edit the scans at all yet so far did no one sue him over it.
Ken is planning on getting the other creators involved approval and giving them royalties for doing it. According to what he has said at least
Given that at least a few of them fully subscribe to the idea that they sold there rights to there work to Archie and or Sega do I wonder how many of them will play along.
I especially wounder if Ken will actually leave out stories that feature writing or art from creators that refused his offer.
Kind of a moot point if he doesn't get SEGA's approval, and fat chance of that happening. They still own the copyright on their original cast regardless of what any of the individual artists say
It's not sega he will have a problem with I think. It'll be idw. They hold the rights to produce sonic the hedgehog comics. If ken openly starts actively reprinting Archie material he will be essentially breaching their rights hold.
When a property is given to a new company to produce material the old one cannot produce new material that includes reprints without the express permission of the rights holder.
So Archie can't do reprints of Archie sonic without an agreement with idw and sega.
A good comparison is the aliens comic franchise. Originally dark horse had the rights. But when Disney bought fox they took the rights in house and gave it to marvel.
But under the marvel banner they did reprint omnibuses of the original aliens comics
The important detail is that they carried the marvel logo on them.
If Ken tries to reprint Archie material without removing all sonic material then the first at his door will be IDW. Not Archie or Sega.
The only reason not to is if IDW are about to drop the licence and they don't care. But as far as I am aware IDW sonic has been a solid earner for them? Not tmnt level success but still strong and the popularity of sonic films etc probably helping too
For a company that is currently digging in on their brands that sell I don't think IDW will choose to drop sonic
That is another thing I didn't even think of but yes IDW should properly get Ken into hot water for using Sonic.
Mind you that is also true for Sega as Ken uses Sonic in any means without a license is also breaking the law (Never mind that because he didn't alter the covers at all for the reprinted comics he did so far in Lara-su Chronicles do they still have there original trademarked Archie and Sega logo's on them too)
Seemingly the only reason Ken is still afloat is because no one felt like suing him so far for some reason.
No, if Sonic fans aren't allowed to make money off of official Sonic media like fan games and rom hacks then someone that actually damaged the series shouldn't be shown any mercy.
"No, Timmy. You don't get it. You have to say "I wish this would happen because it would be so fucking funny." you've been doing this for how many decades now?"
he's been in a coma for all those decades and the picture is him after he finally woke up and realized cosmo and wanda were figments of his imagination
Yes, please, i want to see that ship crash and burn
imagine he acquires the rest of sonic and makes sonic breastfeeding scourge or some wild shit like that
Thank God we don't live in that timeline, as much as our timeline sucks, thankfully it didn't end up like...... this.
perhaps we do
SEGA? Legally ready?
However so?
No doubt Sega's finally going to give a shit when he starts trying to sell material not with a Knuckles recolor, but with Knuckles himself in it
Never mind the blue son of a bitch himself
"The blue son of a bitch himself" should be this sub's tagline.
"Blue gumball son of a birch"
Best title for Sonic the Hedgehog.
I second this! I literally laughed out loud
This made my morning
Honestly, I don’t think we need more attempts at adult, edgier Sonic, it’s perfectly fine as a franchise for ages 2-200, but man, seeing Sonic just trash a big ass Eggman robot, just to jump cut to Mike Pollock’s Eggman scratching his head and Orbot and Cubot to be like “Him again?”
Eggman: “Yep. The blue son of a bitch himself”
Cuts back to Sonic.
Now he is gonna get it, just you wait
would love to see IDW make collected editions of the archie stuff
They’d probably only do post-reboot stuff and MAYBE the Mega Man crossovers but that really depends on whether Capcom is willing to collab again
Yeah it's something that'd take a lot of legal effort to do, and Sonic fans aren't worth it.
It's a shame, but it's very, very common for licensed stuff.
It's up to the archivists.
Thanks to Archie's fuckup they'd have to get Ken to approve it, since he does legally own the copyright to his OC's. Zero chance he'd budge on that
Let’s get real: No one from Archie is making money from those, and any new releases just puts money in Penders pockets.
I’m gonna just keep buying the IDW collections and pirating the Archie stuff for my backlog.
IDW/Capcom worked together before besides on the Worlds Collide crossover. They have done the Street Fighter X GI Joe and TMNT VS Street Fighter crossovers. I can see them teaming up again to release an omni or OHC.
Don't forget that we're getting the DC vs Marvel and Amanglam omnis later this year. Cross-company omnis are on the table now if both parties want to make money.
Shhh... nobody tell him. He'll finally get nuked for good.
We won’t tell him, I can’t wait to see him on his last limb
He has to be trolling at this point, right?
Don’t discourage him, I want to see him be scrindonguloded legally.
Hello again
Scarlet Koito jumpscare
I read this in her voice
Hug the Whisper
What is her voice to you? For me it's like a moderate Australian accent with a hint of British
The fact her speach bubble actually lines up with the comment
Yes
True advice, also imma hug whisper
What is this ABSOLUTE MENACE yapping about
Yep. He‘s completely lost it.
Ah hell naw, why Gay the Snail so dehydrated???
👍
Dude isn’t this like illegal? It’s already bad enough that “Knox” and the (“echy’dnia?) is a blatant ripoff of knuckles and the echidnas (is that lawsuit worthy btw?)
Probably not worth the lawsuit.
The guy was able to argue his version of Sonic from an evil universe that wears a black leather jacket and shades was a legally distinct character. After Penders left Archie Ian turned him into Scourge if you were curious. Knox is probably just “original OC” enough to count as a new character despite it being obvious.
Penders is probably intentionally trying to make it sound like he’s continuing Archie, but likely can’t for the same reason Sega can’t (pre-Sonic Universe), Penders at best owns the storylines he wrote like he owns the characters he created. Anything Sega original or written by a different writer at Archie belongs to someone else. It’s a Gordian Knot of legal snafu because of Archie’s poor record keeping.
Back to Scourge as an example. Because Scourge is a modified Evil Sonic Penders owns Scourge, but either Sega, Archie, or Ian Flynn owns the copyright to the story of how Evil Sonic became Scourge. If Penders wanted to use the Scourge version of Evil Sonic he’d have to “Knox”ify the story.
Which is why he’s calling this Floating Island instead of Angel Island. He legally can’t use Angel Island.
actually Floating Island Productions is something he's always tried to get off the ground, even with working with SEGA and Archie. It was originally supposed to be a movie studio working on a Sonic movie, but once his awful pitch was rejected he just kept using FIP for his other shit
Heh. "Off the ground."
He shouldn't be able to use Mobian/Mobius either by that standards. It was originally used by Sega in the official sonic comics, sonic Sat AM and Spinball. SOA invented it, not Penders.
By original Sonic comics, you mean STC?
I hope he gets sued into the ground
Imagine this being what leads to Penders being sued to high hell, having all the Archie characters repossessed by SEGA, and the mandates being dropped.
Would be funny.
God I wish
Just imagine the kind of stories we could get without the mandates in the way. Imagine IDW getting stories even darker than the Metal Virus. A man can dream.
This boutta be super funny, just sit and watch
Let him crash and burn
I think Ken is mad 😂
I mean Neither was Scourge, most of Scourge came from Flynn and Co, but still he has some reason to claim some stuff he didn't make,
Stop giving him attention. I'd rather see people gnash their teeth over Ian Flynn breathing funny then think pointing and laughing at this guy is anything less than the infamy he wants.
Yea you can’t. Especially if he’s intending on profiting off of it
I would love it if the lawsuit spawned by this ends up causing SEGA to regain the rights to everything Archie Sonic related.
Fun fact, they actually still own all the Freedom Fighters. They just don't use them because Ken Penders pissed them off that much
It's time to SU-SU-SU-SU-S-S-S-S-S-S-SUE!!
He just wants attention. Ignore him.
Like, he only won the characters likeness, it's why he can't call any of his characters echidnas.
Where tf did he get the balls to just take sonic content and do as he pleases with it
He can call them echidnas. It's a real animal. He doesn't but that's his choice for whatever reason. Sega doesn't own animals XD.
It is a little more complicated though... yes, animal names can't be secured by copyright or as a trademark etc. but a certain Design can. Knuckles the Echidna and the way he looks are secured by Sega in that combination. So he can't call his tribe the echidnas as long as they are looking like knuckles.
Otherwise, anyone rlse could also create their own Computer and slap an "Apple" on it and call it a day too.
You're applying the way a trademark works to a copyright. It doesn't work like that. Copyright protects a specific work or character. A trademark protects an identifiable mark. A trademark can only be taken out on a character if they have acquired a "specific secondary meaning" and only protects the actual design of the character. Calling an animal an echidna would likely not violate that protection either. And I doubt knuckles is actually trademarked in anyway. Furthermore penders had already won the rights to portray his own characters as long as he maintains that they are different.
Ok, instead of fighting over legal mumbo jumbo, how about we all come to agree that Ken penders is just kinda shitty all round.
That, and it's obvious he needs sonic/sonic like content to even get the reach he has now instead of vanishing to the void. Am I right on that?
You're applying the way a trademark works to a copyright. It doesn't work like that. Copyright protects a specific work or character. A trademark protects an identifiable mark. A trademark can only be taken out on a character if they have acquired a "specific secondary meaning" and only protects the actual design of the character. Calling an animal an echidna would likely not violate that protection either. And I doubt knuckles is actually trademarked in anyway. Furthermore penders had already won the rights to portray his own characters as long as he maintains that they are different.
Fuck ken
Ken penders feels like an alternate universe Chris chan
Hes a more successful Chris chan. The simple fact Chris chan could have been this with better parenting or maybe not as Penders claims he didnt have a father figure.....wait, that might explain a few things.
That explains a lot about why fathers in Sonic comics were such horrible people (until the writers changed anyway)
The only thing about Sonic that I’m unfamiliar with are the comics as I know only a little about the comics, but not too much so who’s Ken Penders and what’s happening to Archie the publishing company if I am allowed to ask?
Ken Penders was a writer for the Archie Sonic comics for a while, did a lot of echidna-focused stuff, and sued Sega for doing similar-ish echidna stuff in Chronicles. Because of that whole debacle, Sega isn't willing to use most of Ken's characters (most notably Scourge, since Ken created the original Anti-Sonic) which eventually caused Archie Sonic to reboot itself, and now Ken is trying to use his OCs and some bastardized versions of canon characters in his own self-made comic which is ugly as sin.
Basically, nobody likes Ken Penders and we all await the day he becomes a stain on the sole of time's boot.
Thanks for explaining the situation, it’s greatly appreciated and that’s horrible that Ken caused all of those things, faith will eventually catch up with him 😕
Oh don’t get me started on that skunk character of his
Two of my friends are in the credits for his new book. They really are dedicated to the lulz.
Ken Penders also got the potential 3rd season of SatAM axed by going behind Ben Hurt's back in the 90's (or so I've heard.) I personally care more about that than him throwing Archie a curve ball and them losing the law suit because their paperwork was missing and SEGA didn't care enough to back them up. Later on Archie decided not to renew their license with SEGA before reaching exactly 300 comics and that's why IDW eventually stepped in. I'm a little more miffed about that but I can't blame them really.
That’s so sad we never got the third SatAM season only because of him leaving the story unfinished 😔
There's a 30min YT video by Comic Drake who explains the situation pretty well
I will look it up, thanks for the recommendation 🙂
The main issue, is this worth Segas/Archie's time? No. Could it. Yes
Everyone wants to see Penders get slammed but its not worth the money. Penders isnt a threat. Archie wont do anything because they cannot even use those characters.
Sega has also shown they don’t want to even bother with him and don’t even care about the mess Archie had with the series
I am still mad that Scourge is owned by this fucker...
This fucker took Sonic Chronicles 2 from me. Let him get thoroughly obliterated by Sega
Yeah he's in his own deluded world. Desperately clinging to the world he created (if you looked up penders you'd know why) and I get why he's doing this. It's to seperate his work from sonic and archie (at least in his mind) so he doesn't need to be reminded of them.
Unfortunately his character designs are still based on sonic's echidna race, no matter how hard to tries to redraw them. He cannot escape the reality he's made unless he lets go of it. Make a new story, new characters a new race. Otherwise a simple name change won't fix anything; it'll just distract you for a moment until the reality turns it's ugly head again.
Can this fat whale just keel over already?
Hey hey hey! That's unfair!
What did Whales ever do to you to be compared to this walking skid mark?
Fair enough. XD
I’M DEAD 🤣
I’m a thousand percent positive he can’t do this. The only thing he owns as evidenced by the lawsuit debacle are the characters he created. The entirety of Archie’s comics are not his to print or produce for his personal gain.
I'm really glad that the creatives behind the UK comic weren't like this. Granted that series has never been officially revived, but at least they've been fine with the fan continuation, even making some contributions here and there.
Just let Ken Penders be his own downfall. The moron is going to screw up somewhere legally, and it's going to be completely on him. I am hoping and praying it happens because I'm tired of seeing this man have an online presence.
He's arguably becoming the new Chris Chan.
Literally how does this even happen? It was a SEGA property, SEGA by strict legal definition should own what went on in there.
I sent an email to SegaSammy corporate 😇
Are you serious Ken? Archie doesn't exist how the Heck would you be able to do THAT?!
Oh Ken you wacky character
What the fuck is bruh yapping about?
Its just clicked to me that Ken Panders us like that one mod on a mid 2000s forum who thought he was better than everyone else and would weird the banhammer for the most minor infraction whilst posting terrible fanfiction/roleplays that he thought were the next fucking Harry Potter.
I thought Ken left twitter. Did he return?
He doesn't stand a chance this time
Dude's definitely a weirdo and his insistence on Sonic stuff is fairly odd because if he's as good as he proclaims to be he really wouldn't have to crutch on the Sonic franchise THIS hard but also dude's gonna do what dude's gonna do. If anyone does decide to sue him it seems pretty open and shut either way.
The man has a God complex.
You know you fucked up as a writer when people are more entertained by your antics than your actual work
Really is a shame that sega refuses to touch anything to to do with Archie sonic. But I most certainly don’t want this dude to be the one to touch it.
Does… does he think he has influence over sonic comic publication..?
holy fuck this dude needs a hobby
A different hobby.
Why is he so strange. Anthropologists must study him.
Can this dude stop being desperate for once??
If he's so set in his delusion, I say let him be. Maybe getting sued into bankruptcy will rock some sanity into him.
Ken the MADMAN.
Bruh this guy lame ash 😂😂
Ah...Ken Penders being Ken Penders...
Silly geezer. Where is his meds?
2036, the world is now a shadow of 2024. A horrific reality where KEN PENDERS MANAGED TO ACQUIRE THE REST OF SONIC THE HEDGEHOG 💀💀💀💀💀💀 and has made lara-su chronicles the new canon.
I don't understand. I know what archie sonic is but idk what he is talking about
Wonder if he forgot about one thing. Those material he wrote literally has sonic and company at the time.
Could someone please stop Kenders? He is just asshole, who doesn’t should get any respect. I know he create Julie-Su but still Ian Flynn wrote that character better. I just hate that fat-furry-asshole
This guy 😭😭
Genuine question because I have neither Twitter nor context--when he says "Archie Sonic," what exactly is he talking about? If he's just referring to the comics he wrote/owns the rights to reprint, then honestly it might be a little stupid to change it out of nowhere like this but there's nothing inherently wrong with it?
fuck Ken Penders.
It ain't like SEGA uses the term "Mobian" anymore.
He's such a bizarre human being.
Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. Penders talks about shit like this all the time but never actually does anything; it's just to get people talking about him when he knows full-well he can't actually do it.
Oh, he IS allowed to do this!
He can name his Archie Sonic material whatever he wants, the legal settlement of the rights included an ability for him to sell his Archie Sonic stories independently.
I've got a bad feeling about this...
Idrc something just needs to happen with the rights or sum so i can see some of the Archie characters agian
Just when I thought his mind couldn't be further lost to his own madness
I'm calling right now, he'll change the names of the characters in the old comics to try to squeeze pass laws. Thinking that will help him. He'll go about it bootleggers style. He's already done that with his new comic
Didn't he say he's gonna leave twitter
I don't care what happens but he needs to change his really awful art style! Ughh
This guy is in his own little world lol
Dude thinks he is eggman... Tryna take over mobius
My god this guy
He is obsessed with archie sonic while simultaneously it’s his bullshit that got archie sonic rebooted and then cancelled
He ruined the thing he clings onto
When I asked him if he legally could do it, he said "I really can’t go into private business matters on a public forum. I am taking care of creators and you’ll simply have to accept that. Any concerns on their part are being addressed. You don’t see me taking credit for anyone’s work in BEGINNINGS. It’s all acknowledged."
what the...
What’s he waffling about
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