July 2 | General Discussion Thread

Who leaked them? Anyone coulda slapped a turtle on the top and typed out non specific threats about suicide. I mean, I'm not a turtle girl or a hater, but there is zero proving that's from Aiden. Even the "proof" they have doesn't look copacetic.

The fact the KR had so many communications with this POS gives me a lot of insight into who KR is, another POS!

I’m looked at the tweet, yet I do not follow what it means. Can you please eli5?

Oh JOs phone is the nail in the coffin for sure - it took 30steps at or around 34fv when KR was back at home.....explain that

Well then they didn't actually do their job as a jury. 

JO in the house is an alternative theory. 

They were supposed to be deciding one thing, did KR hit JO with her Lexus, leading to his death.

That's all. 

Someone who is drunk, incompetent and highly anxious.

Yes blunt force trauma will cause raccoon eyes. It is interesting that only one eye was black and swollen when they found him. The other blackened up after.

Blunt force trauma to the back of the head can and does cause black eyes. The force travels from the occipital skull. In addition he had basalar fractures which are associated with black eyes.

Re head injuries, in testimony of medical examiner, it can.

Re. 911 - no probably not if your buddy Michael Proctor is available and you are a cynical person. If they found him in their yard or on the stoop a couple hours later, they might have assessed that he was already gone. Might explain the notorious text “hos long to die in the cold”

He has multiple impacts to the head. Eye, left temporal and occipital.

Yes brain swelling can cause this.

why do I feel like I'm on a carousel inside a funhouse

A fellow being interviewed on Court TV yesterday morning. He did not reveal his source.

No not confirmed. A fellow on Court TV yesterday morning.

No it’s more gossip

If it's not true I have lost all faith in humanity 🤣🤣

where was it debunked and by whom?

https://x.com/GlobeFPhillips/status/1808188903712870486 

Guy from the Boston Globe still has his tweet up claiming it was 10-2 guilty.

Oh ok. If they can’t tell you where they heard it, well then yeah it’s probably just a rumor.

Isn’t it obstruction to do that?

He is a private investigator who served as a corrections officer w/ (Brian?) Albert 30 years ago. I remember reading an article awhile back that they would both become members of the BPD boxing club. He gave off the impression they were acquaintances and they are seen in photos together over the years. When he saw Karen Read being arraigned on the news he reached out to Yanetti to share what he thinks really happened, namely that a vehicular collision would result in much more severe injuries and he believed that O'Keefe was beaten. He knew the people involved and what they were like.

So much appreciated

He later admitted he had no inside info and was going off of media reports. The defense didn't even put him on their witness list.

I’m not sure, just heard it and could remember the main details.

Remember the defense stated in closing arguments that JO was ambushed upon entering 34 Fairview. They had to say this because they know the gps data shows a maximum of 3 possible minutes he could have been inside the house.

So, even according to the defense, it couldn’t have been an accident.

Makes sense ok tx

I can’t see people going through the motions to bother covering that up unless they found him and thought he was dead and just moved him to take the pressure off being potentially investigated for his death.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was an accident and they found him a couple hours later and he was dead. So they google "hos long to die in the cold" and move him because if he's on the property it's a liability issue potentially.

Fight seems more likely though

100%. Drunken fights that result in serious injury or death happen every day for literally no reason.

I understand why he was consulting with the attorney just not why he was allowed to do so? Is it normal procedure for any witness to be allowed to consult an attorney while giving testimony?

That makes sense, but there are no charges against him as far as we know. Or are there?

Any reputable journalist will be able to keep them anonymous if they want to talk, but what they say could inflame one side or the other.

However, there are a number of people who have seen those jurors who probably don't have the same standards about anonymity. A number of them have probably been identified by them already. That's who I'm worried about, and I don't know that they won't do anything with that.

Like the people congregating outside of Proctor’s house. He’s a piece of shit for what he said and did, but standing outside someone’s house is next level

Not with how judge Bev wrote the verdict form. It was either not guilty of all charges OR mark guilty under each charge. She did NOT give the option of not guilty to each charge, only not guilty to ALL charges. That’s why Jackson argued with her but she said they “always” do it this way in their state.

This was one of the guys that were invited on court TV. The LTD guy I think. Not sure if he is credible but I can believe 6/6 deadlock over 11/1 for guilty which is the only other set of numbers I’ve seen.

The guy that reported this is Sean A McDonough. He said he was told to sit on it but, then posted it after someone that goes by LTL did a live blurb in his car yesterday(?).

I don’t know who LTL is but, I’ve followed Sean for a bit.

ETA- as far as sources, Sean seems to have some good ones. He grew up in Canton, was a DEA agent for 35 yrs.

Right? That’s exactly why I don’t believe this source. They could’ve found her not guilty on murder 2 and hung on everything else

He isn’t anonymous 😂 I don’t know if he is credible but he is definitely not anonymous.

Yes. good pt. Im sure people drive by the home

The parents of the child victims who were murdered at Sandy Hook fled their homes because they were being harassed, threatened, and traumatized by unhinged conspiracy theorists who were egged on by a grifter with a national platform. The Alberts have never claimed that they sold their generational family home and moved because they were being harassed.

They had their kids die and were harassed. What excuse does this family have? The harassment didn’t begin until well after they sold their home.

Moving homes because your child was murdered at school is a completely different situation and not at all representative of the potential connection of John’s death and the Alberts moving.. come on now.

oh I just think its odd. I mean the alberts grew up there, and BA raised his family there, that to me would be a house that would be offered to the next generation of alberts to raise their family too. You are right though, it doesn't prove anything. They probably sold because of the attention the trial was getting.

They are (were) Canton "elites" with their fingers in many public and private institutions in the town. And then for no apparent reason they moved out of the town and sell their million-dollar house for well under asking in one of the hottest seller's markets in history. If I remember, the sale happened shortly after the FBI investigation was made public.

The new owners would have no obligation to let law enforcement just casually look around if they wanted to. It would have to be a warrant, which might not be granted. But if they still owned the house, it would looks suspicious if they didn’t let law enforcement in.