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Rankingsicl i dont see a universe where maki loses to ryu, uro maybe but that's more of a matchup thing
she loses to yuji though and yuji loses to ryu
Yuji is like, Ryu's worst enemy. He can lower Ryu's output, and has good enough RCT to tank everything that Ryu throws at him.
Sendai Yuta was using his fists to block a GB, and Shinjuku Yuta and Yuji have the same durability. Yuji should easily win that fight
nuh uh it's edo ryu
and why you do that, it’s not even edo ryu in the pic 😭
He's featless lol
he's literally incarnated ryu but in his own body and doesn't have to worry about yuji's soul punches
I don't remember them ever saying that, but let's assume you're right. Yuji still has enough durability to tank his attacks and heal from them, so he still wins by attrition.
Yuji has almost unrivalled physical stats, he can box with Ryu even if his output is weaker
dont think it needs to be said that incarnated ryu wasnt somehow stronger than he was in his original body, and without soul punches yuji would have to beat ryu before his simple domain gets broken by ryu's domain which is really unrealistic in my opinion considering ryu's super high durability and ability to attack from a range while yuji can't
I don't think Ryu would even beat him in a domain, considering how simple his technique is. Yuji can spam RCT while Yuta couldn't, so Yuta was getting weaker over time. Yuji doesn't have that issue.
Also I don't see why his incarnated body wouldn't be stronger, just compare the physiques. Strength makes a difference when it comes to output, that's what makes Yuji so strong
his technique has nothing to do with it, yuji just doesn't realistically beat ryu and his insanely high durability before his simple domain gets broken
fym compare the physiques? theyre literally the exact same with a costume switch man
He does lol, his punches still hit the soul just worse on reincarnated sorcerers
Doesn’t work on sorceress who’s other soul is dead, he can only do it on sukuna because megumi is still there.
That's not true, he still strikes at the boundary of the souls. Just because the other soul is too weak to try and fight back doesn't mean it's not there
No angel said that the incarnated sorcerers destroyed the soul of their previous owner when they incarnated
Nahh, I wouldn’t say she “loses” to Yuji it’s likely a equal fight and she definitely doesn’t lose to ryu, her durability is also insane
Erm what the sigma whys higuruma super low
geto has a cursed tool 😔
Doesn't matter, bitch gets 5 confiscations and 11 death penalties.
Also I'm sure that as long as the cursed tool doesn't have a CT then it doesn't get taken away instead of the CT.
If the user doesn't have a CT however it does protect your CE usage.
why didnt higurama just hit sukuna with 5 confiscations and 11 death penalties, is he stupid
when was that said
Sukuna is actually the good guy in the story. The MC. He being the royalty is also above the japanese law. He allowed himself to get sentenced because he wanted all the smoke.
Also it's because I'm sure I know how Higuruma's confiscation works.
Naoya states "Those who wield weapons are dependent on them to win".
And that's what dictates the order of confiscation, "What is the last addition of power the enemy needs to win". Not what is most powerful nor what would cripple the sentenced the most.
And given CTs are higher in the order then that means basic CE manipulation is treated as a more primordial step. Thus Cursed tools without CTs must also be below the CT order.
The order of confiscation should be:
- Proper Independent Shikigam like Rika or Garuda that don't rely on a CT.
- Cursed Tools with Techniques
- Abnormal external attributes (6E as it's a characteristic granted by Tengen, not natural by any means).
- Additional CTs (10 Shadows for Meguna, any of Kenjaku's CTs).
- Original CTs (Shrine for Meguna, Kenjaku's actual CT, 10S for Megumi).
- Dependent Shikigami like Yuta's hairs.
- Cursed Tools without Techniques.
- CE manipilation.
- I'm positive at this point you get handcuffed.
It sort of starts at the most external source of power and escalates to the most personal strength.
Wanna point out that to me Higuruma confiscating Kamutoge never seemed like a plot hole or plot convenience. It was always perfectly explicable with a sum of Higuruma's lack of experience and Naoya's statement.
unfortunately geto isn't the good guy or royalty and has a laundry list of death-sentence worthy crimes higurama could use
naoya immediately contradicted himself though by using a weapon on choso though without depending on it to win, i don't think the story really wants you to take his opinion seriously
the panel i sent you says that anyone with a cursed tool gets their cursed tool confiscated instead of their ct period though, no exceptions, doesn't matter if the cursed tool has a cursed technique or not
Nono he is right, he just accepts he's an asshole.
It's like a politician saying it's bad to steal. You're not supposed to follow a politician's steps in corruption, but paying attention when he does say something important is good. Mainly when it's something clearly hypocritical.
(I was gonna say something about Sukuna, but it's still in the air if his philosophy is the correct one.)
whar
Kenny >Yuta
Higuruma slams Uro
Mahito too low
Glad to see Hakari respect
no he aint
get him past geto
how the hell does he beat death penalty + executioners sword
wild how that is somehow a rare occurrence on this sub
Yes, Kenny >Yuta (unless Yujo)
Geto is stronger than Uro btw
He can make cursed tool from transfigured human+ he can do some philosophical defense that he is not human, so he shouldn't be judged by human law
how does kenjaku beat yuta
get geto past curse naoya
not how cursed tools work all
mahito ain't gonna beat fucking higurama in an argument dawg
No terrible i dissagree with a bit tho
No Kusakabe? No Miguel? No Todo? But Dagon gets on the list?
dagon domain diffs all of em
Really interesting list but I’m upvoting it for the WAKARI respect
this list aint even got my hottest takes
If Yuji is below hakari , than maki is above both
why didn't gojo say "hold off unless maki or yuta could take me"
This list is lowk mid
Mahito is far too low
get him past higurama
Panda still not getting the recognition he deserves 😔
He, KasHIMo and Hakari top 3 via logic manip and put Takaba right after them
they actually at 0, 0.5 and 0.75 but you can't comprehend it because they're in the 7th dimension
Yuta is NOT top 3 dawg
why not
Kenny is stronger, don't listen to the other guy about Kashimo though.
only thing kenjaku has over yuta is his domain and yuta can counter it, man was getting beat up by an almost dead yuki
man was getting beat up by an almost dead yuki
That just upscales Yuki
Kenjaku can win against Yuta. Kenjaku is around the same level but is far better in battle strategy so he would have that edge.
battle strategy doesn't really matter when the opponent is stronger and faster than you unless you plan for the fight beforehand
Kenjaku and Kashimo are stronger
Get Hakari the fuck outta there
JJK fans when Hakari is scaled near the heavy hitters he’s capably fighting or already beat.
update: he is now top 2 and not 2
Holy based
KasHIMo should be higher due to logic manipulation
kashimo's actually at number 0 but he's in the 7th dimension so you can't see it
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Kenjaku above Yuta. Jogo and Mahito, Specially Mahito, have it easy to kill Geto.
yuta counters open domain with his miniature domain, get jogo and mahito past higurama
We don’t know if Yuta can normally make a mini-domain, same way we can’t say we know Yuji normally using RCT output. The Jujutsu ability provided by the 6-eyes might be necessary to recreate the small barrier, at least with the amount of time it was done in.
Wdym by "same way we can't say we know Yuji normally using RCT output"? Yuji just doesn't have RCT output
Because he was in Yuta’s body, and practiced RCT then, yet we have no reason to believe he can use RCT output.
I've never seen anyone claiming he can output RCT
I don’t claim he can output RCT, and I haven’t heard anyone else say he can either. I don’t even believe he can. I was just using it as an example to say “Just because Gojo can doesn’t mean Yuta can, just because Yuta can output RCT and Yuji body swapped with him doesn’t mean he can also output it.”
But for some reason everyone thinks I’m claiming Yuji can output RCT???
we do though
he said "my" barrier techniques when he made it, not gojo's
The Jujutsu ability provided by the 6-eyes might be necessary to recreate the small barrier
i don't see how any of the six eyes' powers are supposed to help with that at all
The basketball domain was improv by Gojo, Yuta couldn't have trained for it.
Yuta himself hasn't shown using a basketball domain outside of Gojo's body, so we can't really assume
we don't know if it was improv and even if it was, yuta saw him do it and learned gojo's barrier techniques from switching with him, so he probably would've been able to improv as well after watching gojo and sukuna fight
no but he said it was a part of his barrier techniques and said it was because of gojo's training, so we can assume
I don't see how Yuta could possibly learn a basketball domain when he hasn't really had experience with being inside the prison realm. I get that Gojo was inside it and he knows what it feels like, but given everyone's reactions to the basketball domain I don't think Yuta was training for that
already explained why and we never saw yuta's reaction to gojo making a small domain
Yuta isn't Sukuna, he can't just mimic whatever he sees
dawg he is literally more talented than gojo and got a good enough grasp over ce over the course of like a couple of months to use black flash
1) That doesn't matter, the domain is weak from the inside. And Kenjaku is master of barrier techniques. He can just escape it. Sukuna doesn't because he's a motherfucker and wants all the smoke.
Besides Yuta wouldn't be able to that domain unless inside Gojo's body, he hasn't experienced Prison Realm himself so he wouldn't get how to recreate it. I'm convinced he didn't replicate the domain from the ground, he used the conditions already engraved in Gojo's body instead.
2) I like that way of thinking for powerscaling. Putting people that consistently beat others above even if not as powerful in raw stats. (As long as they also beat everyone below.)
But even then I'm sure Higuruma beats Geto and that allows Mahito and Jogo be able to fight for at least 1 more step, both above Geto.
Higuruma should scale just below Yuji or Toji/Maki as he can't beat those but can beat almost everyone else on that level.
it does since it gives him 3 minutes to fight kenjaku without having to worry about his domain getting broken, probably longer actually since kenjaku's sure hit is weaker than sukuna's and would take longer to break the barrier
he would, since gojo experienced the prison realm and made yuta's body memorize his barrier techniques, plus yuta didn't get gojo's memories anyways from swapping with him since he didn't know sukuna could use amplification in his domain, so yuta wouldn't be able to use a miniature domain in or out of his body by this logic
geto has a cursed tool so higurama gets deep fried by uzumaki, even if he got past him he would have to deal with curse naoya who hasn't even done anything to warrant getting his ct confiscated so he gets cooked for sure
While true, it doesn't take away Kenjaku could just escape it from the inside rather than break it from the outside. Perhaps not if it's Gota though.
Granted.
Yeah that is actually a good point, Cursya is a brand new entity. He didn't get to commit that many crimes yet. However I'm sure he still gets killed because he had attempted murder, and since all his crimes would be attempted murder then he has it ensured he is tried for it and at least confiscation happens.
yuta wouldnt let kenjaku escape though
i assume its curse naoya before he fought maki since he died after the fight, and you could say him trying to kill maki was self defense since maki killed bros whole family
And he would do that how?
Kenjaku is always superior to Yuta. They themselves declare fighting Kenjaku can only be done with great common effort. In domain clash it's as if nothing changes when both are 120% boosted. Kenjaku has it far easier to escape than Yuta has it to try to stopping him (Dhruv's CT is actually good for that but it's not really hard for Kenjaku to stop the hair Shikigami with curses).
The Naoya part makes sense.
no he ain't, yuta is clearly better in combat than kenjaku if we compare kenjaku getting overwhelmed by near death yuki to yuta doing well against sukuna before he got seriously nerfed by yuji
the statement of kenjaku being unbeatable by normal methods is before yuta got jacobs ladder, which can straight up oneshot kenjaku, and before he got much stronger from switch training in all stats and learned how to counter open domains, which is most of the reason why yuki and choso lost in the first place
rika can handle any curse kenjaku throws out though
A bit of wank on Yuta but besides that it's pretty inaccurate.
you mean accurate?
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Yuta above Kenjaku, immediate downvote
bro said immediate downvote and didn't even try to explain why i was wrong
Because it’s already been said before. If you want to know why I think Kenjaku beats Yuta, just look at the like a hundred posts on this subreddit alone about the topic. If you’ve been active in this subreddit for even a week, you’ll know why I think Kenjaku beats Yuta. I’m not gonna waste time typing out an argument when it’s already been done before and nothing about the match up has changed. Unless you’re talking about Yuta in Gojo’s body, Kenjaku wins.
most of those arguments were repeated in this thread though and i debunked them, at least try to counter those before you instantly downvote my post
You didn’t debunk anything, you just regurgitated the same things people have been saving since chapter 261 was released. You think Yuta can use a miniature domain while in his own body, I don’t, end of discussion. Maybe chapter 263 will confirm that you’re correct, but till then this is a dead debate and this post has added nothing to the discussion.
Kenny above Yuta, first thing first, Anti-gravity is too strong and he has a ACTUAL 1000 years of experience. I feel like Ryu MIGHT go barely higher than Uro. AND JOGO ABOVE TOJI, Jogo took a red from a 11 years older, holding back Gojo, and recovered mid air with a bloody mark on his head. Toji took a red from a 11 years younger Gojo, that said himself he wasn't that focused and didn't care much, indicating he also didn't have killing intent like Gojo did against Jogo, and hadn't used red ONCE on ANYONE yet, and was stunned by it and felt like his bones were hurting.
anti gravity doesn't do enough damage to be a deciding factor in the fight and 1,000 years of experience aint allat when your opponent is just stronger and faster than you
uro just reflects everything at ryu
naw, jogo aint replicating maki's performance against sukuna
It literally slammed Yuki tsukumo into the ground, completely pinned down, plus he probably has the experience to focus the entire domains radius on one point. Also, what do you mean faster and stronger than you? Do you have any evidence that Yuta is faster and stronger? Oh and also what do you mean 1000 years experience doesn't mean all that when your opponent is faster and stronger? IT DOES, WE LITERALLY SEE THAT 1000 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE GO INTO USE AGAINST GOJO FUCKING SATORU, he teaches the curses domain amp, and gets a special grade cursed object.
Also its not Uro vs Ryu that should decide it, it should be how strong they are, especially considering Ryu has a bad matchup against Uro, and Ryu tanked a killing intent dismantle from a 15 finger Sukuna so he should easily be higher in terms of beating everyone.
naw, jogo aint replicating maki's performance against sukuna
Ok wanna lay down some actual feats that put Toji above Jogo? Because I layed down concrete evidence that puts Jogo's WEAKEST stat, his defense, above Toji's. Don't say "Oh Gojo didn't wanna kill Jogo" thats the same as Gojo not CARING to kill Toji.
yeah but it didnt do much damage, him being able to do that is headcanon, and a quick comparison of yuta fighting sukuna and kenjaku fighting near death yuki is pretty good evidence that yuta is faster and stronger
the next guy above uro is uraume, who can ignore ryu's durability by freezing him and is currently beating up hakari who scales to yuta, so no luck there
jogo would've died to black flashes from yuji near the start of the series while maki tanked 2 black flashes and multiple dismantles from sukuna, also did pretty well in combat against him while jogo got blitzed multiple times
and a quick comparison of yuta fighting sukuna and kenjaku fighting near death yuki is pretty good evidence that yuta is faster and stronger
Kenjaku came out of that fight with a missing shirt, Yuta got fucking cut in half, Kenjaku came out of that with bruises.
Also, it doesn't matter if womb infusion does much damage, it PINS YOU TO THE GROUND, he can literally just Uzumaki you while you are pinned to the floor and cant move your arms to cast a SD.
the next guy above uro is uraume, who can ignore ryu's durability by freezing him and is currently beating up hakari who scales to yuta, so no luck there
Yuta saying that is bullshit, Hakari is a god damn punch and kick merchant with some special stuff he can do, and Yuta can recreate a small malevolent shrine and along with that, other bullshit has been said, like Naobito being the 2nd fastest sorcerer including Sukuna, Naoya being mach 3, and probably some more stuff.
Statements aren't 100% solid evidence until they are believable.
Jogo would've died to black flashes from yuji near the start of the series while maki tanked 2 black flashes and multiple dismantles from sukuna, also did pretty well in combat against him while jogo got blitzed multiple times
Again, statements aren't 100% solid evidence until they are believable. By the way, that was a Maki who trained, who is definitely stronger than Toji from training, and if anything that should show how much the training benefitted her considering Toji felt like his bones were aching from said red.
Also, that was a Sukuna with no heart and focusing cursed energy output on circulating his blood stream, he was HEAVILY weakened.
Also I should probably talk more about Jogo instantly dying to black flashes from Yuji, of course if you took 4 hits with a exponent of 2.5 you would die, could Toji survive being hit by 32 goodwill Yuji's at once without at least nearly dying? And that's actually a good point, Jogo's durability is probably at lesat 50% lower than Toji's, but Jogo's output IS MASSIVELY BIGGER.
Gojo while in a VERY weakened state, took a hit from Agito, and took like, no damage, BUT JOGO, WEAKENED FROM HAVING FOUGHT GOJO AND REGENERATING SO MUCH USING RCT, AND ALSO FROM REGENERATING HIS ARMS TONS OF TIMES USING RCT, OUTPUTS ENOUGH CURSED ENERGY INTO MAXIMUM METEOR THAT SUKUNA HIMSELF CONFIRMS IT WOULD DAMAGE HIM.
kenjaku was getting overwhelmed by almost dead yuki while yuta held his own against sukuna before he got seriously nerfed by yuji, yuta is definitely more impressive in combat
im talking about anti gravity, which kenjaku can't use while also using another cursed technique at the same time, not womb profusion which yuta just cancels with his own sure hit
what about gojo saying it or them being portrayed as on a similar level multiple times
they are 100% solid evidence when gege says it and especially when nothing in the manga contradicts it
prove maki was stronger than toji from training? all the other sorcerers got stronger from switch training, which would be useless for maki since she doesn't have cursed energy, so i don't see how maki would get any significant amount stronger than toji in 1 month if at all
you still agree that he's way stronger than start of the series yuji, right...?
yes and it's obviously more impressive when you take 2 hits with an exponent of 2.5 from someone exponentially stronger, right? obviously jogo's output is bigger, but toji is faster and stronger
he wasn't weakened from fighting gojo, that was like a month before he fought sukuna lmfao, rct is easy for cursed spirits to use so it wasn't taking much of a toll on him, and toji is also capable of damaging sukuna so i still don't see how jogo doesn't just get blitzed and stabbed to death by toji or maki
kenjaku was getting overwhelmed by almost dead yuki
Do you know what fucking STAR RAGE IS? Of course he is being overwhelmed in hand to hand, Yuki literally has a technique allowing her to blast the arms of a 1000 year old sorcerer off in a single kick.
By the way, that's cool and all, but a mini-uzumaki impales right through Yuki.
yuta held his own against sukuna before he got seriously nerfed by yuji, yuta is definitely more impressive in combat
Stop saying that fighting a crippled Sukuna on like, 5 fingers of power is impressive, any upper high tier character like Yuta and Kenny could do that. Also, that Sukuna didn't even use his domain expansion on him, that Sukuna again, hit him with a FULL ON SPACE CLEAVE at close range, showing he was massively outpacing him if he could somehow land all the chants that close.
what about gojo saying it or them being portrayed as on a similar level multiple times
Because they are on a similar level, I was never saying Kenjaku blows him out of the water, Kenjaku just wins with like, inbetween high and extreme diff.
prove maki was stronger than toji from training? all the other sorcerers got stronger from switch training, which would be useless for maki since she doesn't have cursed energy, so i don't see how maki would get any significant amount stronger than toji in 1 month if at all
Yes, I will prove Maki can get stronger from training, because you know, her heavenly restriction can evolve further? There's NOTHING ever suggesting that heavenly restrictions like Toji just get locked at their level of strength, and the ability for your heavenly restriction to fully awaken just like how Gojo has a awakening with cursed energy suggest that training can actually help.
but toji is faster and stronger
Faster? I literally just explained how Jogo catches someone who was speed blitzing dagon and maybe goes faster than Toji while using his technique because we see him catch dagon before Toji just leaps up to catch the fleeing dagon. Jogo is probably therefore a decent bit faster than Toji if he can catch someone who caught Dagon before Toji could.
And also, Jogo has a MASSIVE amount of cursed energy, as seen from how many times he can regenerate his arms meaning he could probably survive casting his domain and watching Toji leave immediately. And to add on top of that Jogo's domain can probably actually hit Toji considering its sure-hit isn't really a sure-hit but just the domain being so hot it ignites anything that enters ti.
Also, Jogo is smart and outscales Toji in speed and attack power, we see he has some really good battle IQ when he uses his arm as a decoy against Gojo, so he would probably attempt to de-arm Toji/Maki and get the soul split katana out of their hand.
Also, seeing that Maki for some reason went for Sukuna's heart instead of his brain, which no 100% wasn't just because she wanted Megumi to live, she had no clue that Sukuna could survive without a heart, Jogo would probably survive the first hit of the soul split katana done to him. For Toji however he might not survive a soul split katana strike from him if it lands.
he wasn't weakened from fighting gojo, that was like a month before he fought sukuna lmfao
Bro what? I mean the shibuya fight with Gojo.
toji is also capable of damaging sukuna so i still don't see how jogo doesn't just get blitzed and stabbed to death by toji or maki
Yes, a crippled Sukuna.
yes and it's obviously more impressive when you take 2 hits with an exponent of 2.5 from someone exponentially stronger, right?
I'm pretty sure Maki had to drop out of the fight for a bit and get healed after that, but I might be wrong.
Kenny above yuta. Kashimo at #5. Sendai wank.
yuta counters open domain with his miniature domain, kashimo doesn't have rct so bro straight up dies if yuki hits him once, and i think uro and ryu are where they should be since uro counters most of the cast and ryu has more durability than most of the cast
You put kashimo above hakari so no. Its wrong.
Hakari beat kashimo.
Hakari rn if they fought 1 mile inland
kashimo wouldve won without water and even if you say he wouldnt he also didnt use his ct
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