![Chase doesn't deserve the LP Nomination.](https://preview.redd.it/lnbk73g99m3d1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=72d05a99dacd1084b41b1b5ec7ea909064eb8442)
Which is a shame.
So many Ds hate the D nominee.
So many Rs hate the R nominee.
Now would have been the year to put on a professional convention. Have good speakers. Invite people that have libertarian ideas even if they still align with the major two parties. Show we're not the 'free pony' 'fairy dust sprinkling' joke party we get portrayed as in the news thanks to V. Supreme and Chase.
Could have definitely been the year to break 10% if there ever was a year to do it.
But nope.
So many Ds hate the D nominee.
So many Rs hate the R nominee.
So why should the Ls not enjoy this same energy?
The feds cant let you guys have a likeable nominee when all the uniparty has is shit.
V Supreme would have been a more legit Libertarian candidate than the shit show they nominated.
Now would have been the year to put on a professional convention.
The LP has never had a "professional" convention, even by the excruciatingly low standards of the DNC and RNC. It's asking too much to expect them to have one this year.
I think worst numbers in 53 years would be an accurate estimate...
Still not as bad as Bob Barr in '08. It's bad but Bob Barr is essentially an unabashed neocon/social conservative. Like Chase wanders backwards into alignment with libertarians on somethings I genuinely don't know how Bob Barr got the nomination as a former CIA agent who was a drug warrior in Congress.
I wasn't really paying much attention to the LP at that time. My response was more tongue in cheek because the LP was started 53 years ago.
It was bad. Ron Paul was in the debates making noise about the drug war and the party was running a drug warrior to carry that torch. It was in my opinion, one of the biggest Ls the LP took as imagine how strong the Ron Paul movement could have grown if there was someone to carry that torch of anti-war, anti-drug war policies from the RNC debates into the LP.
Instead, they ran a guy who voted for both the drug war and the iraq war in a real facepalm moment.
It's not just about his terrible policies, but he's also just completely unqualified to be the president. He has no business success, academic success, or political experience. He's just some dipshit that lives in an apartment in the suburbs of Atlanta who used to work in HR and now thinks he can run the country.
He's an activist who the CIA decided to use to prevent the LP from gaining traction.
Yay, 1 percent instead of 2.
Not that it matters anyway
Honestly, I didn't even know there was a Libertarian candidate this year. I was excited about the party with Gary, not so much anymore.
sad, its more important than ever to support a 3rd party
Been hearing this every election. Don’t even tell me it’s “for real this time”. I know your script
I voted for Gary Johnson and Jo Jorgensen.
I can't vote for this guy, and I am #sorrynotsorry about it.
I'm out.
Jo was a fucking mistake, too.
LP candidates embracing the sociopolitical movement of the day. Will wonders never cease?
At least you see that chase is a disgrace.
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He literally has an anti trump comment. You guys will say anything to make yourselves feel better. It's like you think trump supporters are n the bushes outside. He's fucking pro choice. You guys are why the libertarian party sucks.
EDIT: looking through your comments. it looks like you don't even participate here. You are the fake libertarian.
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This is my exact thoughts. Most people who have bashed something he said I’ve felt were out of line… but going after Paul? Nah, Gator don’t play that.
Gator needs his gat!
I don't like Rand at all, but I thought everyone loved Ron.
Maybe he meant Rand.
He doesn’t deserve a chance. This piece of shit is an absolute mockery of libertarian values. I thought Johnson/Weld was a bad ticket, but my god, the LP has outdone themselves this year. I really think the LP has been infiltrated by bad actors, there’s no way they can intentionally be as bad as they are.
I honestly don't think Johnson was a bad choice, but my God Fuck Bill Weld.
Agreed. Call me tinfoily, but what the hell…
The LP is just starting to realize how bad they fucked up with this one.
Reject Ron Paul? But why???
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Not communist enough
Literally everything I see about this guy is worse than the last thing.
National party politics are the issue. Trying to appeal to the entire country will never work. Libertarianism is an individualist political philosophy.
The foothold is in local elections, but everyone keeps focusing on the grand prize
That’s why I live in New Hampshire. National politics are a loosing battle.
What’s special about nh
The most free state in the US.
Lots of local elections where libertarians win
Oh hell yeah
No state tax. No sales tax. No gun laws
Winning seats in congress is more important than the presidency
Full individualists are definitely libertarians, but that doesn't mean that any libertarian is an individualist. Libertarianism is a wide term.
If you’re not an individualist, then you’re a collectivist. And if you’re a collectivist, then you’re a statist.
"If you're not X, you're Y" not a very individualistic opinion
That's not necessarily true. The good thing about libertarianism is that it allows for any system to exist between it's rules, provided it respects the right to exit from it and is not enforced.
You could try to make your collectivist utopia work in a libertarian country, you just wouldn't be able to force it onto other people but rather convince them to join willingly (or fuck them and have it closed to a selected group of people, invite only; or only for red heads born the 29nth of February, or whatever you want, provided it's voluntary).
You don't need to believe in the supremacy of the individual over the collective, just in the right of every individual to choose their own path, even if it's a collectivist one.
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An appeal for more liberty is something everyone should get behind
I agree. I do think that the National libertarian party does that.
If your libertarian candidate is this ass clown I'm proud to say I didn't leave the Libertarian party, the party left me.. I'm out..
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This guys an absolute clown
Not only does he not like Ron Paul; he has also says "sorrynotsorry." Either of those alone would have been enough to lose my vote.
LP national is a joke. Nothing more. Intentional runs garbage candidates
This is the first candidate that was selected after MC took the party and I am shocked this is what the process resulted in.
So are they.
We only needed a few more good delegates to stop him. It was so damned close.
What is the process to become a delegate?
Every state does it slightly differently. The common thread is that you register for the party, go to your state Libertarian Convention, and run as a delegate. Generally, the people that go vote for the delegates.
It's a little harder, generally speaking, than becoming a delegate for the GOP or Democrats. Becoming a major party delegate is typically done at the caucuses or primaries, meaning you have a smaller pool of people you're up against. That said, the LP doesn't get the turnout it would like at small regional events, so it makes sense to handle the business of selecting delegates at the state conventions.
Thanks for the info.
Had a chance in 2016 to be legitimate instead put a pot enthusiast and a Dem lite on the ticket (Johnson/Weld)
Hang on a sec… I have plenty of other issues with that ticket as well, but what’s the issue with pot??? Sir, this is the libertarian party 🤣
Huge disappointment
libertarianism > Libertarianism
This guy is a plant to get us to vote for the other two parties right?
My thought as well 🤷🏻♂️
Honestly seems like a way to steal votes from the left and bolster the right.
Really? THIS is who gets chosen as the nominee? Yeah, I'm out. Try harder.
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For the first time in years the LP is not getting my vote. I can't believe how badly they fucked this up. The past 2 elections have been prime real estate for the party to grow.
The entire point of nominating this guy is to get libertarians to throw their votes at Trump.
Fuck this election. Fuck this "democracy"
Your flair is so accurate
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Sadly the LP is a total shit show. Like every other political party.
Wait a minute!
Bold strategy, Cotton
This chase Oliver guy sucks (no pun intended).
Ron Paul is what brought me here.
Ron Paul has been the most influential candidate in my lifetime.
Does this old twink diva think he’s going to be anywhere near as influential as Ron Paul was in spreading the message!? 😂
Ron Paul is the guy that got me into politics. There will never be another, he is the perfect libertarian candidate. For this Oliver guy who I didn't know anything about until recently to try and dethrone Dr Paul so dismissively like that tells me all I need to know about his agenda 👍
Same. I got introduced to the ideology by Sen Paul when he ran in '08. If only the establishment hadn't chosen Senator Palpatine that year. That was my first abstain vote for president ever.
I take offense to the "old" comment. Dude is only 37
wtf.
Is there a link for this?
The only way this makes sense if he’s trying to get the lowest possible number of votes possible.
This guy is obviously a plant to get more trump votes. It’s insane that he’s the nominee for the libertarian party. Makes no sense
The Libertarian Party is strange. Claim to be supporters of liberty, but they’re overly concerned bylaws and regulations within the party. My experience with them on the local level is that they are a guys club who are not interested in local activism.
Guy has to be a CIA plant...
I was told 2 days ago I was a homophobe for not supporting him lol
Yeah I will not be voting for this clown
I’m having a hard time finding this post. What social media was it posted on?
Looks like Facebook to me, but I'm not on the other socials so idk
Ok thanks. I’d just like to know the basis of their differences. Any Libertarian should know if these two don’t see eye to eye
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Ron Paul opened my eyes to what is really going on. He reminds me of my grandfather. He’s off limits. Oliver is pushing me away from the party.
This is why no one takes the LP seriously. Talking about freedoms and liberty and the nominates astraight up wannabe woke communist. LP needs to get their fucking shit together.
I had thought that I had finally found a political party. I guess I was wrong.
Me too, I've been following conventions etc and was ready to commit to membership. Until Chase was nominated! It isn't happening. I'm also not going to vote for him. Not voting for Trump or Biden either.
I never thought I'd have to vote republican, but it has definitely come to that
Trump and RFK going to benefit from the LP nominating chase ?
Trump will benefit somewhat. None of the conservatives who are miffed at the GOP, who voted Libertarian in the last 2 elections, are going to vote for Chase. They're going to begrudgingly vote for Trump. But Chase will pull some liberals who are miffed at the Democrats. Probably won't be enough to move the needle one way or another.
Make take on the who Chase nomination.
He was nominated to take young liberal split votes away from the Dems to ensure a Trump victory. He used to be in the democratic party and he’s really young. Liberal students who are against Biden needed an option that wasn’t Trump to ensure they didn’t vote for Biden.
How did this guy get nominated?
Mises Caucus supported a shit candidate who still got pretty close to half the votes. The rest of the party tired of the Mises Caucus way of doing things voted against Mises.
Tell me you don't want libertarians to vote for you without telling me.
anyone like to defend why Chase is good for the party?
If only Dave smith would’ve run this year I think the LP could’ve gotten legit recognition. Now, more relegation to the sidelines.
Can someone explain to me how this guy got the nomination like I'm in 4th grade?
There were three candidates with any serious amount of votes in the finals for a nomination, Chase Oliver, Mike ter Maat & Michael Rectenwald.
If no candidate gets more than 50% of the vote then they drop the lowest scoring candidate and vote again. Mike ter Maat came in last out of the three and while dropping out pledged his support for Chase in exchange for the vice presidential nomination (I believe, may have been another position).
As Rectenwald and Oliver went head to head, even though Rectenwald had performed better than either Mike or Chase the combination of both supporters was enough to make Chase win by a razors thin margin.
That's gross. I've heard all three speak before and how Oliver got it just the most statist shit I can imagine libertarians doing
Should be popular vote for these things. Its like 10 states with 90 percent coming from cali
I reject John Adams, Said the guy running for the capitalist party
What a terrible person
I don't understand what anyone's problem with Ron Paul could be. I'm genuinely curious, what's the argument against him?
This entire series of events screams sabotage from within. It's as if the LP is trying to destroy itself.
What an actual dumpster fire of a fucking party we have.
I was going to hold my nose and vote for Chase. I thought about volunteering locally like I have in past elections. He is closer to what I believe than anyone else. I can't go through with it now seeing this. I can't see Chase getting over 1 million votes as more stuff he has said in the past comes out.
Wow, this sub acting like Ron Paul and Dave Smith are the ultimate Libertarians. Hate to break it to all the Chase Oliver haters, but the Mises Caucus is the paleoconservative wing of the Libertarian party.
The LPs decision to nominate Chase Oliver is the only reason I'm rejoining the LP since leaving it around 2011-2012. Rand/Ron and Tom Woods deserve credit for bringing AnCap discussion to the mainstream circa 2004/2005 but Rand hasn't promoted or showcased solid libertarian principles since joining the Senate.
How do know I know this is real?
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He just lost my vote
Brings a whole new meaning to "Big L" libertarian.
Aged like milk.
Wish we could've just had Jo Jorgensen again. She doesn't have high name recognition, but I'd have no issue voting for her as a protest vote. Or Spike Cohen.
Not sure WTF happened this year. Biggest opportunity for a Libertarian candidate ever and all bad options apparently?
I think Trump v Clinton was probably the most fertile ground for the LP. Johnson seemed like a real candidate and both the major parties had divisive candidates. The last election was dominated by people who wanted the incumbent out at any cost and I suspect this one will be a repeat.
I think the vote was infiltrated by wokie leftists.
I'm out. I'll keep my mises caucus stickers up and everything with the great Dr but no more LP anything.
For someone who rejects Ron Paul, why was someone from his campaign trying to track him down at 1:30 AM Monday to record an endorsement of Chase? I can't stand how slimy people in politics are.
Honestly, we're just running someone to keep ballot access... We should continue to focus on local elections and candidates, that's where the real change is going to happen.
I still can't comprehend why or how this fool was chosen as the nominee. Unless the whole system truly is rigged to ensure a 2-party system.
Okay that settles it. Before I consider voting for him because I’m a Libertarian. But I was a Libertarian because of Ron Paul. That’s just disrespectful considering how much he contributed to the party. And quite frankly, Oliver Chase is nobody in comparison. Compared to Ron Paul, he has no chance to win against Biden, Trump, or even RFK jr.
The LP just inoculated itself from being relevant to our political conversation by nominating Chase. RFK Jr. all the way!
How did that fool win
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Edit: TLDR
Nationally libertarianism is hard to implement IMO because In order to implement it nationally you would either have to just pull the plug on a lot of stuff overnight or you'd have to introduce things slowly. If you pull the plug overnight that means there's a whole new world tomorrow and that scares people. Sure you might have some freedom back but freedom comes at a cost and people are honestly scared of that. If you do the slow burn people are probably not likely to vote for you again because they didn't see any impact and blah blah.
If you do it on a local scale though you can implement things quickly and you can see results quickly but the results also don't have to be earth-shattering to be positive. At a local level it's much easier to implement policy and to see that policy turned into immediate benefit for that local group.
Basically to me the way you implement libertarianism is by doing it as locally as possible in as many places as possible and getting people on board with that idea that hey this worked locally we can make this work bigger.
tl;dr?
To be honest, I don’t follow politics more than the bare minimum. Ive never heard of him, but just googled his platform. His platform is very libertarian. Do his past actions not match this? Is that why people are upset?
Granted IMO, it’s odd to focus on bringing libertarian philosophy to immigration first. I would think the social programs would need to be adjusted and then immigration.
I think people are just sick and wary of politicians suddenly changing their tone to seize an opportunity. Like Trump suddenly becoming a Republican to run in 2016, or dems like Biden and Hillary suddenly being pro-gay and not viciously anti-drug when dem views on those things shifted. Too often, pivots like that are indicative of a disingenuous politician whose policy positions change with the wind and the money.
He supports completely open borders, supported Obamacare, and want to "stop the genocide in gaza". His work experience is in HR. And he's pretty obnoxious in general.
I mean, open borders and preventing killing are very libertarian principles. Of course practically, speaking we really can’t open borders until we’re living by other economic libertarian principles.
Obamacare is a bit of a head-scratcher though. Has his philosophy on this changed, and has he publicly stated that? It’s obviously contradictory to the party he’s running under…
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Prick won't be getting my vote, that's for sure.
I wish Gary Johnson was back :( he was the last good nominee and they tanked him because he didn't know the name of the city while still knowing what happened.
Who nominated this guy?
A coalition. They disliked the Mises Caucus and now were paying for it
Imagine being an ideological party and disliking the only caucus that actually stands for your ideology
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That’s one way of looking at it. The other way is MC pissed a lot of the party off and now they’re paying for it.
RIP libertarians
He does kinda look like a fed
Motherfucker glows in the dark
😢
Sure he does. He ran a good campaign. He was smart with his speeches and his deal with ter Maat. The normies in the convention had no idea that he was a woke gay man, because he said NOTHING that was woke, and nobody called him out on his past. He was a plumbline libertarian all the way in his speeches. He is also nationally known as the candidate that sparked the runoff of the Georgia Senate election.
The Mises candidate was ideologically good, but not a polished speaker (IMO). Chase was polished. The Mises Caucus has made a lot of enemies, and it has lost a lot of momentum for a variety of reasons. That's my honest opinion, and I spent a ton of money to go so I could vote against Chase Oliver.
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Ok you guys seem pissed at Oliver for shitting the bed on this one, but realize this post is over 4 years old. Maybe he said this to get attention. Maybe there’s a specific issue he disagreed with RP at the time, even though he stands for a lot of the same things as RP. We can’t ever have the PERFECT candidate. He’s the best we have right now. I say we all vote for him anyway, because it’s either him or some goddamn democrat or republican.
I will not vote him due to his feelings on open borders, the border situation is a big no no for me.
Bro... Open borders is literally a national Libertarian position. Streamlined immigration is a core philosophy.
Open boarders are different from immigration reform. The problem is with undocumented entry. We don’t know these people, their history, and/or what they bring to the table. Hopefully, not guns, drugs, and crime.
Our birth rate is down. We’re below 1:1 replacement, I believe. I think the conservative push to ban abortion was done to increase the birth rate. The (liberal) alternative is to import working class migrants. Just my hypothetical opinion.
If they bring their own guns and drugs then that is none of the government’s business.
Well keep importing people who don't hold Liberty as a value, have no care for nor loyalty to the constitution or expectation of constitutional rights and see how that turns out. I think it's naive, suicidal empathy perhaps. As i've said before, importing a future civil war and ethnic conflicts is not going to work out well for this country, human beings are too tribal.
Right, just like when we had that civil war after importing so many poor illiterate papists in the late 19th/early 20th century. They knew nothing of the Constitution and cared only for their huge families and the Catholic Church.
Ah, so you won't vote for him because he's more libertarian than you.
3.4 Free Trade and Migration
We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders.
Then you are a republican. Not a libertarian.
How fitting for 2024. The Republican candidate was just convicted of a felony, the Democrat candidate is mentally incompetent and probably wears adult diapers, and the Libertarian candidate is shitting on one of the absolute best former Libertarian presidential candidates.
Vermin Supreme will be getting my write-in vote this year.
What a dimwit
Dudes a puppet, a wolf in sheep's clothing put in place to run as Bidens back up. That's exactly what he feels like.
You are paranoid or stupid
Chase Oliver sucks
I’m switching to independent because of this.
Same
Always wonder if he was planted by the orange man to get all the libertarians to vote for him
Prediction: this cycle will be the beginning of the end for the LP
Paul: 10/10 Johnson: 8/10 Jorgenson: 7/10 Chase: ..... 4/10? Not sure yet personally.
We're sliding.
Did he post an explanation for this? It's like a republican candidate saying, "I reject The Constitution." It just doesn't make sense for the political party he's running for?
Link please?
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I’ve been involved with the libertarian party since 2008. I would bet money on this year being the worst numbers we’ve gotten in those 16 years.