Fun fact: after this guy tweeted this twitter went wild and he got called ableist
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I think it makes people feel better to attribute a lack of understanding to something out of their control, rather than a poorly practiced skill.
In cases of ASD it is literally out of control and takes a lot of practice to even be able to detect sarcasm IRL. It wouldn't kill you to consider the experiences of others who are unlike you
Your assumptions about me and usage of "IRL" are completely correct and you have you have totally changed my mind. I absolutely love the infantalisation of autistic people and have never met a person with ASD who was able to to read a book.
I'd like to know where I infantalized autistic people in my original comment. Your comment implies that I think they're stupid, but that's also an incorrect assumption about me. I personally think that labeling difficulty detecting sarcasm as stupid is a very harmful mindset that perpetuates the idea that people who struggle with things like that are stupid. My point is that many people in this subreddit get unreasonably upset over people using something that makes it so much easier for everyone to understand each other on the Internet just because they were unable to just ignore the two little characters at the end of the post.
You are demonstrating the exact lack of reading comprehension skills I was talking about. This is a skill you can practice.
To help with my practice, can you let me know which parts of your message I didn't comprehend?
"I think that labelling difficulty detecting sarcasm as stupid [is bad]" responds to a statement which is not textual.
You've been absolutely cooked bud
Books do not apply to this argument because characters in books really use sarcasm, and when they do, it's immediately obvious because another character will react accordingly.
Is a lot harder to tell on the internet, especially where people say heinous and awful things in earnest all the time.
It IS a skill you can practice some degree AND you are not obligated to /s for us if you don't want to, but it's so ignorant to say that acknowledging a major symtom of autism is infantaliIng.
Yes, because the only sarcasm that has ever existed in literature are direct conversations between fictional characters, where one character uses an unambiguous tone and the other fully understands and reacts in an extremely simplistic manner. That definitely covers all literature ever.
Hey look, it's somebody trying to use hyperbole to conflate misunderstanding nuance with being incapable of reading social cues. How original.
What a truly excellent analysis which doesn't confuse sarcasm and hyperbole at all. Some truly stellar reading comprehension skills on display. Gold star. đĽ
Read Harrison Bergeron.
Gonna cry?
Yeah, but how about all the illiterate folks out there? It's not their fault they can't read or haven't tried to. They're just autistic and would rather blame it on that than actually putting in the work
I mean it's true. /s was created for autists.
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the /s is because people are scared of judgement. it's just annoying really.
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What does this even mean
I take negative downvotes so seriously every instance in which I receive negative feedback traumatizes and affirms my self hatred and feelings of hopelessness and belittlement.
Ok thanks for clearing that up
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I'm listening
What's with the clap emojis are you 13?
That's simply not true. It gained popularity along side several other indicators in forums and chatrooms long before
Plot twist: It's double sarcasm and he secretly agrees.
i would have believed it was sarcasm if he didn't put /s in the end.
It is ironic that even though itâs the main basis of the joke the /s at the end actually does make it harder to understand in a way lmao
Although this is one instance where the /s is needed as that is the punchline.
The /s is an integral part of the joke
The only time itâs needed for a joke is when theyâre making a joke about the s
Which is the case here so I don't know why you downvoted me.
The /s is literally the punchline in a joke taking the piss out of the /s
Oh shit I totally misread your comment as a /s defender
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It's twitter,
People get mad over everything there,
Why are you honestly surprised?
I can guarantee you that like 95%+ of high functioning autistic people can understand it, and for those who canât, thereâs other ways to read sarcasm aside from just letting your brain automatically make the connection like it does for most people
It ruins a perfectly good joke by explaining why you are supposed to laugh (even if you some how need the /s, explaining jokes hardly ever makes it funny)
As autistic, (obv high functioning like 99% of the people who identify as autistic) If a message seams like itâs mean, I assume itâs sarcasm. If someone is serious theyâll let you know pretty quickly.
Calling people ableist over this is admiting your own mental retardation, so i take it as a compliment mostly.
wow. that's... actually ableist. like i don't use that term lightly but like. that's unambiguously ableist.
Just give it 3 or 4 more years and whatever term you use to describe it now will be considered unambiguously ableist.
explain to me how saying "you're disabled and that makes me feel better about myself" isn't ableist and incredibly rude
He said the no no word, basically the same as pushing people in wheelchairs over for fun.
who fucking cares.
Why donât you do that yourself, if youâre so adamant that it no one will care?
You really do live up to your username!
This sub is a good place for ableists to go.
yeah, i mean, that's fair. i myself am autistic but hate tone tags, because i personally find they detract from comedy immensely. that being said, i'm not actually a member of this sub because i think some of the members can be a bit extreme about it lmao
I don't find it detracting from comedy as much as the people in this sub do. I guess it's something to get used to, but some people would rather get mad over something that helps people a lot. Sometimes I wonder if the people here are being sarcastic with how extreme they're being, but it's not like I can really ask lol. Maybe we just need to find a way to balance making the joke and explaining it to people who want it explained. It'd be so cool if there was a feature where tone tags were built in and you could opt out if you wanted to. There's really so much that could be done so everyone's happy but it'll probably take a while to get people to listen lol
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I think if your post isnât clear enough that someone can tell itâs sarcasm, then your post isnât funny enough.
Either that, or the /s would ruin some legendary posts like âsharks are smoothâ or â3 weed smoking girlfriends,â so either way the /s exclusively hurts humor on the internet
I mean if it's a genuinely wild statement, I still rear on the end of thinking it's just some trolling or a shit post. At that point I think people really just want to be babied and told how to think/feel about whatever bullshit they see posted on the media application or website.
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repost word for word of one of the top posts on the sub!
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Lol the irony of how ignorant that implication is. The whole sarcasm thing is about the inability to pick up on tonal nuances that come with it, not the inability to understand a joke. Sure, the "literal interpretation" part comes in, but even that's a reach.
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I just had to google what "ableist" means. And to that i say no, one can be stupid with or without having the "/s" pointed out. Needless to say i got sarcasm wrong as well a couple times, so fucking what?
More than that, i am of opinion that many excuse their extreme stupidity under the false pretense of autism. This is also the reason why stupidity runs the world and why stupid people have privileges and the right to speak.
What did he expect, posting a joke to twitter?
As an autistic person I don't see how this is ableist
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Not James :(
Every single person in this comment section is chronically online and needs a fucking break lol
Sarcastic joke is something that first seems wrong or twisted to say but often than not is extravagant to the point it gets over the top, and that itself is subtext for sarcasm working as indication the joke indeed is sarcasm because, no person with rational mind would honestly say it like they mean it. For easy example "Hitler did nothing wrong." Sure there is somewhere out there some mentally unhealthy neo-nazi or KKK who thinks thus holds true, but the most common people around the globe don't think like that and that you should be able to comprehend.
To not be able to understand something which is so clearly wrong that it makes no rational sense is like not being able to understand the consept between what's right and wrong. If one can't understand what's acceptable between right and wrong, well that's just your own inability to have any kind of moral compass. Either that or you're not able to understand not every person in this world is contantly serious about every single thing as you are because they like to laugh once and for while.
Not everything in this world is always as they seem. Allow yourself to think things from different perspective because not everything is straigth forward. If everything was no one would ever lie, everyone would tell only truths, life would be easy and we would all live in a world of Dora the Explorer where the hardest challenge to come by is guessing what colored the red firetruck is.
So thats what that means.
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is this sarcastic... I can't tell, you forgot the /s
i was wondering why people here were hating on these so much, and then i saw the name of the sub. It's really beautiful how passionate you are about hating something so insignificant, i love it! /s
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this is a prime example of why tone indicators are useful. if you take away the /s from the end of this, it simultaneously looks like he likes and dislikes tone indicators, at least for me. they donât add anything to jokes and theyâre not supposed to. theyâre an accessibility tool for people that cannot make the distinction that this quote is supposed to be sarcastic. saying that a joke looks dumb with a /s is like saying a building looks dumb with a wheelchair ramp.
cannot believe thereâs a whole subreddit for this lmfao
Get out of here this is our territory
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It is embarrassing, for you
Projection at its finest!
this is such a weird fucking hill to die on⌠how do tone indicators even effect you?
They ruin perfectly good jokes
And life goes onâŚ
Because it's equivalent to someone saying "I'm telling a joke" after telling a joke.
Some people donât get social cues (i.e. people with autism)
Iâm not saying you HAVE to use indicators. But I AM saying itâs an absolute dick move to criticize people who do.
Some people donât get social cues
Not everyone will get every joke, and that's alright. Same goes for sarcasm.
Writers have been able to convey sarcasm through text alone for centuries, imagine how irritating it would be if they announced said sarcasm rather than just let the writing speak for itself.
Some people donât get sarcasm. I said this already. People choose to use tone indicators as a kind accommodation to those who may not understand the present sarcasm otherwise.
if you are someone who doesn't comprehend sarcasm you presumably comprehend that you do not comprehend sarcasm and shouldn't be that affected by the lack of indicators.
Making it worse for 99% of people to improve it for 1% is not a good idea
â/sâ doesnât make anything worse for anyone.
Also thatâs not how that works whatsoever. If someone doesnât get sarcasm, their first thought wouldnât be âis this sarcasm?â it would be âwhy is this person saying something rude to me?â
âWhy waste resources building wheelchair ramps? They only help like 1% of the population and the other 99% now thinks the building looks ugly!â -you right now
I hardly think a wheelchair ramp is a negative for 99% of that 99%, and itâs pretty obvious which 1% cares more
Being able to go places = understanding a joke?
Please don't rope wheelchair users into this too
Let me break down the metaphor for you since it seems difficult. I was comparing wheelchair ramps to using /s. Their similarities begin and end with âsomething that exists to help those less capable with a specific task, without impeding the abled.â I could have used anything, like automatic can openers for people with grip strength issues. Iâm saying that having a wheelchair ramp doesnât make it difficult to get inside a building if you can walk, so why get upset about it when it helps those with wheelchairs? The /s helps some people understand the tone of written text better. If the /s at the end of a sentence ruins the joke for you, you should do some self searching to figure out why it bothers you.
Have you ever read a book? Does The Hitchhiker's Guide to Galaxy have an /s after every couple of sentences?
No, of course not. It wouldnât fit in with the actual literatureâŚ
Reddit and Twitter comments arenât literature. Itâs entirely different.
It isn't a dick move to criticise people who you believe make the internet worse off, even if they have good intentions.
It is a dick move. You clearly just want something to complain about, and you probably have some stupid hate-boner for neurodivergent people.
How does us complaining about tone indicators affect you? Sounds like you just want something to complain about
Itâs disrespectful. Being an ignoramus isnât some kind of flex, nor is it something to be proud of.
You are being disrespectful towards us, we don't like something, we made a space to complain about it, then you come into said space and complain about us complaining.
I don't think anyone is proud of it or thinks they are super cool radical man because they don't like when people put a /s on a joke
Grade A redditor nonsense right here.
What about it is nonsense? Is that not what you are doing? Did someone kidnap you and lock you in the sub??
You say this, but a lot of people get mad if you don't use them sooo
Okay? Let them be mad.
Let people make jokes.
The â/sâ doesnât take away from jokes. It only does if youâre delusional enough to rage about it on a dedicated subreddit.
Well, this is Reddit after allâŚ
the degradation of our collective intelligence is something to mourn
people tend not to see the overarching consequences of these small things. society has been on the downswing for decades. the "/s" is a symptom of a cancer that most people haven't yet to notice.
calling out the symptoms may lead people to eventually notice the source of said symptoms.
A cancer? Really? Lmao.
You canât ignore cancer or itâs symptoms, but you certainly can ignore a âslash sâ after a joke online.
These people are seriously acting like adding two characters at the end of a string of text ruins all potential humor it had beforehand. It's absurd how they have to make a whole subreddit and bot when they could just ignore it. Ig people have to find something to complain about
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I don't think understanding how to read makes you an ableist.