I am not very politically aware but it seems that the SNP have lost their way. Too much time on woke subjects when there are fires burning that need urgent attention. The problem is, what’s the alternative?
Your post history shows you are pretty political and is viewable by everyone. This is really shit bait m8
I don’t agree
are the "wokes" in the room with us right now?
You used the word woke so you automatically lose the argument.
Sorry I don’t make the rules.
How does that work?
It's like when you talk about idk, economy for instance and people call you racist or bigot or whatever buzzer word like that. You don't know the context because they are not able to argument their positions so you just block them and carry on. Because they are not open for a debate they are just calling name.
But I wasn’t having an argument so ninjas no argument to lose
Woke 😂
“Not politically aware”
Hundreds of comments across political subreddits.
“Woke”
Utter clown 🤡
So much bad faith shite being posted, by people too thick or lazy to create alts to do it under.
Charming
Woke is not a word that should ever be uttered in the land of Scotland except as a verb
So there are no oppressed people in Scotland? Sure.
I think the point is that 99% of the time, woke is used as a pejorative by utter fandans.
It needs reclaimed.
maybe by aave speakers
woke is just one example of this phenomenon where anglo-Americans will pick up, misinterpret and overuse aave words until they essentially become ruined
like woke and shook
Like bigot or nazi
It is not our word to reclaim, it's an American word originating in the African-American community. It has no stake in our country.
It's because it's used by people to dismiss oppressed people if you're not a heartless arsehole (otherwise known as a Tory) then you're woke
Then it needs reclaiming.
You can't reclaim a word like that no matter what
"That" word meant Awake to Oppression and still does. If you're not black you might not understand how historically important it is. Reclaiming is vital. The arseholes don't get that word
I don't have to be black to understand that woke is a word that will forever evoke pictures of totalitarian progressiveness for most people if you ask me there's worse forms of oppression than that faced by black people
Please do some research. I am queer. That took some reclaiming but jeez it was worth it.
Ideologically captured
That's different woke is a word that's used openly with no one saying it's wrong there are some words that can't be reclaimed because it's either incredibly offensive or it's used more often for a different purpose queer was never that offensive when compared to words like faggot, dyke, tranny etc it never was a word used by people to refer to people who were once considered property like ni**er
Name checks out
Shit checks out.
Given the state of the other parties at Holyrood and Westminster, i'd say no.
That's the real worrying thing!
Does anyone else feel like there’s something odd going on with these kinds of posts? So many especially in the last few days about how Indy is dead, the SNP is dead, there is no hope etc etc. Very odd.
It's due to having a couple of bad headlines come very close together - climate pledges, Trans issues and Murrell. Will have to wait for polling to come out to see if it has actually had a significant effect.
Yeah I had noticed that too
Define “woke”
The opposite of sleeping - a conscious human (or animal) mind
No, do define it.
You just use the word and can't define it...because you know it means "awake to oppression"
Define “woke”
Woke ideology is defined by the idea that some facet of identity like race or gender produces irreconcilably different views of reality and morality, and that we have an obligation to seek alignment of society's view with the imagined views of groups associated with the political left like minorities and women.
In this sense Wokeness is distinct from older forms of liberal advocacy for minority rights which appeal to universally valid concepts like truth and fairness.
This is just the standard "I'm all for fairness and equality but the woke mob go too far with it" arsehole reasoning except the arsehole's got a thesaurus.
The implication being that there's an agreed-upon universal standard of fairness that 'sensible' people adhere to but which "woke" people blow right past.
It's an obvious load of shite that tries to paint this guy's idea of "universal concepts like truth and fairness" as objective when they're clearly not.
The implication being that there's an agreed-upon universal standard of fairness that 'sensible' people adhere to but which "woke" people blow right past.
Chomsky had this to say on the topic:
It strikes me as remarkable that their left counterparts today should seek to deprive oppressed people not only of the joys of understanding and insight, but also of tools of emancipation, informing us that the "project of the Enlightenment" is dead, that we must abandon the "illusions" of science and rationality--a message that will gladden the hearts of the powerful, delighted to monopolize these instruments for their own use. They will be no less delighted to hear that science (E-knowledge) is intrinsically a "knowledge system that legitimates the authority of the boss," so that any challenge to such authority is a violation of rationality itself--a radical change from the days when workers' education was considered a means of emancipation and liberation. One recalls the days when the evangelical church taught not-dissimilar lessons to the unruly masses as part of what E. P. Thompson called "the psychic processes of counter-revolution," as their heirs do today in peasant societies of Central America.
Chomsky is a genocide denier whose social awareness is stuck in 1968. Going to have to do better than this appeal to authority pish.
I was trying to give you a convenient definition that likely fit with your intuitions on the matter.
Away wi yer pish
😂😂😂
Pathetic bait.
Excuse me?
That was Mod reddit equivalent of :
I’m afraid you’ve lost me
No
Was the conservative party done for after getting wiped out in 97 ?
Was the labour party done for after Corbyn leading them to the worst result since 1936 in in 2019?
They won't get as badly damaged as both the above examples and sure to be back with a decent number of seats.
Hopefully they will still be the 3rd largest party in Westminster.
I won't be surprised if they still get the majority of votes
A lot of people were saying both those parties were done for after 1997 and 2019.
There was many stories after 97 of the Tories being locked out of power forever, and even back in 2019, the Labour Party was written off for the next few elections.
The difference this time is the real and quick time periods of political change which could mean the SNP do bounce back quickly, or enter oblivion and are replaced by another nationalist political party. It is possible they could be replaced by a right wing Kate Forbes wing of the SNP party and two left wing alternatives- Alba and Green. So they suffer the fate of the unionist side and are locked out of power I. Holyrood for the foreseeable.
I can’t see them ever getting the number of MPs in London they had in the past again.
It's possible in that respect we have seen a high water mark, but lots of seats in Westminster is not necessary for a successful independence movement
When someone uses the term woke in an obvious derogatory manner then I mainly assume they are a cunt and anything they say can be ignored
That’s your prerogative
‘woke’ - when bitter aul cunts use this word it’s just the same as ‘political correctness gone mad’ which everyone knows is just them being called out for their discriminatory and bigoted beliefs about others.
‘You can’t say anything any more!’ That’s right lad, everyone’s tired of yer tedious pub bore opinions.
You’re being very woke about this
OR:
"I'm not very politically aware but it seems that the SNP have lost their way. Too much time on the day to day practical details of governing Scotland as a part of the UK, when their original raison d'être of full independence is in flames (or at least, it appears to be). The problem is, what's the alternative?"
I was a staunch SNP voter, Alex Salmond was a great leader of Scotland, and then Nicola who got us through COVID. However sadly like all politicians, things creep out of the woodwork and you become disenfranchised with the whole gamut!
Now a lot of people I know have switched to Alba, they seem to have their heads screwed on right, and actually have a chance at becoming a popular party very quickly. SNP voters will be looking for the closest thing they can find, and Alba is most likely the logical choice.
Labour and the conservatives have let Scotland down hugely over the years, so I doubt their votes will land in those boxes.
Locally to where I live the SNP candidate is lovely, and proactive, so they will most likely win again. Time will tell.
Things looked a lot brighter for an indy Scotland when we still had a trade deal with the EU, and that was a huge part of the process for Scotland's future. Now that we have been dragged out against our will, we will need to think long and hard about the fiscal implications, regarding currency and taxation.
I agree, this all pushes disenchanted SNP voters towards Alba
No I doubt it; a change of leadership and party organisation is needed but I doubt they're going anywhere
Nope, in for a decline, sure, but thats it.
The probelm you have is generally woke policies have more support in the indy crowd which is the SNPs core voter base.
Alba might finially elect an MP, but other than that things are sold.
The unionists SNP voter might switch to labour, but FPTP is dogshit so it wont matter.
Alba 😂
Alba - The political equivalent of the old cunt sitting at the end of the bar complaining about they gays and immigrants while moaning that the music is too loud and that things were better back in his day.
You're getting shat on about the woke thing, but only because you used the naughty word. The sentiment is correct.
They clearly pursued trending "social justice" headlines, didn't they?
Yes they won over certain people with that pursuit...but they played (possibly won) the wrong game.
Your da in his white van might love sound of independence, but he's not sure about the whole "white!" speech, and the gender thing might confuse him.
They clearly pursued trending "social justice" headlines, didn't they?
Imagine seeing "social justice" as a bad thing. Imagine being that bitter and warped.
I don't, and never implied I did.
The SNP woke up on 19th Sept 2014 and figured that the best way to get more support is to die on a hill about trans rights etc.
It didn't seem to work.
You know the thing is you stupid bollocks there are some very legitimate things you could’ve actually had a go at them for, but instead you went with “blah blah woke stuff blah blah I’m a fucking loser”
You mean I am loser?
Aye Einstein
How do you define a loser?
No. That's just wishful thinking by frothing unionists.
It's unlikely the SNP are done for, because political parties tend to be remarkably resilient to death, but they are in this position simply because they've been in power, and unchallenged for far too long.
Imagine how tired, and all over the place a Tory government that had somehow scraped over the 1997 GE would be?
Imagine a Labour government that had limped on till 2015?
Imagine, if it's possible, what a Tory government lasted till 2028 would look like?
There's an Americanism that I like in this instance - politicians, like nappies, should be changed regularly. And for the same reason...
When political parties/politicians get complacent they indulge on squabbles, and they go down rabbit holes.
The issue is all they were known for was independence so they could attract anyone who wanted independence. As soon as they have been in power for a decent stretch (without other major parties) they have to make it clear where their position is on a whole range of issues which isolates some people. I think it is almost inevitable that you will see a fracturing of the independence vote. The question then is whether you see an independence coalition or a right/left coalition.
The SNP needs to reset. They are definitely in decline. The joy I saw when Murrel got charged showed, IMO, how hated they are and to many fanatics supporting them.
The SNP will try to make waves, but for them, the tide is going out. Like any other tide, they will be back.
The worry is, when they come back, they will be full of the shit they spout at the moment. With all the sewage in the seas, this is a definate!
Goodluck getting any sort of discussion, the woke lot are in denial,
The sad part is there isn't really alternatives, all the parties are hopeless, it's either you vote for one of the smaller parties or vote for the least bad of the main 3 (if there is such a thing)
I would say no but only if they stop banging on about independence when it's clear it's not popular with the voters unfortunately I'd love for Scotland to gain independence but it's not going to happen they need to start looking towards making the UK a better country focus on tangible gains more housing, better quality healthcare and education, more money in people's pockets, less addiction make themselves a party that's still unashamedly for Scottish people but not to the point that allows people to accuse them of Anglophobia
One one side you have the unionist crackpots complaining that the SNP are obsessed with independence and on the other side you have the Alba crackpots complaining that the SNP don't care about independence.
When you have crackpots on both sides of the divide hating you I suspect you might have just about struck the right balance.
Except independence isn't going to happen anytime soon
Think so. They need to shed the Greens. They need a better calibre of well-educated candidates, based on merit, and not forced female candidate lists, for example. They need to focus most of their efforts on the economy and business. No one gives a shit about the hate bill or trans rights.
We need a govt with economic answers, provides an environment for growth and entrepreneurship. And doesn’t tax its highest performers.
Also worth a total rebrand. Ditch “National”. Become the party of work and business.
Also go pro nuclear. Building a few nuclear plants in Scotland giving near free energy, with a close to unlimited source of water, could be a very attractive place to do business.
It’s fucking easy.
Kick em' out for ten years and watch them get their act together. They'll be singing a different tune when they get elected again.
I really hope so! Racist Uber-woke maniacs.
These damn woke racists!
Forgot to post this from an alt, Lenny?