Fact or cap about Kendrick, drake and j Cole fuck the big three it big me
PhotoYeah Kendrick saying let’s keep it friendly came off as pseudo bait to me
Lmao yeah he immediately warned Drake about having information about him, lets be real, Kenny's been waiting to throw hands with this mf for a while
Plus Kendrick’s “you don’t know nothing bout that” run at the end of euphoria was pretty personal. I think it was too late by that point because of Drake name dropping Whitney. Same thing that fucked him against Push.
its a warning AND bait, knowing Drake wouldnt be able to resist. dudes MO is literally to go after women first chance he gets
Absolutely. It’s very much not in Kendrick’s character to just start and hop into a “rap battle” at random, especially with it being his first official appearance in new music since his last album. If you understood Kendrick only moves at this point when he feels there’s importance behind what he’s doing, and that it’ll add to his legacy, you could see from the jump there was always a mission behind this. Anything less of him going into this wouldn’t have made sense.
Are we forget the control verse? I legit think most people didn’t come at him because they didn’t want the smoke. It’s an uphill fight for anyone to diss him because Kendrick just has too much going for him. Drakes popularity and numbers is about the only thing that gave him enough confidence/leverage to begin to come at Kendrick.
He got cocky, complacent, and then got clapped. Cole saw this shit coming.
Idk if you meant me not factoring in the control verse, but that was different. That more served as him making a declaration that he’s going to run this now at that point in his career. The Like That verse is just inherently a different thing due to where he’s at now in his career. He doesn’t have anything more to prove now like he did during the Control era, so for him to pop up on Like That and directly call out Cole and Aubrey, when he’s very selective and hidden about what he does now, was saying something and had nothing to gain by being “friendly.”
That said, I also do completely agree with everything you said.
I took it as him mocking drake. like maybe drake said that after bringing family into it. Also I think Kendrick knew what family matters was going to have in it when he wrote that. So like "yeah let's 'keep it friendly' fuck off"
He hammered home everything that’s public knowledge about Drake without going down the rabbit hole.
Like saying no kicking in the balls but beating the living shit out of someone without going there.
Technically there were no low blows but he baited the fuck out of him haha.
100%
It was, School boy Q literally told J cole that it wasn't friendly and to back off. It's why Cole went on the glaze tour.
Kendrick and Cole spoke on the phone the night Like That dropped and they were cool with going back and forth.
Absolutely. Going from “keep making me dance, waving my hand, and there won’t be no threat” to “where is the man, cause I ain’t seen him yet. Matter fact I ain’t even bleed him yet, can I bleed him? Bet” is the equivalent to slapping someone playfully and telling them to swing at you
this! hahah perfect
All bets were off When Drake mentioned Kenny's Wife You don't talk about another Man's wife where I come From and people act like J Cole didn't call himself Muhammad Ali saying he's the greatest then he Backed bbn out after Kenny dropped Euphoria Nah he don't get away
Calling yourself the best isn’t a diss, though. It’s confidence. It’s something every rapper says.
If calling yourself Muhammad Ali was a diss against Kendrick, then it was a diss against Drake too. And no one would say that.
God I love the make me dance line. There's something about it that feels like he's belittling Drake as some performance monkey doing tricks. Him telling Drake to avoid sitting at the adults table. It's like when some small scrawny kid tries to pick a fight with a 250 lb football player and the guy just laughs waves the kid off. Drake made fun of Kendrick for his height and size and this was Kendrick's way of flipping the script.
Same with the imagery of thumping other rappers with one finger like “MMH!” and knowing exactly what he means by that
Hell no he didn’t anybody believing that is insane😭who would want a friendly fade with someone they thinks is a ped
He could even predict his angle.
Lol yeah anyone whos been paying attention this past decade has known for years at this point that Kendrick doesnt like Drake. "Friendly fade" my ass, he knew Drake would take it further. That's why he said it. Drake is too predictable and easy to read.
He still didn't take it there and gave a warning. If he wanted to why warn him?
I would believe it if he dissed him in his own song from the beginning or in the song of a neutral rapper. But cmon. You don't hop on a song with two people that legit hate the person you are dissing and not expect things to get personal.
Even if he was super tame in Like That, it was personal from the beginning.
Nah, Like that was a friendly one, he even says in Euphoria that it was just a throaway verse.
But im saying. He knew Drake would go personal immediately. Its his MO. If Kendrick was interested in a friendly fade he couldve got one some other way. But he wanted to go after Drake specifically. Because he hates him.
I'm convinced he had heard some version of Family Matters either before Like That or shortly there after. He then started picking beats and waiting for Drake to respond.
It was personal from the day We Don’t Trust You dropped. Metro clicked up with like 6 of the biggest artists in the game to all start coming for Drake at once, including his former friends like Ross and Future. Of course he took that personal, who wouldn’t?
Nah, it was gonna get personal quick so he dipped. Kendrick just said lets keep it a friendly fade to bait drake. He of course knew where it was going and was pushing it in that direction subliminally.
Precisely. The “friendly fade” line is posturing. Drake made the same claims: “this ain’t even everything I know, don’t wake the demon up.” I don’t think anyone thought it wouldn’t get personal, given the length of time they’d been throwing shots. Especially after the “I hate the way…” stuff.
I really think Q warned him. In my head Kendrick asked Q to go play the last verse of Meet The Grahams to Cole.
This the same dumb shit Pusha T and Drake stans were saying for years.
“Push baited Drake! He always meant to expose the kid!”
Nigga.. NO 😂 Drake made both beefs personal by mentioning their respective wives/fiance’s. That’s the common denominator. Everyone’s bending over backwards coping trying to make Cole folding look like a big brain move when it wasn’t.
tbf Push did say he was going to go at Drake regardless. Let's be real, Push was probably ecstatic that Drake was dumb enough to mention Virginia because it gave him carte blanche to say whatever he wanted and he could defend it by saying "Well Drake said my wife's name first..."
Cole is a great rapper.
He is not a battle rapper.
Him vs Kendrick wouldn’t have been as competitive as people think
People act like he bowed out before his song. The diss he did release was not good. I don't know why people think getting more out of him would be any better.
Yeah there’s really not a lot you can say about Kendrick.
Bad catalogue? Nope.
You got no gang affiliation? Wrong.
Shady shit out there about you? Nope.
You’re as fake as they come? Hell no.
I think Cole wrote that and immediately thought “Shit, what do I say when he comes back at me?”
The best you really got is his whole Jesus thing and people around him MAYBE
Kendrick making mr morale and the big steppers took any of the shots that you could’ve thrown at him away. Thats why Drake and Cole are easy targets because they don’t hold themselves accountable in the way Kendrick did.
He had Kodak in Mr. Morale and has never spoken about that, so yeah there's multiple things he could have brought up if he had studied Kendrick.
i mean he did that for a reason, despite how much i disagree with it
Yeah I think he knew Kodak was a scumbag and that’s why he’s got him on there. Like “Look who I’m working with. I’m not your saviour”. He’s a nice boy really.
I have also interpreted Kendrick’s repeated references to “cancel culture” etc on that album as being about how we have a tendency to hide away the people (and versions of ourselves) that we are disturbed or disgusted by. Instead, he proposed bringing them into the light for the sake of reconciliation, reform, and healing. I think there is some of that in his decision to include Kodak? Like many I don’t think it’s terribly well done.
Regardless, something to be said about the fact that MMABS is about forcing you to see and confront things we’d rather just “cancel”
I mean, from Kendrick's perspective, he grows up around dangerous people who lose or waste their lives hurting others to get ahead. Where we see an abusive celebrity, Kendrick sees someone who avoided being an even worse monster through music. Kendrick makes music for Compton. I think that to him, it's more valuable to have an artist who can seem like a lifeline to people living fucked-up lives on the streets than it is to draw a line in the sand to decide who is civilized and who isn't.
We can all be inspired by and enjoy things that aren't completely good. I don't think someone is wrong for ignoring the bad parts of what they like. It's only wrong if you try to claim the bad things are actually good things or that they aren't real.
i think this is a thing many non black peoples don't understand.
when you grow up poor like that, you have so many demons in your family. so many people conflicted about calling the cops, even on family child rapists, bc the police aren't to be trusted.
i used to go to so many family events as a kid, where my mom / dad would tell me to avoid so-and-so. don't be alone with him. he molested this cousin and this cousin. and everyone just asks fucking normal
i hate that shit and i largely don't talk to many people in my family anymore. i have the money to not be there. but when you're in it, you're in it.
my grandma turned a blind eye to her husband raping my mom. they've reconciled, but i have to live w that still, knowing what happened. the man is dead thank god (i'm not related to him) but my grandma just let him do that bc standing up to men back then was just ... not what you did. he was probably abusing her too. he was an alcoholic
you take my actual blood grandfather on my dads side. he definitely abused my grandmother. but he was kinder to me than my own dad. he was a better dad than my dad. but ik what he did to my grandmother. ik why my dad doesn't fuck with him despite being just as bad
generational trauma as a black american is a lot more complex that just "kodak bad, kendrick bad for being around kodak"
do i think kendrick could've been better about it all, sure? but we have to consider how abusive so many black men are who grew up like that. look at dre. look at most of the men there who prob treat women like shit. this problem is largely cemented within the culture and needs to be addressed
and you can't just hide the predators and pretend like bad things never happened either
Reminds me of Eminem in 8 mile “I am white, I am a fucking bum, I do live in a trailer with my mom…” type shit 😂
(Not to mention Kendrick’s pen game, depth, consciousness, etc. make him indefeatable regardless)
Sayin this as a Kendrick fan but u can absolutely point at Kendricks affiliations with people like Dre and Kodak as well as his admiration for Pac especially considerin his main point in this beef was attackin Drakes treatment of women. But then again most rappers in the game either are or are affiliated with bad people.
Drake coulda honestly pointed at Kendricks weird thing with the black israelites, especially sinche hes jewish himself and woulda gathered a lotta sympathy. Dont know why he didnt
But then Drake would have to acknowledge his own perspectives on religion. In this climate that would be challenging for a mainstream pop star.
Plenty of non religious jewish people get persecuted all the same so he coulda played it on heritage
Reaching outside the rap community to garner that kind of support would play right into what Kendrick is saying.
I mean, there are other jewish rappers as well as jewish producers but it would be more honest on Drakes side than leanin into his phony gangsta image
Also itd be a matter of public opinion as well. Many people who werent really interested or updated om hiphop are now contributin to Kendricks victory lap by gettin into his songs, with the premise bein that he called out and defeated a pedophile. What wouldve happened had those people come into the beef with the narrative that Kendrick is an antisemite?
But Drake is allergic to admittin to his Jewish heritage cause hes too busy cosplayin as a gangbanger
Lots of short jokes. That’s it.
you sing about me cus you dying of thirst
your forbidden fruit is uhm, grippy, and I'm about to burst
COLE WORLD
you can't buy your life with chicken like your daddy
bumping whitney inside johny p's caddy
I'd fold you like some clothes, in this cole world, I wanna be your blanky
I let you think you the shit but boy you can't out-fart me
It's... It's... uhm...
Only we fans say this cause we give space for the nuances. He's an (white) establishment darling that people view as some type of revolutionary. Someone could start there.
Honestly, what are you going at cole for? Other than apologizing, but that didnt exist at the time. Would've been the most boring rap battle ever
I think that’s why he slip shots at both of them together. Cole is as humble as they come; he’s really got no skeletons in the closet. I bet Kendrick would find a way to use that against him though.
Kendrick seems to have made a conscious effort to pretty much secure himself from scrutiny over the years. Maybe that insecurity is something a rapper can go at; you’re always trying to be humble while taking shots at us, at the same time telling us how you’re not raps saviour. Never in a straight line, you live to rap and have got nothing else in your life. You’re stuck in your own head. THEN you go into the whole “you neglect your family” stuff 🤔
Their excuse is “that was a warning shot obviously if he came for real it’d be better”. When in reality it was only a warning shot in the sense that euphoria was. You can’t call most of a dudes discog trash and be making murder threats and saying it was “just a warning shot”. It was a diss track and not a good one.
I disagree - I thought 7 min drill was good with “got here off of bars not no controversy”, “arms too short to box with the god” (lol), and the 4 albums/12 years Jay Z reference
I think we could’ve got more from Cole if he was willing to actually go at Kendrick since he had other angles (Ken+Diddy incident or introducing Ken to Dre). You can tell he didn’t want to so he chose to cap about discography
Also, “I could drop 2 classics right now”
DROP EM COLE
The second half was fire
Facts the beat switch was nasty af
It's... it's... uhm...
Bro said “I could drop two classics right now” on Might Delete Later which was super mid
fr. cole is like ... the most annoying kid on the block saying he's totally gonna get a PS4 from his dad whose never around. totally dude ... we see those classic albums lol
Yeah bro I used to be a huge Cole fan but that diss was bad it sounded corny almost as if Logic wrote it for him
It was also one of his lowest energy tracks in a long time. You coukd hear his heart just wasn't in it. Him apologising did not come as a surprise for anybody that was paying attention to him. As a diss, it was more of a spar than a battle. Some nice moves to get the blood warmed up a bit but not damaging at all.
Their excuse is “that was a warning shot obviously if he came for real it’d be better”. When in reality it was only a warning shot in the sense that euphoria was. You can’t call most of a dudes discog trash and be making murder threats and saying it was “just a warning shot”. It was a diss track and not a good one.
I mean drakes best diss song came later in the beef(even if allegations aren’t really true Family Matters was still his best song), Kendrick’s best song came late in the beef too, no reason to think Cole wouldn’t have gotten better too
euphoria is brilliant. let's not compare it to that thing J cole deleted
I think Kendrick would have had to work a little harder. Drake has sooo much shit to talk about.
Cole a feature artist
And if you think battle rapping is hard, try battle rapping without throwing blows that are too personal for a friendly fade while still being considered legit.
Spend the whole time not really knowing if you went too far and are about to have your entire life bulldozed.
Fuck that id skip out too, what a tightrope to walk.
Cole has said it in songs he’s doesn’t do beef or battle raps for fun. I love Cole and have listened to his entire discography like I’ve listened to Dots. I don’t think he’s got problems with Kendrick and I think Q told him that Kendrick doesn’t have any real problems with you, but he’s got real beef with Drake so get out of this because it’s going to get ugly.
What Cole does really well are character dissections. He did it to Kanye on False Prophets and various rappers on 1985. I think he could have made a similar track directed at Drake or Kendrick.
I mean to be fair to Cole everyone was saying Kendrick wasn’t a battle rapper before this beef 💀
Anyone who thinks Kendrick would have went at Cole like he did Drake aren't paying attention to how long Kendrick hasn't liked Drake.
Fact
FR
Hot take, but i think j cole wouldve held his own. ultimately j cole did not want to be seen fighting another man's battle, considering Drake and kendrick's history.
It would've ended up one of two ways:
Triple threat match and would've hurt his relationship with Drake AND kendrick.
Or it would've been Drake and j. Cole vs. kendrick, which I think would've helped Drake win, but it would've tarnished j coles' reputation/claim as one of the GOATS (Would've been at the mercy of Drake's movements)
It was a lose-lose for j cole. He made the right decision.
This is facts, plus I'm sure Cole didn't wanna be on Drake's side with him immediately coming at Kendrick's girl on Pushups. I don't think this beef would have ever made sense, Kendrick and Cole are much better suited for each other both skill and in terms of personal values, teaming up with Drake to go against Dot would be very inauthentic for him. I definitely think that coulda had something to do with his decision (alongside the song being weak and Schoolboy Q butting in).
I wholeheartedly disagree with this. He took a shot and it failed. He didn't have anything and I think it's because he actually likes Kendrick.It's not so much not wanting to fight another man's battle because he stepped in and defended Kendrick from P Diddy. I guess the one part I can agree is how it could tarnish his relationships with them, but Drake coming out victorious because Cole helped him? I partly feel like despite listening to Kendrick released, your still not giving him enough credit. Kendrick screwed Drake and he's still smearing it all over till this day meanwhile Drake waved a white and is now making petty little comments/posts instead of actually responding. I guess why that's you called it a hot take though.
Yeah he definitely likes kendrick and didn't want to commit to searching for dirt on him bc that's what drake and kendrick had to do.
7 minute drill wasn't great but I think if he would've committed to the beef we would've gotten some banger tracks from cole, that's really what I'm trying to say.
Maybe I shouldn't have said helped drake win, but j coles involvement would've made it a lot harder for kendrick to maneuver the beef.
Cole is way too chill to battle kendrick, he’s not angry enough, even Drake is angrier. But then again, Drake is not on cole’s level as a rapper.
If Drake and Cole fused together and had the Melodies and hate from Drake and the pen from Cole, I think it could’ve been a good battle
Thats the only way they can make a comeback at this point. FUUUUUUUUUSION HAAAAAAAA!
Cole couldn't hang with Dot when they first met. That's why we never got more than 2 songs instead of a whole tape. Dots' work was so far ahead of Cole that it forced him to get back in the booth and create FHD. He literally went back to his roots because he was failing to get any acclaim and was being out done by his peers. That's why I said from the beginning Cole let Nas down, don't let him let you down too. I like Cole, but he's always been inconsistent, and I'm sorry, but a feature run (albeit a legendary one) was not going to convince me that he could hang with Kendrick, especially in beef mode. The whole beef thing has been between Drake and Dot because of a 10-year feud. Cole was just in the way. Edit: auto correct
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Straight facts. I'm a big fan of Cole's music but he's never been in the same conversation as Kendrick, or even a Drake (to be fair, Drake uses writers so thats necessarily a fair comparison).
Part of the reason for this, imo, is that he tries to fit into this "conscious" lane while having nothing actually conscious or deep to say. In fact, Cole be saying some dumbass shit a lot of the time. Kendrick isnt some incredibly well-educated scholar or anything but jesus christ, some of the shit Cole says I'm just like bruh...please read a book. Just my opinion.
i still cannot let "strictly dickly" go from a so called conscious rapper
kendrick is on fucking future and travis scott songs and still puts together some fun creative wordplay to be goofy
but cole is like ... ahh ... um ... grippy
like dude, do better
I see not one lie told.
Facts, but let’s be real.. Cole knows he was gonna get washed bro. 7 minute drill wasn’t better than like that and his whole track got slapped by one bar in Euphoria
I honestly think Cole threw a stone and then hid his hands when he saw the online reception. He was throwing shots on Might Delete Later, and not just on 7 Minute Drill. It kinda comes across as some sucka shit honestly, especially after years of claiming that he'll step to anyone on the mic.
I like Cole's music a lot, but all he did was prove why he's not in the same conversation as Kendrick. Spending too much time online (self-admittedly) and convincing yourself to battle with Kendrick only to then take it back after you get clowned online, is some lame shit. Sorry but its true.
It's crazy because he was putting lil jabs throughout MDL! Had he not made 7 minute drill, idk where it would have gone. I think Cole wanted a kind of Lupe vs Royce thing. Just bar the other person to death.
Totally agree, you can´t compare yourself to Ali and call yourself the best, the GOAT, etc, and then bow out at the very first sign of trouble and keep your reputation intact...
Because you can beef whitout dirt and malice, you could have just keep it on skills, so yeah i WAS a huge Cole fan but i admit that he lost me a bit with this one.
edit: maybe not a HUGE fan haha, just a fan (not freaky ass nothing tho).
Yup agreed. That trans bar on Pi was super wack
And he really thought he said something with that bar, too. You can tell he thought it was some real shit lmao
It’s on record that Schoolboy told Cole to bow out. It could’ve been a friendly spar between Cole and Dot, but it’s clear Kendrick was on a mission to take Drake’s head off lol
That story is obviously fake man.
“Our writer saw Q and Cole talk, but wasn’t able to find out what they spoke about.”
2 lines later
“Actually our secret source told us that Q and Cole met and Q told Cole to back down!”
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic when mentioning it to be fake lol
Kendrick 1000% was never keeping it friendly.
People always gone make excuses for their favorites you know how that shit go
Kendrick would've washed Cole. J Cole really isn't all that. He's just a good rapper.
That's what I've been saying. Cole is still a really good rapper. He's just not a battle rapper.
This is why we don’t need a collab album from them tbh. They should both continue going separate ways.
Super cap. Drake was the target the whole time. He's been hating Drake going on 13 years.
Not true drake , drake took the control verse personally and hating on Kendrick , u need to the interview
Nah this goes back even further than that. When pusha t put out the Exodus diss back in 2012, Kendrick was on record saying he felt the same way about Drake. They went on tour and recorded together a year prior and it's been up since then.
Pls provide the link
I mean it could be about something else but pusha's diss was released like a month before this tweet.
In that case they are both wrong
He wanted friendly fade... With a pedophile?
Cole is a conscious rapper
Kendrick is that and more
lol cole is not a conscious rapper
I’d say he is.
this nigga dont listen to cole lmaooo
Or he does and realizes you can’t be conscious and still be that big of a shitty bigot. Cole is clearly queerphobic and unlike Kendrick (auntie diaries) refuses to introspectively look at himself and challenge those beliefs, you know the way that being conscience would facilitate
My dream scenario is drake never makes it personal and we got a Mexican standoff rap battle. Cole vs drake vs kdot.
Lets stop lying to ourselves, pretending kendrick wanted a friendly fade. He wanted all the smoke
I think j Cole made the right move. If he went at Kendrick and not Drake then it would’ve looked like he’s siding with Drake. And he probably didn’t want to be on the side of pedo claims.
The move for Cole would’ve been to go at Kendrick AND Drake. And he probably just didn’t want to get into all that. He isn’t a battle rapper. He just wants to chill and make music
Kendrick baited Drake into a battle, then baited him again into making it personal. He never wanted a friendly fade.
I don’t like the myth that J Cole would’ve fared better against Kendrick. Personally, I think there is a small but significant amount of Jealousy within J Cole’s respect for Kendrick
In any competitive profession , you know where you’re ranked amongst your peers, even if you tell others you’re the best. KD, Paul George, Giannis can all believe they’re the best but they all bring their a game when Lebron comes to play. Same thing with these rappers.
I think the reason we never got the Cole Kdot collab album is because Kendrick absolutely washed him. Cole knew he got washed on Black Friday. Cole saw the success of TPAB and tried to copy Kendrick with a concept album of his own with 4 Your Eyes Only
Apart of me believes Drake knew that he could never beat Kendrick in a rap beef (deep deep down). This is why he’s okay with releasing shit from a butt (I mean THP6) cuz the ass whoopin is over
yeah that KDot/Cole album at that point was no longer really beneficial to Dot either
I think you're right in some ways but "tried to copy Kendrick with a concept album of his own with 4 Your Eyes Only" isn't really fair imo. There's nothing wrong with seeing your peer do something incredible and feeling inspired enough to attempt something on that level. Not to mention 4YEO doing 500k sales for a conscious concept album is pretty incredible. I don't think it's too fair he got absolutely washed when he dropped 2 classics back to back. FHD especially is timeless music, and when people talk about the best hip hop from our generation decades from now songs like No Role Models and Neighbours are gonna be highly regarded in that conversation.
I meant Kendrick washed J Cole on the collab album and Cole or someone on his team didn’t want that released. Everything else u said was fair
idk Cole should (and most likely is) proud of what became of Dreamville. when I think of rappers jealous of their peers i think of dudes who are insecure about the fact that they couldnt really make as big of a mark on rap as they probably wanted to IE The Game.
Cole has plenty of shit going for him and a respectable legacy and loyal fans and colleagues. seems absolutely silly to be jealous of a peer for their achievements. because of Cole, JID got the resources he needed to make shit like The Forever Story as dope as it is
I love Cole, and I respect and accept his answer as to why he bowed out.
We may still get a colab or a diss battle between Kenny and Jermaine, but this wasn't the time for those two given where it was always gonna go with Drake.
I think if it was JUST J and K, they would have had a good time with it.
Imagine being mad at a guy for taking a gracious L in a battle he woulda lost anyways. J Cole makes great music, just appreciate him for who he is
Fact .
I think I'm a different situation, I might agree. But kendrick and drake was coming, and you don't want to start a friendly fade with someone who's preparing for war. Even if they don't fuck you up it just feels rude, like trying to playfight with someone that's about to have a boxing match.
Kendrick been poking at Drake for 10 years then says in his first diss track I hate you, etc….what about any of this makes yall feel it was friendly lol
Friendly fade? I think it can go either way. Cole can rap rap lol if it's some Tory Lanez and Joyner Lucas type of battle then my money is on Cole.
It goes beyond friendly fade?? Kendrick wins.
Cap. What actually happened was that Schoolboy Q called J Cole and told him to apologize immediately and get out of the diss war because it would’ve literally ruined his career, J Cole thought about it and actually agreed. Why you think homie was chilling on a beach in peace after it happened? Meanwhile Drake is still being clowned and had to leave the country just to find some semblance of normalcy after being called a groomer and outed by the fact that all of his homeboys are pedos. No one wants that kind of attention on their record.
J. Cole was warned that's why he didn't go. Because it's pretty obvious in Euphoria that Kendrick was ready to drop a bombshell. It was honestly a smart move because I can't imagine that Kendrick entered that with just shit on Drake.
drake did Cole wrong, Kendrick asked drake why pretending he didnt? bird b*+ches
Honestly idgaf abt the beef i fw cole and dot and not drake
Kenny is an old school Gemini. He wanted a friendly fade and or violence.
Buddy is out of the loop, Kendrick didn’t want a friendly fade. I mean he said that in euphoria and 6:16, but he knew Drake would ignore the warning that why he warned Cole it was gonna end badly
JCole's fans did such a quick 180 going from "Kendrick is so overrated Cole's gonna wash him" to "JCole is being really mature to protect his mental health and not get into pointless beef" they should get checked for whiplash
idk what happened with Cole. idek if the "Q warned him" story is real. what i know is he got himself gassed up. wrote, recorded, mixed and mastered his diss. added it last minute to his mixtape. released it. got clowned on by everyone comparing Kendrick's albums to his. and "didnt like the talk" so suddenly hes Mr. God Align Me On My Path. he really used all the words — spirit, my path, relapsed. and talked as if he wasnt rapping the last 3-4 years as if he was ready for smoke with whoever
JCole is just not that guy. he convinced himself he was. his fans convinced him he was. but hes not. and thats ok. but lets not forget that he jumped out the window, regreted it or got spooked, and bowed out. how do you expect a good battle against a guy like that?
I think that's a pretty negative way to look at it. To me it's like Cole admitted he's just human. Everybody gets caught up in moments and do things that aren't true to themselves, pretty much every rapper claims they're the best and that they have smoke for anyone that says otherwise. I admire Cole for dropping the facade and being honest with himself and his fans/peers. Everybody knows that track was below Cole's ability, he didn't have the animosity or ammunition to use against Kendrick and that's fine. Maybe he's just a bad battle rapper. He made a mistake dropping it but he apologized and accepted lots of humiliation and disrespect for it. Keep in mind, his choice to apologize and remove the song has cost him a lot more then doubling down ever would of. No matter how he fared he would've been respected for giving it all he's got.
Cole may not be "that guy", as in the best rapper alive ready to take on anyone, but he is absolutely that guy. He's built an incredible career from nothing, put out classics, helped other amazing rappers find their footing through Dreamville, all while being one of the most humble, kind and authentic people in hip hop. It's funny to see people hate on him so hard, cause if you really think about it with the amount of success and great music he's released he's better at rapping then most people are at literally anything. Most people talking shit have no ground to stand on.
Yeah he shouldn't have dropped it, yeah he's not the best rapper, but he's an incredible person with stronger values then most people I know.
Kendrick would go after anyone I feel like and keep it friendly, but he's got some animosity toward Drake and to be honest I feel like someone reached out to J Cole and told him that...why he ended up apologizing. I don't even know if Cole knew the true type of hate Kendrick really had toward Drake.
considering kendrick has had his disses locked and loaded for a while, id love to believe that he previewed some to Cole to show him the type of energy he's really on. imagine cole heard meet the grahams like a few hours before his show/apology lmao! was like ok cool message received loud and clear im cool w allat
I will never, EVER understand why Cole doesn’t get his credit in this sub. This comment section is absolutely DELUSIONAL. Yall even listen to the dudes bars or nah?
Cole has been roasted relentlessly for apologising
I mean there's nothing you can really say about Kendrick besides his height... He doesn't flex and post memes, he just makes music that people love... The only thing Cole could think of to say was his last albums don't sell like pop rappers albums...
Which was cap
“Ass exhibition”
Poor choice of words there. I don’t wanna see that 🤦🏻♂️
Cap that shit predestined to go to hell
I’d like y’all to remember that Schoolboy Q hit this man up like “aye man… the Homie bout to sHoot sHit up, just wanted to let you know”
J Cole’s diss wasn’t great but I still enjoy over all of the diss tracks Drake dropped and I didn’t expect that at all.
Apparently SBQ warned and said get out of it, it wasn’t going to be friendly like it was supposed to be.
Did Q not tell him to take a pass on this one, as a friend?
Honestly it wouldn't have been a good beef. Cole and Kendrick don't really hate each other like that and I believe Cole's first shot would've been the only one or at least his best one. Dot would've maybe responded but it wouldn't even come close to anything he dropped on Drake and we wouldn't even be talking about it now.
Cole has never been ready for battle. Listen to that bullshit he said at the end of Fire Squad and you’d know it
Glad he bowed out before getting roasted into a charcole like substance.
Honestly I think Kendrick would have bodied Cole, but I don’t think that’s why Cole dropped out and apologized. Cole’s confidence is crazy and he really believes in the idea of legacy. I really think Cole just thought the whole thing had become dumb (from his perspective). He respects Kendrick and realized that the bed he made would forever sour the relationship and polarize fans if he didn’t swallow his pride. Cole seems to be like the type of person who knows that you can rebuild your reputation from some things and others you can’t. And I think from his perspective when he only wanted the beef to be about who is the best and not personal, long term it was worth bowing out and putting in the work to rebuild his brand.
Everyone knows k.dot wanted to body drake what no can see is that j.cole helped persuade the situation dot an Cole have a secret album so they say they also had a friendly fade let's not forget the black friday thing they did where they exchanged each other beats and went in now let's not forget who went harder on those tracks with jokes and punch lines and who had more to say k.dot won that too Cole knew to help dot body that man for the simple fact they are both trying get the rap community back to its origins of speaking out against social injustice and healing the people mentally and trying to tell the community woke rap is alive an well an to throw that clown stuff out the window like most of drakes catalog.
I feel j Cole should tried to put them on a call before it got this bad for drake
That's the thing tho I think Cole secretly didn't like drake the whole time and only stayed close to him so this could happen you know the hood play games like this all the time and dot and Cole from the bottom they know how to snuff a fraud.
Kendrick respects Cole but he thinks he's better than Cole and wants everyone to know. That's just hip hop.
Kendrick fucking hates Drake tho. Smart of Cole to dip when it got personal.
Nah he was scary and we should’ve had the battle amd I’m a Cole fan but cmon man
Not sure about that my G. Cole CAN be scary but you need to sharpen and iron out those skills on the regular. What Kendrick dishes out in this short period of time IS SCARY.
I don't think in this zen-vibe Cole mode, you will get that out of him. The wolf is still in him but tucked away and fangs are getting weak, not ready for battling. I feel like he knows this too. Kdot on the other hand, I promise you he probably has that 8-5, clock into work and work on my rap game mentality...like Eminem. I feel like Kdot is the Batman of the game, quietly, I wouldn't be surprised if he has already created notes and angles on ALL rappers, for funzies. Wouldn't be surprised if he even has diss records on em in case anyone wants to pop off...THAT is scary.
I mention batman because there was a movie just like that, Batman had all the weaknesses on everyone at justice league and someone took the plans. Kendrick is The Night.
Dot didn’t actually want a “friendly fade” that’s why Cole backed out. They both knew Drake Combs would be stupid enough to make it personal for no reason at all. I applaud Cole til this day for not messing w this beef that wasn’t his to begin w. And also not messing w Kenny Voorhees 🤣🤣🤣
Robbed how? His response wasn’t good. I don’t think the next would have gotten better
Cap.... Kendrick was baiting Drake. He said keep it a friendly fade because he knew Drake did not have the ability to do that.
I feel like I need to start by saying this… I’m a Kendrick fan. What DID drake say that allowed Kendrick to attack his family? I’m listening and the only thing I can find is the ‘bodyguard like Whitney’ line. Doesn’t seem so bad. Plus the double entendre on the movie the bodyguard. Seemed more like a clever line than an attack on family.
I’m a Cole fan first and foremost and I also don’t care what the motivation was. Cole should’ve stayed in the fight. You don’t spend 5 years claiming to be the goat, release a diss track, and then take it all back. If he wanted to stay out of it, he should’ve stayed out of it from the beginning. The indecision looks like weakness.
I think a CalmDown type collab is what we need between Kenny and Cole. Busta rhymes and Em did it best. That’s how two titans friendly fade.
Potentially unpopular opinion: you cannot have good rap beef if the people beefing do not have a certain level of animosity towards each other. If Kendrick and J Cole wanted to "battle it out" a much better way would be for them to collaborate with each other on a couple of songs where both of them are trying their hardest to outdo the other.
🧢 you can't call the beef friendly after yesterday I personally forgive Cole cause of how it escalated. Somebody would've always ended lying and causing issues
Nahh i think cole just smart he aint in the game for the fame thats why he did not battle with kendrick i fw with cole a lot.
I disagree. I think J. Cole's decision to step back is going to continue to age like fine wine and expensive cheese.
Grippy
COle dodged a bullet
Nah after what I’ve seen from Kendrick, I clearly didn’t hate some of my enemies enough.
And not for nothing Cole started the shit!😂
TRAVIS SCOTT IS BETTER
Aw, j Cole looks so nice in that picture, I think we should forgive him
Facts but also it’s not this deep. It could’ve been really fun Cole vs Kendrick, but it was set to fail because of the genuine beef with Drake and his manipulative antics
J Cole woulda fucked Kendrick up
It didn't fit well for Jcoles soul so really he did what was best for him. Good on Jcole.
7min drill was alittle mid.
In Tupacs words 'back the fk up before you get smacked the fk up'
Even if Kendrick wanted to keep it friendly, that was unlikely.
Cole seemed so uncomfortable doing it. I think he felt pressure from others to do it. Responding honestly was worst to me then pulling the response because that’s just not J Cole. He’s the classic, “let’s come together” type person.
I made a meaningless, unnecessarily long Reddit post about this a while ago , but yeah I agree.
No fucking way Cole calls himself the best +10 years, drops FPS, and somehow gets a pass in any way when shit don't work out for him in the end.
I don't see how or why that's been the narrative this whole time.
off topic but cole looks majestic in that photo
I think Kendrick was intent on going as far as he needed to with Drake. He knew enough to also assume that Drake was going to try and snake him immediately by getting personal and that’s probably why Q decided to give that heads up to Cole at his festival. I love Cole almost as much as I love Kendrick, but I agree with Budden’s take that had he not apologized Euphoria would’ve been 10 minutes long and Kendrick would’ve annihilated both of them. He’s been that guy for a long time.
I be wanting to give J Cole a pass but the I remember how spicy he’s been talking on tracks over the 3+ years, then he links up with Drake knowing they opps I’m the rap game. All things considered, he still a bi**h 🤷🏾♂️
I'ma die on the hill that Cole apologizing and bowing out with his head up was the realest part of this whole ordeal.
That being said, I think Kendrick would've beat Cole, but I don't think it'd be nearly as clear cut as it was against Drake (I also think that Drake would've had a much easier time against Cole, not that he would've necessarily won, but he probably doesn't get destroyed like he did)
Idk if this is considered a hot take but I don’t think Cole is that good. And when I say that people act like I’m saying he’s terrible. I just find him serviceable as a rapper. I’ve never heard a Cole verse or song and think“How did he come up with that?” Kendrick and Cole prolly would have never went personal but Kendrick would have went the Drake route in that you don’t have any accolades you can talk about with me? He only got like 1-2 Grammys and he never had a number 1 single until first person shooter. The only notable thing he did that Drake and Kendrick did was being platinum with no features.
J Cole still bitch made for what he did. Simply because if people were glazing his record, he'd 100% be in on the beef. He's not someone who I'd trust tbh. Snakey behavior.
People that use the J Cole was right meme are missing the point of how questionable his character still is. Regardless if Kendrick holds him in a better place than Drake.
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Kendrick didnt want a friendly fade lol. He knew Drakes tendencies and knew hed make it personal. Cmon