How many bars for a song?

I know there's not a gold standard, but approximately, how many bars should each section of a song with a basic structure have?

-Intro

-Verse 1

-Pre chorus

-Chorus (I've noiced that in some songs, the first chorus is usually shorter, am I right?)

-Verse 2

-Pre chorus

-Chorus

-Chorus (or ending).

And another question, how optimal/good would it be to have a chorus that leads to an even crazier chorus? Like, the pre-chorus builds tension for the release of the chorus, but I just wrote a song in which the pre-chorus builds up the chorus, and the chorus builds up a new section of the song, that feels more cathartic then the chorus itself, but I don't know how cohesive and healthy it is for the song as a whole, I'm also thinking about making that "second chorus" only appear at the ending.

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17d

manuelandremusic

17d

Make it chorus 1 - chorus 2 - chorus 3 - chorus 2 - chorus 4 - chorus 2 and it’s gonna be a BANGER

nikoelnutto

17d

There are no rules, dude. Make music

NorthernPumah

17d

Broski whatever you do i wanna see it.

ReddyOrNot1337

17d

Well it'll probably depend on the style of music you're doing. 12 bars per verse is probably great for a rap but would be too long in pop. Analyze some of your favorite songs. They probably did something right if you like it so much. I know a lot of people are going to say "just do whatever. Music doesn't have a formula". But if you're stumped and don't know what to do, there's a world full of musical inspiration and you can borrow other people's formula until you're ready to break away from it.

dirtydela

17d

Rap gotta be 16 imo. Other styles shorter tho for sure. Depends what you gotta say i think.

kpjformat

17d

I have a song that goes verse 1, chorus 1, verse 2, chorus 2 🤷‍♀️ People like it

Neither_Measurement9

17d

honestly that sounds great. There is no one roadmap for music unless you are going for a strictly inspired sound (but I advise otherwise to this because it just limits your creativity). You don’t even need a chorus really. Just do what feels write for the piece.

Mysterious_Cancel_99

17d

I just finished one that looks like this- Fyi, when it came to me I just let it take me where it needed to go and this is where it ended up. Intro 1 Verse 2 Break 1 Chorus 2 Short intro 1 Verse 2 Break 1 Chorus 2 Lead 2 Chorus 4 3:23 total

Fpvtv2222

16d

Intro could be 1 or 2 bars verse could be 1 to 16 bars same with chorus. I say try how ever many bars you need. Some songs have long verses some have short. If you have lyrics already that should dictate somewhat how long or short things need to be