Imagine if we had a mandatory national cognitive testing before voting. no need to be educated, just enough to gauge if a person is smart enough to contribute in deciding the individuals that will represent and enact laws for not just for them but the thousands, maybe millions affected by these decisions. I mean political dynasties, corrupt politicians, and vote buying has to be causes for stupidity, if not, ignorance right? if majority of voters for Politician A has low scores we'll just instantly know how f*cked we are for the next couple of years
Imagine if we had Mandatory Cognitive Test before voting?
PoliticsPHhaving to prioritize budget over quality politicians is a double edged sword. yes, tama ka, but at the same time Filipinos continuously vote for politicians that only weakens us rather than the opposite. shouldn’t this point to the problem that we filipinos are not voting smart enough?
Yes. Say, in theory, may budget tayo to implement yung nationwide cognitive testing for voting, I think there's no definitive way na masasala yung mga tao talaga. You could take a look sa research na to about cognition (Jin et al., 2019). Based on their finding na mas may connection yung cognitive ability if may immediate relevance sa buhay nila yung decision, if not, di siya as significant of a connection. Ang problema nga lang satin na mga Pinoy ay yung relevance ng eleksyon saatin. Tinuturing ng karamihan yung eleksyon na parang karera or may "manok" which makes it distant sa buhay natin where in fact na it affects us significantly. We can't blame it all sa mga tao ngayon kasi it's part of culture unless we can radically change it now and I highly doubt that.
Eto din siguro, kahit gano ka-ill informed yung botante, kung meron kang pool ng mga nasalang kandidato ay siguradong matitino yung maihahalal.
P.S. Medyo related tong post . Na-comment ko din doon comparing post-WW2 candidates and now.
first, well done for taking the time and effort for quality comment with citations, secondly, I completely agree there needs to be an overhaul sa mindet ng common filipino folk. the day everyone realizes the weight of their vote is the day Philippines truly begins developing into a first world country, if not, at the very least a more honest and dignified society
Filipinos continuously vote for politicians that only weakens us rather than the opposite.
There's also the implied and VERY REAL threats of violence should you stand against some political dynasties. You're quick to blame the "bobotantes" yet ignore when some these officials were voted in because the opposition got killed or threatened to not run against them.
Nasobrahan ka po
its a theoretical, paano ako nasobrahan?
Sa coffee 🙂
ah got me there 😭
That will not be democracy, more like epistocracy
maybe using the word madatory is a stretch how about encouraged?
Then why the fuck bother suggesting it all? Anong point kung encouraged lang?
Our political landscape is a mess, yes. But this won't solve anything. If anything, it just furthers the divide of our economic classes.
Bad actors will always act bad, no matter the circumstance.
Ibig sabihin, kung mangyayari to, the bad actors will just target the "smart folk" lol. Worse is they'll abuse whatever system this is and disallow certain people from voting.
i see your point, i should’ve stuck to mandatory. regardless i find it impressive if somehow “bad actors” outsmart critical and investigative minds
Nah, you shouldn't stick to this mindset at all.
You can't casually exclude a subgroup of the population for an "open-minded" discussion. It's a slippery slope.
Bad actors also have critical and investigative minds on their sides as well. They have money to do that.
We can't afford to antagonize our poorer countrymen who aren't as fortunate as we are. We can't keep focusing our energy on making them excluded. If you really want change, think of ways to uplift them instead.
It really does sound preachy, but if I can make one person view this problem differently, then it is worth the trouble of this long ass speech.
no, you’re right and it certainly is a problem and your comment is absolutely valid
they have money to do that
the saddest truth of them all
Ito naman pala eh. What's the point of your post then?
Correlated din ang economic means sa mental capabilities ng individual. Kung walang ginagawa ang gobyerno para iangat ang pamumuhay ng tao, nakikinabang lang sya sa kamangmangan ng mga tao
This assumes that all smart and educated people voted for the opposition. And they didn't. Andami kayang mga taga-UP pa man din pero DDS & Marcos apologists.
To me, this wrongly puts the blame on politicians and corruption once again.
Even if only the most incompetent people were allowed to vote, and even if they were only to vote the most corrupt officials into office, if the majority of the population are competent, have more agency, can think bigger, don’t engage in zero sum thinking, then we would be in a much better place.
Anti poor sentiment
Baka di ka na makaboto nyan
wouldn’t that prove the system works…
Why should we listen to the nonsense of some mentally impaired rando then?
Kadiri.
Kung sa tingin mo mentally impaired ang karamihan ng tao sa lipunan mo ikaw ang mag problema sa pag-iisip. O baka naman akala mo intelligence test ang cognitive test?
cognitive is right kasi it seems di nakakakita ng patterns mga pilipino… i mean robin padilla? come on dead give away
Ano?
I'm going to just try to guess what you're trying to say.
Akala mo na inutil si Padilla kasi ayaw niya gawin ang sa tingin mo ang dapat niyang gawin? Kaysa isipin na inutil siya inisip mo ba na ayaw niya lang gawin iyon dahil wala sa personal interes niya ang gawin iyon? Na mas inuuna niya ang mga interes niya at ng mga kaalyado niya kaysa interes ng ibang tao?
If you can only think that people are stupid for doing things that only you think they should do then that says more about you than it does about them. Empathy, logic, actual cognition, lahat yan wala ka.
Unless you're 10 years old then you should be the one to take a cognitive test.
you’ll go back to this post when our government is filled with nothing but political dynasties… then you’ll realize I’m right
Anong connection political dynasties at supposed cognitive impairment ng buong sambayanang Pinoy? This is a genuine question.
We've had political dynasties before this. We've had it for more than a century now. O baka naman akala mo nagsimula lang to kay Duterte?
exactly my point, there has been political dynasties before Duterte: Erap and Villar just to name a few and yet andito ulit tayo with threat na may plus 1 (cinonsider ko na threat kasi for sure may boboto sa kanila). either way, this continuous cycle of voting for a politician that fucks us up is something the Pinoy should recognize and yet here we are.
Who's the plus one?
It's a cycle because it's been made that way. The people at the top made sure of it. Di yan kasalanan ng botante. Even now with only one Duterte in the national government malakas pa rin ang kapangyarihan nila. This has to tell something about just how much power elections actually have in changing things. Di yan magbabago kahit bawasan ang botante. The smart, the rich, the well connected will always make sure their interests will be protected while the rest will have to make do with what they're given. To give the responsibility solely to the weakest is disgusting and antisocial.
its a cycle it’s been made that way. The people at the top made sure of it
exactly my point, if the masses is too stupid to see na they’re being screwed over and over and still choose to be complacent, doesn’t that mean that there needs to be change. we need to ask ourselves if our voters are in the right mind to cast votes that dictate the wellness of a population. tama sila Gin, we need to educate the people to think critically
"kasalanan ng botante na niloloko sila ng iboboto nila kaya siguraduhin natin na di na sila makakaboto. Alam ko rin na kahit wala na sila nandiyan na pa rin ang mga opisyales na binoto nila at magbabago na ang lahat"
Tama ba tong pagkakaintindi mo sa sinasabi mo?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Philippines/s/oPUlrVriOn
Ito naman pala eh. Anong pinaglalaban mo?
also plus one be the duterte family aiming for positions in the government and RDD aiming for senatorial seat
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as a society we need to have these uncomfortable or even bizarre discussions, also everyone has a right to an opinion, even if you don’t agree with it…
though I agree with you and Gin, magastos nga and its a MUST na we educate the masses to think more critically. ang pinopoing out ko lng is we keep voting for stupid people and we should, at the very minimum, have the cognitive ability to see the patterns
Yep, btw I am not saying that you are wrong. Actually, you are right, and if only our country is not a democracy, we should implement those cognitive tests, but unfortunately, we are living in a democratic country and thus, it is unconstitutional to implement that here in our current type of governance since it will surely be deemed discriminatory. But hey, malay natin that democracy might fail and people will understand where we went wrong.
Also, I have no intention of disrespecting here, but, you saying that everyone has a right to an opinion means that you kind of or sort of agree with our current system. Forcing them to take a mandatory cognitive test is already a huge f**k y** to their opinion, since they are deemed stupid and therefore should be revoked with their right to vote.
That's my two cents.
yeah, i may have taken “not everyone has a right to an opinion” as a jab considering the hostility of other comments. no offense taken 🤝
I actually sort of agree with you talaga, only problem is with the type of government we have. As much as I hate it and I really hate to say it, most Filipinos tend to have a hive mindset, and just one of them having a wrong information, such as pamahiin, which are instilled to our society, is already a huge red flag and an evidence on why the current democracy we have is giving us pumps of ascension sa world standing, and yun din yung sort of regression natin, like what happened last 2016. Before 2016, we were dubbed the next rising tiger of Asia, then after several years, back to being the sick man of asia nanaman. Grabe yung brain rot ng mga tao just because one party decided to spread false information and control the narrative. I honestly do not know yet kung ano yung best political system para sa bansang ito, but surely it is not the current form of Democracy that we have.
diba? the sickness of the Philippines is it’s people’s need for conformity and it’s fucked na hardwired na sya which i think indirectly correlates how we’ve made politicians as celebrities, kung saan people go sa sikat rather than forming their own opinions.
if brain rot din paguusapan natin, i think Facebook servers should be shut down and burned to dust
Facebook and Tiktok primarily. They pride themselves as free speech platforms. Yes, that is true, and that is also the root of the problem. They are so much free that fake news easily spreads like wildfire without checks and balances.
maganda sana if trolls weren’t serious about sa trolling but I often find myself wondering if fake accounts pa ba nagsasalita sa comments. absolutely diabolical
Actually, you are right, and if only our country is not a democracy,
Our country is a republic it is not a pure democracy. This country need to have more policies in line with a republic(US) rather than a democracy.
my professor answered this question before and she said though it sounds ideal, tests of intelligence or levels of cognition will exclude the people na we are hoping to help when we vote. magkaiba yung reality ng mga tao and bumoboto sila para sa interest nila and the people around them, kung naloloko sila ng mga politikong hindi qualified di ba dapat yun yung pagtuunan ng pansin?
The problem with cognitive tests is that it suggests that that all smart people are morally upstanding individuals, that is not true. Duque went to to Santo Tomas and Georgetown university.
i agree, thats why i said na people vote for their interests regardless of cognition. if anything, the candidates' records should be screened instead of the voters' intelligence
Conditional/selective democracy, determining one person's voice (or in this case, vote) is more important than others—that is not democacy. And considering how good quality education is a privilege in this country, this will inadvertently exclude the less-privileged groups because standardized tests very rarely account for marginalized/impoverished communities.
Now if we say there should be a stricter process for vetting of candidates and making sure they are fit physically and mentally to lead the nation and represent the people in making laws and spending public funds, that might actually make more sense. Candidates should be the ones who have to fight and justify why they deserve to even be a candidate in the first place. It should not be the voters who have to go through so many hoops just to be able to vote.
Walang kwenta yang cognitive test kung di ka nag iisip ng malalim.
itulog mo n lng po yan
why sleep when we can be “gising sa katotohanan” na filipinos need to be more critical when they vote
also fix your mindset, kaya di umuunlad pilipinas because of people like you who downplay and invalidate open minded conversations. ikaw sana magising…
oh bago mag comment check yourself if its worth your peace. this was supposed to be an open minded theoretical discussion. Don’t get heated up if this concept is bizarre.
Why pass the burden sa mga boboto? Wouldn't it be cheaper kung ang sasalain ay yung mga tatakbo mismo? Mas konti yung kailangan sumalang === less expense for conducting the test. Besides, the whole point of democracy, even flawed, ay bigyan ng boses ang bawat mamamayan ng bansa.