www.newsweek.com/north-carolina-senate-vote-masks-anti-health-1901894
North Carolina Republicans Vote to Ban Masks in Public — Even for Cancer Patients
What happened to personal freedom? Can’t force people to wear masks but can force them not to wear them?
You now have the freedom of fewer choices!
1984
"In America they practice their right to freedom by prohibiting the freedoms of others"
"Freedom for me, none for thee" --GOP motto
Down in Florida ppl are free to not eat lab grown meat, because our dipshit governor banned it.
Ooh I bet the lab grown meat will lack the avian flu. And get very much more popular soon.
And will lack the animal torture.
... and it's still a heavily processed food. I like it in concept, but I personally don't have any desire to eat it.
And just like that we all have proof that all arguments about individual liberty from the right are thinly veiled fallback positions they will take until they get the chance to impose blanket authoritarianism
There isnt even another viewpoint to have here like with abortion. That's pure spiteful retaliation
Some bean counter in the Florida government went down the data mining rabbit hole and figured out that much of the state is a machine for disposing of old people. And the faster the more profitable. They sick people fall into the same category is just more fodder for the rapid turnover economy.
We are entering the future, George Orwell's told us about.
... and that book was supposed to be a warning, not a blueprint.
That’s how small government works… it’s very complicated.
There is no way this is constitutional or not in violation of the ADA.
That is true but the same folks passing this law also want the ADA burned down.
Send this to scotus. Guess what they decide.
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So much for "it's about personal freedom"
It’s amazing how conservatives are always fighting some battle of the past while the rest of us have moved onto other issues.
It’s not in the past for the most vulnerable though. People with certain health conditions and going through chemo, etc have always worn masks in public! At least have the option to.
I don’t disagree with you, but these fools in NC are so narrowly focused on Covid restrictions and untethered from reality, it’s insane.
I know, I totally agree that it’s like oh…What a weird evil thing to be focused on.
Maybe they are grasping onto old maga issues? I don't know, but the whole point before was people felt being forced to wear a mask was violating their freedom. Are they really just going to sit quietly when a sick family member gets arrested for wearing a mask and is brought into a petri dish of a police car and dies? What is the real point of this? Increase COVID in schools and workplaces, because no down time either.
It sounds like they're clinging to old issues for sure. A few extended family members of mine were trumpers and just recently were talking about a Democrat they'd vote for in 2028. So idk, feels like they're losing some of their cult base.
I think this is so that pro-Palestinian protesters are easily identifiable.
Yeah agree that it at least partially about face identification.
True. What nonsense. Haven't all of the pro-palestinian protestors been peaceful? The only violence I have read so far is by pro-zionist/Israel and police.
Biden isn't Jewish, the majority of people screaming anti-semitism aren't either. Many of us that are Jewish or have family in the yad vashim recognize this is about another clear genocide. They should be allowed to protest everywhere. We should all be with them.
I can't agree more. With all of that.
Exactly , they were doing this before Covid . Usually , these are old people or ones who are obviously sick .
Cool, so my friends daughter fighting AML leukemia and just had a bone marrow transplant, zero immunity and will have to literally get all her immunizations again could be tormented for wearing a mask as the Dr’s told her too. Enter one of my closest friends who is fighting the same, neutropenic which means zero immunity although miraculously hasn’t had to have a transplant yet.. has to do the same..since when do these f*ckwad politicians know more than Dr’s? Maybe I’m glad I’m missing my yearly vacay to N Carolina this summer. I’m really hating the south lately. Loved my N Georgia mountain home but there’s so many southern states that make me sick.. Georgia is borderline at this point. Not as ridiculous as some surrounding but not great either.
Ah yes. The "pro-life" party always going on about the sanctity of life.
Truly. Considering most NC areas don't allow any downtime from school or work, or anywhere to even report COVID, even sick people trying to be responsible can't. They have ensured complete transmission if this passes fully.
Doesnt this violate the 1st amendment in a million ways?
Not if SCOTUS decides 'originalism' goes back before the Bill of Rights somehow.
Fuck I really wish that sounded like a joke, which it would have just a few years ago. But it doesn't. Scary shit.
Lower courts below SCOTUS will hopefully blast this to oblivion.
I'm sure the tb patients will comply.
I would start wearing one all the time to protest.
Yup, smart people should wear them all the time and just have "personal freedom" protests where they all wear masks.
Stupidity is truly shocking sometimes.
Manufacturing, healthcare, janitorial, agriculture, waste management, mining, landscaping, wear masks. Telling me someone using a blower or mixing some chemicals can’t wear a mask? Damn.
You sure this is north Carolina, because this is something dumb enough that louisiana would do it.
It's still the good ole boy system. Crooked pandering fucks who do not care about the lowly commoner... ehem, common man. That's why it's always been more depressed in the south, lower economic mobility, poorer education and healthcare. Vance and the New South Movement. I just can't believe we are still letting greasy old fat cats rule the roosts.
"The mask ban, which would effectively bring back a 1950s law meant to target the KKK, would help police identify protesters, according to its Republican supporters, who say police will be expected to use "common sense" not to use it to arrest "Granny in the Walmart," as Newton put it to reporters."
Because cops are totally know for their "common sense" approach to law enforcement. /s
the party of small government at it again
Inbreeding is showing again…
No that's the lead.
Both?
Both?
Priorities in order
Foolish
Pro-life my ass.
You can’t ban masks. It’s absurd.
Soooooo, they are stupid and might die and they want you to also! VOTE BLUE. I'd fucking wear a mask everywhere I went and sue their asses!
Basically voting to deny reality and science
... and to kill people. How very pro-life of them.
Only the old and the sick ones.
Sad, this is all about their crazy irrational fear of COVID / death or some kind of PTSD from the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic.
Republicans just need to where swastikas.
We live in such a stupid world.
Nothing says ignorance and anger like the republican party.
A what now?
This is insane! But coming to a red state near you.
Yet another state i'll avoid like the plague. Freedumb my ass.
They added an exception to a law that was written in the early '50s to prevent members of the ku Klux Klan wearing masks to hide their identity as they paraded their racist agendas. They added an exception to the rule during COVID for health reasons. Now they are striking through that exception and making it clearer that people cannot use masks to disguise themselves when they are causing trouble by protesting, blocking the roads, committing crimes or for otherwise nefarious purposes. There is no intention of enforcing the statute for people who use the mask for health reasons. It would be highly, highly unlikely for somebody to be charged with only wearing a mask. And if by some reason that person was charged for only wearing a mask, the prosecutor would not prosecute the case. And if they did, a simple note from a doctor would be all the defense that person would need and then the state would be out an awful lot of money for harassment and violation of their civil rights.
The headlines surrounding this law has been unnecessarily clickbaity.
Bring on the down votes!!!
If there’s no intention of enforcing the statute for people using masks for health reasons, why did they take away that exemption?
I finished chemo a year ago and if some tool hassled me about wearing a mask and forced me to carry around a note from my oncologist I’d tell them to fuck right off. This is pure nanny state shit.
Where has this huge spate of crime happened committed by people in n-5s? My daughter had a subarachnoid-intraparchmyl hemorrhage at 22. Very high chance of recurrence and low survivability. She just turned 30 and has autoimmune. She should have NO concern about wearing a mask but she will. She will abstain because she isn't a trouble maker. Using some stupid excuses for this isn't ok, this is a serious infringement of rights that immediately puts people's health at risk and immediately will have a death toll.
Absolutely.
This is all in fealty to their MAGA god.
So that ku Klux Klan members can't say they are wearing their bed sheets over their head for medical reasons.
I really doubt that this happens more frequently than people undergoing chemo and are immunocompromised as a result.
The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts: 19 SECTION 1.(a) G.S. 14-12.11 reads as rewritten: 20 "§ 14-12.11. Exemptions from provisions of Article. 21 (a) Any of the following are exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14-12.7, 14-12.8, 22 14-12.9, 14-12.10 and 14-12.14: 23 (1) Any person or persons wearing traditional holiday costumes in season. 24 (2) Any person or persons engaged in trades and employment where a mask is 25 worn for the purpose of ensuring the physical safety of the wearer, or because 26 of the nature of the occupation, trade or profession. 27 (3) Any person or persons using masks in theatrical productions including use in 28 Mardi Gras celebrations and masquerade balls. 29 (4) Persons wearing gas masks prescribed in civil defense drills and exercises or 30 emergencies. 31 (5) Any person or persons, as members or members elect of a society, order or 32 organization, engaged in any parade, ritual, initiation, ceremony, celebration 33 or requirement of such society, order or organization, and wearing or using 34 any manner of costume, paraphernalia, disguise, facial makeup, hood, implement or device, whether the identity of such person or persons is 2 concealed or not, on any public or private street, road, way or property, or in 3 any public or private building, provided permission shall have been first 4 obtained therefor by a representative of such society, order or organization 5 from the governing body of the municipality in which the same takes place, 6 or, if not in a municipality, from the board of county commissioners of the 7 county in which the same takes place. 8 (THIS STARTS THE PART OF THE BILL BEING STRUCK THROUGH)(6) Any person wearing a mask for the purpose of ensuring the physical health or 9 safety of the wearer or others. c) Notwithstanding subdivision (a)(6) of this section, a person wearing a mask for the 22 purpose of ensuring the physical health or safety of the wearer or others shall remove the mask, (THIS ENDS THE STRIKE THROUGH ) 23 upon request by a law enforcement officer, in any of the following circumstances: 24 (1) During a traffic stop, including a checkpoint or roadblock pursuant to 25 G.S. 20-16.3A. 26 (2) When a law enforcement officer has reasonable suspicion or probable cause 27 during a criminal investigation."
Which is why I said in my post that the intention is not to prosecute people who are wearing masks for medical purposes. The intention is to stop people from wearing masks to disguise themselves for nefarious purposes. No prosecutor in their right mind is going to prosecute a person for wearing a mask for medical reasons and again like I said, if it did go to prosecution a simple note from the doctor would have those charges dropped and then the state would be drugged through the mud and owe a lot of money for interference of someone's personal civil liberty rights.
The intention of the law is to stop people wearing masks to disguise themselves.
That’s not what the law says no matter how many times you repeat it. There is no exception for health. They can legally harass cancer patients.
The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts: 19 SECTION 1.(a) G.S. 14-12.11 reads as rewritten: 20 "§ 14-12.11. Exemptions from provisions of Article. 21 (a) Any of the following are exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14-12.7, 14-12.8, 22 14-12.9, 14-12.10 and 14-12.14: 23 (1) Any person or persons wearing traditional holiday costumes in season. 24 (2) Any person or persons engaged in trades and employment where a mask is 25 worn for the purpose of ensuring the physical safety of the wearer, or because 26 of the nature of the occupation, trade or profession. 27 (3) Any person or persons using masks in theatrical productions including use in 28 Mardi Gras celebrations and masquerade balls. 29 (4) Persons wearing gas masks prescribed in civil defense drills and exercises or 30 emergencies. 31 (5) Any person or persons, as members or members elect of a society, order or 32 organization, engaged in any parade, ritual, initiation, ceremony, celebration 33 or requirement of such society, order or organization, and wearing or using 34 any manner of costume, paraphernalia, disguise, facial makeup, hood, implement or device, whether the identity of such person or persons is 2 concealed or not, on any public or private street, road, way or property, or in 3 any public or private building, provided permission shall have been first 4 obtained therefor by a representative of such society, order or organization 5 from the governing body of the municipality in which the same takes place, 6 or, if not in a municipality, from the board of county commissioners of the 7 county in which the same takes place. 8 (THIS STARTS THE PART OF THE BILL BEING STRUCK THROUGH)(6) Any person wearing a mask for the purpose of ensuring the physical health or 9 safety of the wearer or others. c) Notwithstanding subdivision (a)(6) of this section, a person wearing a mask for the 22 purpose of ensuring the physical health or safety of the wearer or others shall remove the mask, (THIS ENDS THE STRIKE THROUGH ) 23 upon request by a law enforcement officer, in any of the following circumstances: 24 (1) During a traffic stop, including a checkpoint or roadblock pursuant to 25 G.S. 20-16.3A. 26 (2) When a law enforcement officer has reasonable suspicion or probable cause 27 during a criminal investigation."
They struck through that part which means they removed it. 8 is no longer there. That is my people are upset. You really should figure out what you're talking about but here's a quote. "My issue is we are removing the specific section that gave people who are immunocompromised or people who are sick and just care about the community — someone walking around with tuberculosis wants to wear a mask to protect everyone else — is no longer able to do that based on this bill,” Sen. Sydney Batch said.
I have read the bill. I understand it. I am not posting incorrect information.
The law isn't meant to be prosecuted as a stand alone offense. It's going to be prosecuted as an add-on charge when some madman bombs a Jewish temple under the guise of protesting. Much like one cannot be pulled over in a traffic stop solely for not wearing a seatbelt. However, if one is pulled over for evading the police, they're going to be prosecuted for it.
No state prosecutor is going to charge someone with wearing a medical mask for medical purposes. The ACLU would have a heyday and the person prosecuted would be a millionaire. The DA would be ridiculed and lose their job. But if a madman does bomb a Jewish temple and he's wearing a mask, he'll be prosecuted for it.
Please note that the click bait headlines are coming from purely media sources. There are no highly publicized medical journals or purely medical publications sounding off about how awful this is and how dangerous this is. No word from the ACLU or CDC or WHO either. Wanna know why????
The law isn't meant to be prosecuted as a stand alone offense. It's going to be prosecuted as an add on charge to prevent people from disguising themselves during the commission of a crime!!!!!!!!! FFS the original law has been in place since 1953. You find me ONE case where an individual was prosecuted for wearing a mask in public for medical reasons and I'll concede your point.
Until then, sit down, shut up, and let the grown ups talk! (With the good common sense that god gave us!!!!)
I'm 50, grown up enough to recognize your behavior. You're sorely lacking in common sense and common manners.
Do you understand what “THIS STARTS THE PART OF THE BILL BEING STRUCK THROUGH” means?
Of course I do. You're being obtuse and argumentative for the sake of it.
The law isn't meant to be prosecuted as a stand alone offense. It's going to be prosecuted as an add-on charge when some madman bombs a Jewish temple under the guise of protesting. Much like one cannot be pulled over in a traffic stop solely for not wearing a seatbelt. However, if one is pulled over for evading the police and they're not wearing a seatbelt, they will get a ticket for it and it will be enforced.
No state prosecutor is going to charge someone with wearing a medical mask for medical purposes. The ACLU would have a heyday and the person prosecuted would be a millionaire. The DA would be ridiculed and lose their job. But if a madman does bomb a Jewish temple and he's wearing a mask, he'll be prosecuted for it.
Please note that the click bait headlines are coming from purely media sources. There are no highly publicized medical journals or purely medical publications sounding off about how awful this is and how dangerous this is. No word from the ACLU or CDC or WHO either. Wanna know why????
The law isn't meant to be prosecuted as a stand alone offense. It's going to be prosecuted as an add on charge to prevent people from disguising themselves during the commission of a crime!!!!!!!!! FFS the original law has been in place since 1953. You find me ONE case where an individual was prosecuted for wearing a mask in public for medical reasons and I'll concede your point.
Until then, sit down, shut up, and let the grown ups talk! (With the good common sense that god gave us!!!!)
Shut up, really? And you call yourself an adult?
In your dream world cops never overreach. People who mask for health reasons never get harassed by assholes. Must be nice not to have any skin in the game and make stuff up as you go along.
what about Halloween?
The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts: 19 SECTION 1.(a) G.S. 14-12.11 reads as rewritten: 20 "§ 14-12.11. Exemptions from provisions of Article. 21 (a) Any of the following are exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14-12.7, 14-12.8, 22 14-12.9, 14-12.10 and 14-12.14: 23 (1) Any person or persons wearing traditional holiday costumes in season. 24 (2) Any person or persons engaged in trades and employment where a mask is 25 worn for the purpose of ensuring the physical safety of the wearer, or because 26 of the nature of the occupation, trade or profession. 27 (3) Any person or persons using masks in theatrical productions including use in 28 Mardi Gras celebrations and masquerade balls. 29 (4) Persons wearing gas masks prescribed in civil defense drills and exercises or 30 emergencies. 31 (5) Any person or persons, as members or members elect of a society, order or 32 organization, engaged in any parade, ritual, initiation, ceremony, celebration 33 or requirement of such society, order or organization, and wearing or using 34 any manner of costume, paraphernalia, disguise, facial makeup, hood, implement or device, whether the identity of such person or persons is 2 concealed or not, on any public or private street, road, way or property, or in 3 any public or private building, provided permission shall have been first 4 obtained therefor by a representative of such society, order or organization 5 from the governing body of the municipality in which the same takes place, 6 or, if not in a municipality, from the board of county commissioners of the 7 county in which the same takes place. 8 (THIS STARTS THE PART OF THE BILL BEING STRUCK THROUGH)(6) Any person wearing a mask for the purpose of ensuring the physical health or 9 safety of the wearer or others. c) Notwithstanding subdivision (a)(6) of this section, a person wearing a mask for the 22 purpose of ensuring the physical health or safety of the wearer or others shall remove the mask, (THIS ENDS THE STRIKE THROUGH ) 23 upon request by a law enforcement officer, in any of the following circumstances: 24 (1) During a traffic stop, including a checkpoint or roadblock pursuant to 25 G.S. 20-16.3A. 26 (2) When a law enforcement officer has reasonable suspicion or probable cause 27 during a criminal investigation."
Stop reposting and read the news. They are removing that exclusion. No more health exclusion. It literally says it in the piece that you are sharing with us. It says this starts the part of the bill being struck through, this ends the part of the bill being struck through. You are all over this with incorrect information and people have tried to be patient.
I have read the bill. I understand it. I am not posting incorrect information and I couldn't care less about people's patience. In a reddit post.. what the hell does patience have to do with it!? Are people going to ground me or take away my cell phone!?
The law isn't meant to be prosecuted as a stand alone offense. It's going to be prosecuted as an add-on charge when some madman bombs a Jewish temple under the guise of protesting. Much like one cannot be pulled over in a traffic stop solely for not wearing a seatbelt. However, if one is pulled over for evading the police, they're going to be prosecuted for it.
No state prosecutor is going to charge someone with wearing a medical mask for medical purposes. The ACLU would have a heyday and the person prosecuted would be a millionaire. The DA would be ridiculed and lose their job. But if a madman does bomb a Jewish temple and he's wearing a mask, he'll be prosecuted for it.
Please note that the click bait headlines are coming from purely media sources. There are no highly publicized medical journals or purely medical publications sounding off about how awful this is and how dangerous this is. No word from the ACLU or CDC or WHO either. Wanna know why????
The law isn't meant to be prosecuted as a stand alone offense. It's going to be prosecuted as an add on charge to prevent people from disguising themselves during the commission of a crime!!!!!!!!! FFS the original law has been in place since 1953. You find me ONE case where an individual was prosecuted for wearing a mask in public for medical reasons and I'll concede your point.
Until then, sit down, shut up, and let the grown ups talk! (With the good common sense that god gave us!!!!)
🤫 people want to be angry.
How dare you being nuance and rationality into the interweebs. .
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Lmfao, what bullshit. Some random guy walking from his car in the parking lot and putting on an n95 at the front door can be tracked a thousand ways. The number of people wearing masks these days is incredibly low, just let them be.
Then you also need to ban sunglasses and hats….
This is not about “safety”. If it was, they would ban wigs too.
My dad wears a mask in the spring bc he has horrible allergies. He’s been doing this for years, even before covid. He has the right to ensure his health.
Safety is wearing PPE because you’re immunocompromised and/or have a child, parent, spouse, etc going through chemo at home. It has nothing to do with safety, it’s a revenge tactic because so many people felt slighted by mask mandates during the pandemic. Period.
ETA: For those wondering what the original comment said: AzLady tried to argue this law is meant to protect people from “criminals” in “masks and sweatshirts”.
So ridiculous that your right. Wouldn't wear masks because it violated their freedoms but just fine now when it violates their freedom. As long as we're all dying they're happy. What. The. Hell. Is. That. Someday they're going to invent all sorts of new mental health conditions that are going to be abbreviated with the word covid.
It's a violation of the ADA to not allow an immunocompromised patient to wear an N95 respirator in public, as it's required by Physician's orders.
I'm immunocompromised and have had to wear N95 Respirators in public long before the pandemic, and am not about to risk my life by not doing so. If I even catch a cold I wind up hospitalized with pneumonia every single time. My pneumonia mycoplasma tests came back looking like that of a 90-year-old woman while only in my twenties, and it is life threatening every time.
This law will be deemed a violation of the ADA the first time they try to making immunocompromised patient remove their mask.
I'm just worried about the petri dish of a patrol car if they do push it. And some cops would if you don't look sick enough that day. Especially young. My daughter is only 30 and when she does herself up, looks healthy as a horse, but she isn't at all. This scares me.
When have you been robbed in a store by someone in hoodies and masks azlady? I will answer. Never. Don't pretend that you are often threatened by criminals in hospital masks. It's bad enough for the sick people we love without anyone supporting this idiocy from paranoia and maybe some racism.
What about the safety of sick people Karen?
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