When they say NHS "Reform"

The weirdest part is that the US government spends more money, per person on healthcare than the UK government does. The US could have free healthcare just like the UK and not have to spend a penny more in taxes. The entire system in the US is a scam.

Australia and Japan seem to do alright, and they are hybrid systems. People seem to think that healthcare is a binary choice between a capitalist American nightmare or a hulking public behemoth. It ain't.

The NHS does need reform. That doesn’t necessarily mean a US style system.

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US healthcare is one of the most inhuman, overpriced, superyacht-buying calamities out there.

I'm Scottish and live in America-YOU DO NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH A PRIVATE FOR PROFIT HEALTHCARE SYSTEM

Why is the default always the US system?

There's about 100 other healthcare systems around the world between us and them.

On this subject, I am always grateful of the NHS. I lucked out with a genetic condition that only 5% of the population have, but 0.1% of them suffer ill effects from it, and suffering those ill effects mean I have to be on medication for the rest of my life, starting in my 20s. If I was in the US, google says I'd be out of pocket $600 a month, or $7200 a year, that's ignoring the hospital visit, tests, diagnosis and consultant visits I had to go through for the ill effect and diagnosis going forward. And the worst thing is, I know this is probably mild compared to other peoples experience in the US.

Instead here in Scotland, it's a grand total of £0.00 I've paid for at point of service for every step. Long may that continue and I look forward to the day that the Tory plan to privatise healthcare fails fully.

The American health system is horrible. The NHS is horrible. They just aren't horrible in the same ways

The USA love to bang on about the UK's "postcode lottery" and whilst that is terrible, I'd argue it's less bad than the USA's "choice of parents lottery".

The NHS has many failings, but I'll take it over the USA model which costs the tax payer twice as much as the NHS costs us.

You do realise that the US model (sh*t) and the UK model (arguably sh*t - one of the worst health services in Europe) aren't the only two options that exist right?

It is possible to spend more on the health service (giving better outcomes) like they do in Europe without bankrupting everybody or leaving people without cover. There's a reason literally nobody else in the world copies the NHS funding model.

Amongst the many, many issues with US so called healthcare - is the fact that it is tied to your job.

I mean - how fucked up is that? Your boss gets to decide your healthcare! Absolutely fucking nuts.

Canada as well, Poverty is a supported reason to suicide overthere.

American here, you absolutely do NOT want our “healthcare” system.

You went to A&E for a sinus infection????

I lived in the USA for years. Their whole healthcare system is one big scam perpetuated by the insurance companies. It is a completely broken system that benefits insurance companies. On moving back to UK I am horrified to see that it’s constantly suggested that we all buy private health insurance. That’s it’s better than the NHS. Mark my words, once the insurance companies get their claws into the UK health system, the people will suffer for it. Insurance takes away your money and eventually takes away your rights. At first insurance is an option, but eventually it becomes the law. This will happen with the health service if we let it. If you think things are bad now, they will get much, much worse if the insurance companies take over. Insurance companies take away your money, your freedom and your rights. No one needs more insurance in their lives. The NHS is a privilege that we should all fight for. Preserve the NHS at all costs.

"Instead of sending to Ukraine and Israel, American taxes must only be used by Americans!! America first!!"

"Alright, let's use it to fund universal healthcare."

"FUCK NO!! THAT'S COMMUNISM!!"

As a Yank when I hear about countries with universal single payer healthcare debating whether to adopt the US model it absolutely astounds me.

You are pissed off about wait lists so you are going to switch to "get sick and go bankrupt and there are still going to be wait lists but slightly less long because only millionaires can afford to be on them". Brilliant plan.

Absolutely.

Privatisation of the NHS in the UK is in the interest of absolutely nobody except for a few people in power and their buddies who can benefit financially

American here, can confirm.

We sleepwalk into a private insurance health care system at our peril.

Fortunately we will be free of this lame duck government some time this year.

I’m talking about the Tories, of course

It’s a minimum 10-15 year programme to get us back to where we were before their disastrous austerity and Brexit debacles

As a Scot, if I turned up at A&E with a sinus infection, they would, rightly, tell me to fuck off.

It’s not a toss up between NHS and American system. There’s a middle ground where people actually get the treatment they need, which neither is doing adequately at the moment.

Americans vote for it though. Their president literally said he'd veto universal healthcare if it ever went through. There are multiple people on the ballots local and Congress who want universal healthcare and Americans don't seem to budge. They enjoy their shit way of life

Pros in a system that bankrupts thousands and thousands of Americans annually?? Millions of people going w/ out. I'm listening . . . .

It saids 911 likes as i write this. 😅 How ironic. If the rich paid what they owed you all had free healthcare. Lol.

Ohh but don’t - it’s all good. the UK will set cannabis as a Class B drug while letting the big pharma Grow it and sell it through every single private health care system while gatekeeping it from HNS patients .. Theresa May Husband was a BIGTIME Player in it - the same time People want the NHS to pay for their Gender Change.. im not being political but people who the the USA it’s always to do with money .. know a fair landlords from California who live over here.. place (their town) is fucked..

There are other types of systems than the American one, which is the worst(for the poor).

For example, my son had a skin irritation on his face, we took him to the GP and essentially experimented on what skin cream would sort it out, none of them solved the problem. The GP just eye-balled it, no tests were done.

We then travelled to my wifes home country in Eastern Europe for an extended visit, while there we took him to the Dr's, they took some skin scrapings, sent it for analysis and within 2 days we were prescribed the correct treatment for the specific ailment, it cleared up and never came back.

I agree that the hospital treatment is usually very good, everything else in the NHS is awful though in my experience, with the absolute worse being GP's, who are in practice, all private health providers who sub-contract themselves to the NHS.

It is that failure if early intervention that has destroyed the health service.

I would much prefer a more European system where GP's and the power they hold, are abolishied and small neighbourhood clinics take their place where more tests, examinations, physio and analysis can be done in the building.

 The only thing your Tories want to reform is the destination of NHS funding, from helping folks to enriching themselves, Cronies and campaign contributors . . .

Don’t be fooled, Labour want to do this too.

You do realise that many eu states either have no public healthcare. Or do, but need insurance also, right?

This is just worst case scenario doom porn

The NHS does need reform.

Passing it off as it’s just going to be privatised is lazy and means we’ll stay in this endless cycle of shit results

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I could post for hours about how ruinous wrecking the NHS gets.

Political suicide to even hint at reform of NHS, I firmly believe that heads would roll.

Skyrizi (Rizankizumab) appears to have been accepted by NHS Scotland as a treatment for psoriasis, but only for the joint swelling aspects that are more common later in life. It doesn't appear to be covered for the treatment of the skin condition itself.

Although that said, it looks like the list price for the drug is only about £3,300 over here, with the NHS getting a substantial discount on that. Pricing markups on drugs in the US are loco.

US healthcare does have its benefits, a large swathe of the worlds RnD comes out of the states, they provide innovations which otherwise wouldn’t have been developed.

It’s great if you are insured, seen quicker than on the NHS in better facilities with better service.

It’s a shame they cannot keep that level of innovation and provide a better base line of healthcare to everyone which is not reliant on 3rd party insurers which artificially drives up the cost of care.

In before the real muppets come in and suggest the UK could switch to a European hybrid model - it will never be allowed to given the American healthcare corruption deep in both of england's main parties

Labour supporters on here like “well actually…” after their party was seen to be taking donations from private healthcare companies.

This is how easily it can all fall apart. A party historically pro NHS now has their supporters playing down privatization. The NHS is on a knife edge.

No one is suggesting a move to an American model. There are not only two models of how to provide healthcare.

Please fallow the Dutch or German system The French system is great to

Highly disingenuous to suggest that the only alternative to the current system is total privatisation, frankly, people like you deserve a shit system for attempting to gaslight people like this.

Seriously sick of people (especially Americans) posting on here suggesting that the only alternative to the current NHS setup is the US system.

Every single country in Europe other than the UK has a different model than the NHS, and most of them deliver better health outcomes for the population, often at the same or lower cost.

This bizarre obsession with the US just serves to stop us making our health service better and actually seriously looking at what lessons we can learn from neighbouring countries.

OK, so we just accept mediocrity because any sort of change is inevitably a slippery slope to the United States which - even despite its many, many problems - essentially subsidies huge amounts of the innovation and development that global healthcare depends on?

We haven't got healthcare right. I'm sure there are plenty of positive experiences, but the plural of anecdote is not data.

Waiting times are a bigger problem than ever. Accessing primary care is a huge problem across the country. NHS dentistry in Scotland is on its knees.

None of these issues will get better on their own and we pay more into the NHS than at any point in it's history. If you don't think reform is a good thing, you're not thinking.

The British Healthcare system is embarrassingly bad compared to the Healthcare systems of other European countries.

Everyone always goes straight to America and horror stories about their healthcare system. No one thinks about Ireland, Germany, Japan, Australia. The NHS is sucking so much money it's affecting education, law and order etc

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We don’t want the US private for profit healthcare system. But we clearly need reform. The wasted resources of the NHS is insane. The waiting times for almost any service is wild. I accept that the budget has been cut, but there is so much waste in the NHS, it needs reform first.

I don't normally comment, but I feel this one warrants it. No one should have to pay for medication or have restricted access to medical care, however. The NHS is being drained by people who can afford to pay but don't. It is also being abused by people who do not pay anything into the system, especially foreigners who know there is no cost to have treatment when on holiday, etc. If british people travel, we have insurance for that very purpose.

I would agree that corporate greed is edging its way into the NHS, but it's being done by this IMO. people who never needed to wait now do.. taxpayers and the people who have a legal right to be here should have priority against people who do not. If this was the case, it wouldn't be open to abuse or corruption.

People actively abuse the system that was brought in to give british people fair access to medical care this unfortunately is not the case anymore.

In scotland, there are no charges for prescriptions, and people certainly abuse this. Again, if you have money and can afford to pay morally, you should! I know of several people who have repeat prescriptions for medication that can be brought from a supermarket cheaper than what it costs the NHS, paracetamol for example.. 35 pence for 16 tablets, which costs the NHS probably around 4 times as much £1.40 and that is where part of it starts!

The American Way...

We don’t have the NHS.

Completely false dichotomy