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She hasn't mentioned it at all. When people criticize how fast TB and FF were to getting friendly the fandom will tell you it's cos they were close during SH days and TB remembers but there is nothing in game to suggest TB remembers any of that
Closest we've got is SW Astral express message mentioning SW and TB were old friends but nothing about TB remembering it. So idk why people are convinced it's a reason for TB being all close with FF so quickly during Penacony
TB stellaron hunter lore is mainly tied and addressed by Kafka and a hint with Blade, anything else hasn't been mentioned
Yeah was surprised that there weren’t any lore bits of Tb being a stellaron hunter, only a new info that Sam wasn’t the first SH and the one who recruited Kafka was probably TB (I’m referring to my deleted post), as the script in kafka’s archives wasn’t for sam but someone else, feels like there is more to tb than meets the eye so hopefully the game would finally give us tb lore for the love of god.
Amphoreus sounds like a place Kafka is gonna show up again, for both lore related reasons and the fact shes been missing since 1.2. Her reunion with TB is gonna be interesting given all they have gone through since and we are hopefully gonna get more TB SH lore coz it feels like a given everytime Kafka and TB are involved. Im looking forward to Kafka being in the spotlight again should be a nice change of pace
Also if we are right about Finality being one of the paths on Amphoreus we might get some Elio tidbits, or if the theories are right then it might be a Kafka and Sunday duo we see on Amphoreus
Elio is interesting to me here, the fact that our understanding of this dude keeps on switching with each new patch is something, and his relationship with tb maybe the biggest element of tb’s past,
And since it was revealed SH are following finality with Elio, there maybe some insane lore drops waiting for is in that meeting
It feels like Amphoreus place where we knew about Finality, Enigmata and Remembrance. And Elio maybe the Emanator of Finality
Elation more likely, mourning actors are likely a presence on there
Not to mention in the fake ending Black Swan arranged a meeting with Mourning actors on Patrevia then in the real ending her destination became Amphoreus. Mourning actors are related to remembrance and the planet sounds Greek so greek theater may be a major them on the planet
Dont think its remembrance, they can observe the planet from the outside but that doesnt mean they are one of the three involved. It could very well be that Black Swan is the only memokeeper who has business on Amphoreus
So Mourning actors are part of Elation faction but have connections with Remembrance, Remembrance will forseen would happen in Amphoreus but not have direct interaction.
Damn ,this new information for me, land of greek, land of philosophy and numbers.
As Reverse player this is funny to me, We're in Greek on our current main story right now and next story we will be in America, meanwhile in HSR we're on Penacony( Las Vegas ) and next main story planet we will be Greek. It reverse.
Who was stupid enough to yell that? Game litterally starts by SW telling Kafka that TB will not remember anything aside from her.
To be fair, that's not true. They recognize technology, colors, words, etc. They also remember how to swing a bludgeoning weapon around. Maybe there's more to it SW didn't really mention?
That’s why I’m kinda bummed about TB as a character. We already been to Belobog, Xianzhou Loufu and Penacony yet we don’t know shit about them except that he is connected to Kafka and was held as a vessel to Stellaron.
TB can be a kind hearted gremlin but that is all we know about them for now.
I can appreciate the long game they are going with this tbh, their journey is about the new memories they can create. Whether the ending is predetermined that fine, but along the way the things they do and the person they become is a good thing.
Their past will be slowly fed to us I feel, whenever Kafka showed up we got info about it and I suspect that when she shows up again we will get more. TBs past is like Marchs past, they are very similar in regards to focus on the future but the past will be drip fed until it gets focus. Will hit much better this way imo, but so long as we learn a bit more throughout arcs and so far only Kafka has given insight to TBs
Maybe. At least I like the distinction between the mcs in star rail and GI.
Traveler feels a lot more mature and experienced. He stomachs dark shit like someone dying more easily.
Tb on other hand is like a novice adventurer. He is a lot more wild but always ready to ask advice from more experienced people(especially Welt and Himeko)
One of firefly's text interactions suggests we truly have no memory and we likely never met her before. She asks us what gift she should get Kafka and our options are coats Glasses and lipstick, why not ask silverwolf, or I don't really know her. If you pick 3 she says Kafka talks about us all the time so she thought we were really close.
FF: (Oh wow, they really ARE on Penacony! Quick, act natural-) "Hey! Helpful-looking probably-strong person! Please, help me!"
TB: (A cute girl? And she needs MY help? IM ALL IN BABY) "Anything for you, sweet cheeks."
And that was that.
I do think TB's immediate attachment to Firefly is at least on some level their subconscious connecting those wires, but that's just my headcanon. I will say that I never saw people claim TB somehow remembered her as, like you said, that's never implied in-game, but then I don't read every comment on every post.
Im more active on here so I see more takes and there are absolutely people pushing TB remembering her even subconsciously during time on SH as the canon reason. Its simply a headcanon coz nothing has been confirmed or addressed, especially with TB relation so past encounters with SH
If people wanna Headcanon it thats completely fine there should be no issues with it, same as your own headcanon. But people push it as canon whenever people criticize the pacing of it. Thats where issues arise
There are even people who were pushing FF joining express when Penacony ends making so much sense lore wise now changing it to TB will leave express to join SH after 2.3. It feels like these takes are getting pushed as making sense canon wise until canon says no then they shift to a take that benefits how they want it to go. Nothing wrong with headcanons but pushing things as canon is where people will have problems and half the FF discourse is around these types of situations
ngl I'm decently active (lurk a ton), but haven't really seen much " people who were pushing FF joining express when Penacony ends making so much sense lore wise now changing it to TB will leave express to join SH after 2.3". Do you happen to have any examples?
That will go into drama territory calling out specific people but you can go to FireFly mains and see that take becoming popular, havent seen them mentioning it on this sub even if some people are active on this sub as well. I've since muted the sub and blocked a lot of the people there coz of a negative experience I didnt even ask for but when I went to mute it I saw it being discussed
But no not on this sub havent seen it mentioned, but many are active in both subs and ive since removed the option of interacting with
I'll take your word for it, and just say there are a lot of interesting beliefs, to say the least, out there. Internet's a wild place for sure!
I haven’t been active on this sub for a min so it was a while ago while the ff hype was crazy but I did see a lot of people saying that argument too in response to tb getting attached very quickly. So he’s not really lying about it, I personally think if that’s what hoyo was really trying to go for then they should’ve added dialogue options for the tb claiming they feel familiar or if they knew her but I’m pretty sure hoyo was not going for that
"now changing it to TB will leave express to join SH after 2.3" this is the part of referring t, specifically. I have never seen anyone making claims like that (maybe in a memey fashion, but even then I don't recall seeing that). TB as a previous SH isn't really HC as both Kafka and Blade (who was also recruited with Kafka and SAM) make mention of the TB's time with Kafka.
The idea of TB leaving the AE oth is a novel claim, and not one I've ever seen anyone seriously (or even jokingly tbh) argue it's going to happen. That "many" believe that without me noticing is something I'm skeptical of. Ofc it's possible, but that's why I wanted to know if there were any examples.
Ahh my mistake I thought you were referring to the “ff and tb were really close and tb remembers their stellaron hunter days together” that I’ve seen people say alot before. Yea you’re right tho the “tb leaving the astral express for the stellaron hunters” is something I haven’t really seen and it’s clearly used as a joke ain’t no way we’d leave the astral express crew, at best we’ll definitely ally with the stellaron hunters but not join them.
I dont post a ton lot in here, but I do keep tabs on posts (specially about FF) and never seen anyone make that reference either.
Funnily enough, I know the Black Swan pfp doesnt like the Firefly and TB shipping, because its always a quite constant in those posts lol.
Its not that I dont like people shipping them, everyone got different preferences. Its the fact that interpretations that go against the ship get treated aggressively even when people are being civil about it. Vice versa as well
Like yea I dont care for the ship, but its like you can't even say you dont like the dynamic without getting dogpiled and when you try and talk about certain lore interpretations any that are interpreted in certain ways are met with borderline hostility. Like if you say TB reaction to someone friendly dying in front of them isnt FF exclusive you get shat on. So you say im a constant on those posts its not to hate on the ship, but to discuss TB character or lore and there are some FF fans who are completely cool and civil when discussing it, in this very thread even
i mean at the beginning we can answer that they recognize kafka after waking up, or recognize Acheron(this one maybe just hi3d reference). So at least mc have inkling or leftover emotions about people from their past life.
She hasn't mentioned it at all. When people criticize how fast TB and FF were to getting friendly the fandom will tell you it's cos they were close during SH days and TB remembers but there is nothing in game to suggest TB remembers any of that
My argument is that TB still has lizard brain memories left over. They got along quite quickly with Silver Wolf as well.
Nothing explicit, but quite possibly one of those gut instincts saying: I can trust this person. I don't know why. I just know that I can.
We did get a clue when we fought sam in 2.0 and during the cutscene after the fight we get an achievement which is named "old friends, new friends". That's the most we got so far. Either way though it's still unknown till we get more info later down the line.
I think they do have to remember on some level, because if Kafka's spirit whisper was so effective as to even remove memories from the subconscious, then Blade wouldn't keep going all Mara-crazy on the Luofu. Honestly, I think they feel but don't truly remember their SH memories which would explain not only why they love Firefly so much but why they were so quick to pal around with Silver Wolf. It just felt correct to them.
If hoyo starts giving TB Stellaron Hunter lore crumbs once a year, I'm gonna be so disappointed.
If hoyo starts giving TB Stellaron Hunter lore crumbs once a year, I'm gonna be so disappointed.
Dainsleif: First time?
Nothing. I asked the FF mains about this they said the game wants to imply that she has moved on for some reason and just wants a cure for ELS so, there you go.. Most of the fans are happy with just the ship thing anyway. Lol
I disagree. Firefly is focusing on finding a cure for ELS but assuming she was crushing on TB before Herta's Station, she still is.
It's just she is not a moron. She knows TB has their own thing going on and all she can do is push onward and take what joy she can get. She was wayyy too much into enjoying her time with TB to be just a friend, even a close one.
Ot at least that's my opinion on it.
I honestly want many clarifications on Glamoth. I was so interested in Firefly early on 2.0 because of this very theme of a genetically engineered soldier stuff and SAM itself.. I waited for her this very patch just so she could clear how Glamoth fell, what exactly is their deal, what really happened etc. but yea.. I hope in the future they would expand but with HSR pumping out so many new characters, I'd say that may be a year or never.
Same tbh. Wanted way more Glamoth and SH lore than we got. Would have been a good time to at least give us some crumbs (there's just a tad bit more Glamoth lore, but still not much).
it could be possible that Firefly/sam joined the stelleron hunters after trailblazer was already gone though
Kafka only said that she taught you basic skills, and you were artifically created to hold a Stellaron. Nothing indicates at all that you have any lengthly history with them.
Such is the headcanons of the community.
Blade said that TB was very close to Kafka in her story quest though.
We just go a little angy when Ruan Meu drug us, of course we gonna be okay with firefly lying to us😂
Me when I get roofied at the bar (she was just a little silly)
cant wait for remembrance path, we may get our memories... honestly why cant we just ask the petite diviner
Yeah like just like March But i guess it isn't in Elio script *Wink* *Wink*
I said we were a Stellaron Hunter once the moment we learned about them and I still haven't changed my mind on that at all, it's why we can remember Kafka when waking up and it's why Firefly wants to make a second first impression with us, we either knew the Stellaron Hunters or were one before our memories were wiped
They... Explicitly tell you multiple times in the game you were a Stellaron Hunter... Multiple people tell you...
Yeah, this isn't even a theory, they just straight up tell you how you hung out with kafka, like, all the time. Blade and firefly only don't seem to know much in depth about you because they probably were on a lot of solo missions and only saw you when the script had them working in the same vicinity.
This is all kafka's fault conditioning TB
I like to imagine this is just a result of the stellaron and we used to be far more normal.
Eh... FF doesn't seem all too shocked when she sees us acting like a lunatic on the airship.
I think TB has always had a couple of screws loose.
Those screws aren't loose, they're part of a tight, well-tuned chaos machine
Well the Stellaron purges the weird zombifying alchemy thing from your system when Dan Shu just flat out poisons you to get you silenced via zombification so they are probably not worried about roofies...
Kafka used her abilitues to erase our memories, turns out it erases any normalcy we used to have
our experiences make us who we are, and we lost all of that and ended up going on a bunch of bizarre Trailblaze expeditions. we are a reflection of our experiences
but hey, at least sometimes we get Praises of High Morals to spend on being bad children! ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ I myself have at least 11 stockpiled
Dang, you must really like being a naughty kid; I have 32!
I enjoy stealing from personal belongings, they're all like little treasure chests to me. shiny things MUST be mine, after all, I'm the main character! /hj
I think I have like 15 iirc. Sometimes whenever there are chances of spending Praises of High Moral I feel like Mr. Krab that going to desecrate a grave for a hat meme
Those are rookie numbers, i have 12
I've used many for naughty activities...
Almost certainly, it was something else that erased our memories. The TB's memories are gone for good, according to Black Swan. It's not like Blade's memories, which are merely suppressed.
And the Stellaron made TB go full raccoon mode
TB gonna achieve Aeonhood of Raccoons
He totally forgot the normal part about him XD
Meanwhile stelle to sampo:
"You **** donkey" she says
why are we okay with Ruan Mei drugging us and endangering us, but always pissed at Sampo for subtly and secretly benefiting us? he quite literally saved us in Belobog in the fight against Svarog, bringing some of Wildfire to help us in the fight, and yet everyone still treats him like trash? yeah, he's a scammer, but at least he didn't pit us against an Emanator of Propogation ( 。 •̀ ᴖ •́ 。)
Honestly the most egregious thing Sampo did was steal from our exhibit at the museum.
I explicitly gave that little shit the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't the one stealing from our exhibit because I thought we were friends and he wouldn't steal from our exhibit... and then the little shit goes and proves I was wrong.
He's a lovable little shithead, and I shall never view his incredible character as anything different. Like a magnificent bastard archetype, but more clownish than theatrical.
To clarify, the above paragraph is intended as a compliment.
You’re the scum of the earth Sampo! (Affectionate)
- Ender_Dragneel, probably
Cuz Hoyo writers are unable to have even slightly mean comments to their waifus (Ruan Mei, Yae Miko or Firefly...) except for Kafka for some reason lol.
Cuz Ruan Mei is hot waifu while Sampo isn't smh
I do like both characters though.
I mean Im not ok with either but the game simply doesnt give you a choice to trash R. Mei as much as she deserves it.
I get it, Sampo is lovable. I like the guy. I like his character.
But irl I would stay as far away from him as possible. It doesnt matter that what he did benefits us, hes still untrustworthy and he doesnt even try to hide it. Like. All your instincts will be screaming 'danger' whenever youre around those people. Its just a natural human response to a shady behavior
We cannonically kinda forgot that, now we just see her as that weird lady who sometimes talks to us in the SU and shared some cake with us once
But one little lie from Sampo and the options turn into: you scoundrel!! You’re not my friend 👹👹👹👹
Crazy likes💀
if they animated any further a side of the fanbase would throw their phones in front of hoyo HQ. its the right amount of implying without setting the shipping fandom ablaze
They know since TB is a "insert self* MC they cant allow themselves to go overboard, they make implications that the character is interested in us, but they let everyone decide if they play along or not.
HI3rd is different because Kiana isnt an "inset self" MC, that's the main reason HI3rd is more broad and direct with relationships and stuff like that. They keep the "possibility to ship any character with MC or yourself" up because even making a characters sexual orientation "canon" can make the sales DROP by a sizable amount.
trailblazer is barelly a self insert at this point. 2.3 really hammers they are out of control and the player is the limiter. either way i do understand their stance to a extent(also the pairing got more than i hoped so i dont mind)
Trailblazer going mad with power should happen more often
Her smug ass smile when she takes over the hotel
I have to choose between an direct anwser and an super excited anwser or an edgy anwser,there is no in between them
you forgot the canon meme option.
Almost all times it replaces the super excited one
If you haven't read: How to Train your Brainrot Girlfriend manga by Senukin, first, what are you doing, go and read it. It's only 5 one page chapters so far. And second, I like to imagine Canon TB is just constantly speaking like the girlfriend in that series does and everyone struggles to translate their brainrot into English.
You have to choose between OG Trailblazer answer, March's answer and Dan Heng's answer
Most players are limiters, there's a subset of us Trailblazers that will act like the trash pandas portrayed if given the option to be a little silly.
im 50/50
when things are wacky i go with the flow, when the mood is serious i TRY to not make MC a fool of herself
Thankfully, I also have the passive skill "Situational Awareness" which allows me to do the same.
Comic relief is all well and good, but where it shines is after the real serious stuff is dealt with.
Same, except she must take any and every opportunity to bust March's balls, regardless of the scene's mood
It's a compulsion, she can't help it
March is too cute to not bully her at every chance you get.
What if tb is their own character and the player is the stellaron in them
Y'know, it's super wonky that this potentially a legitimate answer.
We do not know the extent of the Fragmentum's power. Are all the PoV shifts simply the Stellaron assessing threats by mind surfing to make sure there's no current threat of mortal danger to its host that would require the Stellaron to directly intervene like it did with the Doomsday beast?
Do people still think that? It’s been clearly shown that they have their own personality.
they are sort of marketed as SI. but the story is drifting away from it, the entire penacony arc made trailblazer a more distinct character, if you see from a narative standpoint, mc went from a random person who joined the nameless to the sucessor of the watchmaker, willingly inheriting his will of the trailblaze as their own
And we got to see other characters POV instead of them Yapping their own story.. so we are definitely shifting
Which i dont personally hate. I really like the narration or the idea of watching a series
Well it is true, lol. Theres not much of a debate about that. As a company, you need to be incredibly careful with ship stuff because a fairly large amount of players pull for characters they personally "ship" with the MC (or themselves). So straight up making something "canon" surrounding the MC is playing with fire and WILL cause a big uproar by a lot of people.
Do people ship MC with the characters? I've seen more of people shipping characters with other characters, like Jing Yuan and Fu Xuan, or Dan Heng and Bl— on second thought, maybe I'm in the wrong crowd...
You can see in this very subreddit highly very upvoted pictures of TB shipped with Robin, Kafka, Aventurine, etc.
We name the character (which the game also uses as our account name), only see their phone, play their POV for the most part, is singled out as not having actual dialogue boxes 99% of the time.
Idk why having a personality would make TB stop being a self insert.
you name characters in other games that don’t make them a self insert . for example any older final fantasy allows you to name the protag
Why do you think they stopped doing that then?
they stopped letting you name link in recent zelda games but he was never a self insert and still isn’t to this day despite being a silent protag. why ? because he has his own personality in the game.
you can name joker in p5 and he’s silent but he’s not self insert he has his own distinct personality. you don’t form these characters opinions you just get a set option of dialouge to choose that they would say given their personalities. a self insert would be the pokémon mc’s in the games they have 0 personality
Then the question lies in why even have silent protagonists if they're supposed to be fully fleshed out characters.
I see no possible reasoning other than to leave an opening for players to insert themselves in.
That's where you're wrong self insert does not mean the character has 0 personality. A self insert character is a character that is designed to be inserted into when you play the game. For all intents and purpose, when you play the game you are the character. You don't become Cloud when you play FF7 even if rename him with your real name. Cloud Strife is written as his own character with a detailed ast, personality and relationships even before the game starts. He also does not speak with dialogues choices and his responses is the same in every playthrough.
Joker and Link (though I also have a hard time considering BOTW and TOTK Link as one) are designed (as said numerous time by their creators) to be you. You name them(not BOTW Link but you do for the others), you choose their dialogues (some wildly different in tone to the point that it may feel "OOC" depending on what type of response you usually go for), their relationships (Joker) and they don't really have character arcs the same way Cloud do. Why do you think Joker (as do every other Megaten protags) has a different name depending on the media ? Why do you think Atlus has called him the player's alter ego or always refer to him as "Hero" or "Protagonist" in polls, official merchs ?
“Only see their phone”, “play from their POV”, what you described here is called having a main character…
If playing from their POV is an evidence you’re using you could also consider kratos a self insert lmao.
A self insert is just a character where the player fills in the gaps, something like the hunter from monster hunter. Having a distinct personality that the player doesn’t control is the direct opposite of that.
The characters both also have their own canon names. In genshin it was just revealed that aether and lumine are literally canon names and the ones we picked are actually used as a disguise. So names also don’t mean anything.
The things I listed individually do not make a self insert, but combined together, they do, especially the absence of having actual dialogue. Tbh the lack of voice and dialogue compared to the rest of the cast are in fact the biggest factors.
It's probably better to say that Hoyo is half-assing it to sway in both audiences that want and don't want the self insert.
There's also the fact that a chunk of TB x Firefly shippers call Firefly "my wife".
except they’re still a little broad because gay is illegal in china
Like Kiana was still calling mei her best friend in game even tho kiana gives her top every other day
its the same chinese company that sneaked seeles and bronyas kiss. they can do it, in fact they used a few artists for comission and made some cool stelle and firefly stuff.
The official tiktok account also reposted a Ratio/Aventurine edit during Aven's story patch.
It's not "illegal" anymore I believe but they know that the western playerbase will be drooling about any kind of implications, be that straight or gay or anything for that matter. Historically speaking, china is one of the most homophobic countries on the planet, but they know the westies will love any kind of crumbs they throw at us, which leads to better sales.
Hoyo knows that Sex sells.
"It's not illegal anymore"
What? If anything, it's the opposite. Just last year they were tightening restrictions on what can be allowed (remember that presentation where they were showing Venti as an example of a male character looking to feminine?), and lots of media has been having trouble due to not being able to pass censorship.
Hoyoverse has been playing it pretty freely (because like you said, they know what sells... though it's not just "westies" who love that stuff, shipping is also pretty big in China), but they're still bound by these restrictions and can't cross the line between "implied relationship" and "Bronseele onscreen kiss".
It’s not illegal to be gay in china but it is illegal to promote it yes it’s stupid but they are saying that media that promote gay media make people gay which is also stupid.
Ah I see, so it's my misunderstanding. OP said "gay is illegal" probably meaning "gay content in media is illegal" (which is how I understood it at least), the other commenter understood it meanwhile as "being gay is illegal"...
Anyways,,, sigh, yeah it is pretty stupid, and sad. Especially the recent crackdowns.
Pretty sure firefly is also popular in China. Why are you turning this into a west vs east thing? Weird.
Never said she wasn't popular in China. But shipping isnt as big of a sale driving force in the CN playerbase.
And the CN playerbase also is a lot better at keeping their headcanons to themselves instead of becoming overly vocal and starting unnecessary fights over it.
And the CN playerbase also is a lot better at keeping their headcanons to themselves instead of becoming overly vocal and starting unnecessary fights over it.
The Scara drama and the HI3 bunny girl incident begs to differ.
But yeah, rather than loudly vocal like over here, whenever it pops up it gets rather extreme over there.
yeah but theyre clearly not just "pandering to westies" with how they wrote firefly. It clearly resonated with people since Firefly's one of the most popular CN characters as well. Wouldnt there have already been some outrage if they disliked the whole ff and tb thing? If anything it looks like they liked it
they let everyone decide
You basically have no choice in-game, unless you mean people's interpretation (there's also no big room for that, as the sticker with the word "lovers" suggests)
Not really. Most of the answers play along in some way. There's hardly any options to roast or really tease her like we do with March.
Really? It gives me the opposite sensation, I am more of a "don't get my waifu near the MC, she's mine" guy than a self inserting as the MC and wanting the waifu I like with him/shipping them guy, it just makes more sense to me at least, I still enjoy the ships tho I will always enjoy a good piece of art.
Plus when an implied relation between a MC and a waifu happens I usually think "well, that means the rest of waifus would be free to get along and I will respect the relation of that waifu with the MC" but that seems contrary to what Asian players popularly think so that's why they have to make them subtle in cases like gachas
Well, those players also exist, which further underlines why they cant make ships canon.
Some people dont insert self into MC but skip that and straight up have their own headcanons with specific characters of their choosing.
Stelle: das crazy bro. congratulations or sorry it happened to you
Firefly:
My life is an unending existential dread. I don't know how long I have left to live and every free moment outside of that prison of a suit I rapidly degrade what little time I have left.
Trailblazer:
That's rough, buddy.
This scene sent TB into full panic attack
Luckly the astral express was there to snap him out
Where's this from?
it's a side quest on the Radiant Feldspar, I think it's the same room where you meet Jade for the first time(or it could be the one across it), there is a projector you interact with to start the quest
An unmarked side quest on the Radiant Feldspar. After completing 2.3 main story, return to the Bonajade Exchange and interact with the projector.
Fr, but the people who think there's nothing going on is a good thing probably. It keeps the crazier part of the fandom in check (no death threats for da wei) and the chinese government out of their asses. And they can keep up writing the story they want to write.
Someone else brought it up in another thread but remember when Tingyun neck snapped? TB and March were both confused and about to panic and Welt had to calm them down. To TB seeing someone they spent a decent amount of friendly time with dying would be traumatizing
Like imagine if anyone on the express were to "die" in front of them. They might genuinely mentally break for a time as express are basically their family
TB is so chill.
They developed the ship way too fast and anyone who doesn't like it is left annoyed. Probably should've been more spread out.
Yeah, this is my pet peeve in general. I liked Firefly at the start, but when they started forcing too much ship tease in canon, it just became a source of irritation, because why does TB suddenly care so much? The little date was cute, but the rest just felt artificial. The 2.3 ending suffered because of the disconnect that some players who weren't that invested in Firefly felt.
If Firefly was a recurring character and had more meaningful interactions, it would have been great. Seeing her in different planets and TB having someone they were close to in SH would be perfect in fueling the fan shipping.
Also, a male counterpart with the same fanservice would be dope (and fair), but I highly doubt hyv would do it lest the CN incels complain.
I kind of feel like this. I have no emotional investment in FF whatsoever because of how fast it was.
Same. I agree 100%. I think it’s because the only real moment we had alone with her after meeting her is eating together and then everything else were just random activities you do alone and then sampo thirdwheels. After that, you do a clockie thing with her (but actually alone cause it’s focused on you), she makes you go to her secret base which is super far (which kinda annoyed me lol), and then trauma dumps.
At this point, you can choose to be friendly but when i played it, she said a line from the invitation which made me suspicious of her. How would a stowaway know the words to a mysterious invite sent to various factions? There are options to ask her “who she really is” instead of being very trusting which is what i chose.
The problem is, you’re given choices to play the MC the way you want to play them. It’s annoying when the game doesn’t honor those choices by suggesting differently with how other characters react to you and FF or how they assume how you feel. Maybe they could’ve fixed it by giving us more time and quests with her? Idk. It just felt too fast for me. Couldn’t really care for her sincerely before the big thing happened.
Not only that.
FF is basically is too perfect.
Despite being a war veteran - no signs of ptsd, trauma, no flashbacks, nothing to even remotely hinting of how rough her life was even if its in relation to characters other than MC.
Just an average gurl next door who fell for mc for no reason whatsoever
Is so... nothing.
meh, personally never cared much about Firefly, i liked her trailers and stuff but wouldve prefered more useful stellaron hunter info over her
The fact that the “date” was forced on us is my least favorite thing. Like no, I don’t want a romance game.
I think you forget their dance after Sparkle knocked the Trailblazer into Firefly's arms.
Sparkle is Based
And a prick…
I wanted to throw sparkle off the ship when she did that.
I’m not convinced TB would actually have romantic interest in anyone, they seem much more interested in trash, baseball bats, and being a menace to society.
My TB constantly trying to kill her and she keeps coming back
As someone who doesn't ship TB with Firefly, I appreciate it's not pushed harder
i bet the comments will be nice and civilized under this one
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Firefly is so obsessed with me, leave me alone girl. lol
no fr she kinda started getting on my nerves like yr cool but PLS
Keep in mind, this IS the Trailblazer we're talking about
Basically me choosing the dialogue in the current trailblaze mission. I'm just like "Ok bye, just go girl! Save the world~💃🕺" No hesitation whatsoever haha.
Ya know. It has occurred to me that the devs of hsr seem to really like the idea of memory loss. I can easily think of 3 characters that have it. So there is most likely more of them. I think svarog had some form of it. I may be wrong. But I think the devs are are beating that poor horse to death. lol
I think svarog had some form of it.
Svarog has limited memory storage capacity and has to choose what gets archived and what gets dumped.
During a particularly adorable father-daughter scene that comes after, IIRC, immediately after Svarog's boss fight, Clara says something really adorable to Svarog and Svarog says something along the lines of: "Overwriting critical ancient Belobogian histories chronicle IX, confirming archival of current memory."
Edit: Sorry, I misremembered the dialogue in question. Svarog states that he has multiple backups of all memories relating to Clara. Clara wants to delete some of the more embarrassing ones, Svarog outright refuses in a gentle manner.
Yep, no worries. You remembered much more of it than I did. I just thought I remembered something about his memory. lol
That's a fair point, petition for a sloppy 5 minutes make out session with Firefly in the next patch, that will make everyone happy!
Next version, March goes to the Luofu with Dan Heng, while TB uses the free time to hang out with Firefly.
(Actually, I want a story where TB doesn't participate just for the chill change of air)
I do agree with you! I think it was extremely fun in 2.3 to see the Trailblazer outside of our control (and how chaotic they are even without us the players) and I would love to see Hoyo do more of it, in part because I also want the TB to beat the self insert allegations.
In one of her texts Firefly ask the TB on a date to go see the sunrise somewhere sometimes, so let's goo TB, be free my child (don't spend all the money we farmed tho)
It'd kind of be hilarious if there was a story arc where we saw TB doing TB things from someone else's POV again, but for longer. Then when we go back to TB's POV, we're missing 100k credits and have some random nonsense items in our inventory, and they think to themselves "what the heck did I do last night?!"
I actually kind of need to see this happen now..
That has interesting storytelling potential but would mean hoyo has to write tb as an actual character, which is risky with their current development
Personally, I don't even think of the trailblazer as self insert anything. He's just there, doing his things, and I'm just choosing the most chaotic dialog options to help him
ngl, maybe its because genshin's traveler is burning me out, but in comparison to them at least, tb already beat the allegations for me. They have an in-universe relevant backstory, different relationships to characters whom they treat differently, and they have their own personality.
I have not touched genshin in a while but what I love with the TB is that it feels that every patch we get to hear more of what they think about a situation, or even just plain talk.
Even when it's something completely unhinged like their takeover of the hotel lobby, it's fun.
What I actually hope for is for no more future characters to be released with the same amount of in game shipping and just let Firefly have it.
Doing it with more characters will just be distasteful.
Nah, if we're going the tb ship tease path, I hope we get more of it with different characters so everyone can have their pick. Rn its only pandering to people who like cute sad girls. Give me a serious no nonsense woman with just as much ship tease with tb.
Or literally any guy to simp for, I'll take literally anything at this point instead of what they do with sampo and some of aventurine choices.
Indeed XD
Good. I'm probably (definitely) in the minority that doesn't like FF. They rushed her character so much I didn't care at all when she "died" and they want me to just accept that they could be a thing when they barely had good interactions. If they made them a "thing" I definitely would've been pretty annoyed. Maybe in the future when they can write and pace things better
FF: im sorry for lying to you TB: OK FF: I want to live. TB: B@TCH!!!!! I did too until you shot me with a f@cking missle!!!!!! I don't know about yal but that's how it went down in my game. LMFAO I also find it really funny how many people are butt hurt over Ruan Mei feeding you a cake that will not allow you to betray her. But they easily shrug off the fact that firefly tried to kill yo ass. There is no arguing this fact. Lose that fight and see what happens. Honestly, I like FF's character. I could easily forget all that. What I would have trouble forgiving FF for is she caused everything that Sparkly gimp told you to end up being true. Yep, not sure I can ever forgive her for that. LMFAO
Im all for the casual friendship to be honest. Fandom ship and honestly hoyo marketing has done Irreparable damage to the fact that in game the TB will not be tied down to not one character STORY WISE. Head cannons run rampant in the Hoyo games sphere but people are afraid to face the truth that most of the pairings aren't gonna happen.
They deadass got zero chemistry together. 😭
I was waiting for 2.2 and 2.3 to actually do something with her that’s remotely interesting as well as develop with TB and there’s nothing that isn’t reducing her to waifubait and the “perfect” self insert girlfriend. You go on another date with her then she fucks off for the rest of the story, next patch is more shipping bait and none of its natural, like please do something interesting.
Imagine having a rich backstory, origin, and premise of a character and then just decide to do nothing with her and then reduce her to “uwu TB’s girlfriend” and no personality traits or on screen relevance. For being such an “important” part of Penacony’s story Firefly sure felt like the weakest aspect.
I saw it more as the TB being overwhelmed and not rlly knowing how to handle the situation in that moment. I think that's also how it's supported in game. From the perspective of the TB they just met Firefly yet the moment they saw Firefly getting stabbed is mentioned several times as a deeply traumatising moment. When you look at Firefly's secret base after finding out she is alive and a stellaron hunter, it says that the TB felt betrayed and angry, not understanding why she acted towards them the way she did before, but logically knowing that Firefly has her reasons. And with the atmosphere between the two calming down during the 2.2 quest (also in how the TB describes their feelings in dreams edge secret base after the 2.2 finale) and how flirtily the two can interact within the 2.3 story line and the event as well as the text messages and how the finale is shown, it clearly shows they have a strong bond. I don't think hoyo would ever go any further than that, but for me it's enough to let my head canon spin further from there. I think it's super well made altogether and I think people are treating TB way too much like a self insert with their own wishes on how to interact with Firefly.
The time between TB finding out that Firefly is alive and a stellaron hunter and before TB understood Fireflys reasons is like few seconds in the story. The secret base thing is for the player between patches, but in the actual story Firefly immediately explains herself and the relationship is immediately restored.
I literally didn't care anymore after I found out she wasn't dead because she still attacked us as Sam💀
Gameplay wise, canonically she never attacks TB, Acheron even says it
i finally played the farewell Penacony quest and i was quite surprised by this as well.
to this point, besides the initial "date" I havent really seen anything "shipping" those 2 in the game itself, especially given for people to call it "HYV making it obvious". I guess its only canon in trailers and fanart.
How long did Trailblazer actually know her?
Maybe an hour as a tourguide?
A few seconds when she became a skewer?
A few minutes during her Sam reveal?
Half an hour during a bomb threat?
(Probably a few hours more after the happy ending)
Everyone in this fandom:
"They are the perfect match and deeply care about each other"
I mean it's the literal text from the game.
Whether you decide it has been implemented well is another question all together, but if you look at their interactions and don't think that they care about each other at least platonically it is because you refuse to see it.
Yes, like good friends, despite not knowing each other that well.
I was really disappointed with the reunion. Firefly parts in 2.2 sucked balls tbh.
I was engaged with the romance subplot that 2.0 set up, but then they keep dropping the ball at key moments. I liked the fireworks scene, and then we just dip? Lol.
It feels like they're trying to set up something interesting but too coward to actually go forth with it, so they leave it in this weird non-committal spot. Only to leave crumbs in places that don't matter (like stickers, overworld object interactions).
This is why I dislike self-insert MCs, writers having freedom to tell their stories is always so much better.
I’ve noticed that Hoyo is absolutely horrible about two things: filling in gaps, and letting scenes linger for a second. They’re horrified of doing both and I don’t get why.
I've heard that the issue about filling in gaps is something that Shaoji struggles a lot with. Supposedly HI3rd suffers from that a lot as well.
Having a history of fans attacking you in both offline and online environment make them very cautious. To the point that they cut up FF EN and JP official phone call to remove SW telling TB that FF is very serious about them.
I’m not referring to fan service, though. I’m referring to how we were floating in a sea of fireworks above the Feldspar one sec, then literally the next second we were at the gravesites in Dreamflux Reef. Literally no transition, like a scene was cut. It was jarring as hell and quick as hell, no time to linger on what we were witnessing.
Imagine making FF x MC canon , imagine destroying all your revenue for banner 2.3 onwards to whenever another main character ship comes along. All characters will be shipped with MC and it will make them more money.
I don't really understand this take considering that Acheron has the highest selling banner, and she didn't even get ship teased with TB
There is a difference between what Hoyo implies and people who make their own headcannons. To me, Acheron is waifu. So, I can make a head canon with her. People want to ship themselves and MC with the females or males they like and that is how gacha works. To some Kafka is mommy, to me she is also waifu but I am not one of those people who cannot bear them shipping or making romances. I am ok with anything but many people will take it seriously. They would get hurt. They want their MC to have a relationship with their headcannon. Get it? Some have Stelle and they would want their girl to have a relationship with Dan heng or Argenti. Some women might prefer than. Forcing something like FF love story would forever change this dynamic. People would be like we are in cahoots with this girl so now I cannot betray her. You have no idea how crazy gacha gamers can be. Some refused to open the free ratio mail because they are waifu only players. Some people are husbando only. The developers love to push our relationship with every new character. Kafka send us a sexy photo of hers, we went on a date with her too. Then Asta loved to hang out with us. We were teased by Serval too. Many other characters have teased the MC and people love those ships. That’s why it can lead to a revenue decline and companies are all about making money. If it makes money to ship the MC with everyone , so be it
You say that yet FGO has canon couples with other characters, which is way worse if we take your logic yet they're still standing for almost ten years now and still have high revenue. There are so many other ways to sell characters. You say alot of examples as well yet male pullers are more vocal and still playing this game and not quitting. Besides, only the really chronically online and ill would be the ones that won't brush the off. RobiFly is literally one of the biggest ships in AO3 yet they almost have zero interactions
I mean, there's also this.
Sadly the limitations of the game makes it harder for a hug scene. I mean i guess they could have made a 2d art of it but
Doesn't Robin hug Sunday? They can do whatever they want in a cutscene.
They can make anything you want in a cutscene, I don't think the limitations are a problem.
Hoyoverse to poor to make 3d models hug each other confirmed.
At least we had [Genshin Impact]
Atleast we got some in the cutscene
At this point I just want her to leave me alone. I was hoping for some TB lore or something from her, but I'm just getting moments of ship I don't even really like. I just wanna bond with someone else again-
I truly hope no romance come out of firefly and TB praying hoyo let the ship stay delulu on this one
Well, it would be really weird to get that emotional over someone you've just met.
Don't get me wrong... They look like they'll make for a cute couple in the future, but right now, they are barely acquaintances
yea and player too emotional with fake ff death and tb relationship with her, the truth is only casual relationship between them.( so far now) in future yea will be better
I was just hoping to see some TB Stelleron hunter lore, but Firefly has yet to mention anything about it (I think)