I'm tired of Firefly not being talked about well enough. May V3 be good enough for it to be loved more.
The year is 20XX
Boothill with only his head no body vs Fireflop is not even close!!! /j
As of now, Firefly can keep up with Acheron in her best team, so I'm pretty sure she's going to make some people shut up once she comes out.
Doomposters are gonna doompost, but our girl will make it through regardless!
Yeah, it seems like there is people that are misunderstanding why a lot of people don't like her rn, it's not about damage per se.
She is already really good, but people only want to see hyper-broken characters powercreeping the last one released
Which is not healthy, but its what these people are used to now. Sad
What kind of investment does she need to keep up with Acheron? Also what's her best team?
She needs HMC and Ruan Mei, if you want to replace any on them don't even bother
You poor thing, she can't "keep up" with acheron, she's direct downgrade
jajajaja
Hah, you call others "poor thing" while having fallen for the first beta's doomposts?
See you in next ~20 hours
Sure! I doubt they actually nerf her, and I somehow doubt even more that you have insider info from before the beta releases.
So yeah: You fell for doomposts. Get over yourself.
Lol
I mean Boothill is fking insane at single target, but the way people talk about Firefly makes you think she’s Dehya 2.0 when she can very well keep up with JL and even Acheron like wtf
It is missinformation wildfire. Informed people are complaining about how restricted she is which is fair but Ig she is like what HB in Gi was, she is the 1st superbreak focus. It is unfortunate but I dont think MHY gonna limit superbreak to HMC.
But then Braindama- illitera- I mean less informed people doompost because they saw her rather poor performance outside of superbreak combining with the fact that they have literal zero clue of how superbreak and FF kit works.
Like fuck off with FF = Hook = Asta IN SUPERBREAK garbage comment. I dont even know how it come to this.
In Gi there are people who judge character from dmg per screen shot number instead of the kit and that was already borderline braindead, this is way beyond that because if you read the kit you know it isnt true and even If you pook at dmg/screen shot number you also know it isnt true.
the only other team she can do and perform well is going crit while hitting the lower points of her stat requirements with 3 supports, sure itll work but its too costly.
as for whether hoyo is gonna limit superbreak to HTB or not so far theres all other TB has their own unique mechanic such as destruction ult having 2 modes and perservation is the only characterr that has a taunt if you dont count boothill's single target taunt which increases damage taken on both sides.
rn superbreak as a mechanic is insanely strong and currently its superbreak making FF broken instead of the other way around. its so strong in fact that a team with only supports and sustains can clear moc in 2 cycles video for reference. so the hook/asta can somewhat replace FF argument is true to some extent its just that FF does it better.
in superbreak team FF is THE best driver in the game right now with her insane speed, bonus break bar damage, and turn advance in ult but at the end of the day thats all she is the driver for the superbreak team like the 1K EM kuki in hyperbloom. and people want FF to be dps not whatever we got right now so thats is a problem alot of people have with her kit right now.
Yeah, like "what u guys talking about?" SHE IS FUCKING GOOD and her Eidolons are very much not lost value. Dan Heng IL E2? Yeah, free charge atk is cool, but u like it more because of the action advance which btw the buffs of Sparkle runs out... Acheron E2? Yeah but better nihility coming out she don't really need it, but +1 charge for ult is very good.
she has one team, that is the problem.
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nuh, dhil had more teams, all of them roughly similar with some being stronger but less comfy. she has 1, just one, kafka also had more, and she could easily be played with crit at the time.
Unless im tripping, when DHIL came out, his undisputed best team is Tingyun + Pela. Then it became Tingyun + Hanya. Then Tingyun RM then now its RM Sparkle.
he also had tingyun and yukong, tingyun and asta was fine as well, amy combination of those 4 were, and certainly replacing one character doesn't lose half of the teams dmg.
They didn't become unusable when you replace one of those unit in the team, kafka still worked if you replaced sampo with serval
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for me those numbers without HMC look just sad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2-3HyVBIBQ The only place i can see her being usable without HMC would be Pure fiction when she can break trash mobs every time she attacks
No shit if u have jingliu/acheron/dhil at 5 - 50 ratio they are gonna do shit dmg. If u dont want to use hmc just build her crit and pair with support that actually helps her dmg like ruan mei bronya sparkle robin pela
Nobody's complaining that Firefly's bad. She deals incredible damage for fairly low investment on her main team, which also deals a good chunk of damage with its supports as well between HMC and Gallagher super-breaks. And she doesn't care about crit in her traditional build, which is fantastic for people trying to min-max her relics as there's pretty much only one stat she needs in excess.
People are just noting that she's restrictive to play because the way she was designed was to only really be paired with HMC. Her kit pretty much definitively tells you "build full BE" between all the BE thresholds, atk to BE conversion, and no crit at all between her traces, LC, or kit buffs. And yet without HMC, she deals pitiful damage on a full break build due to a lack of break detonations like Boothill has, and you basically have to build her hybrid/full crit in order to get decent mileage out of her without HMC, which plays counter to what her kit was designed for.
No use in arguing about it at the moment since her beta v3 kit is just around the corner which will likely have some tweaks to the kit we currently have access to, but there are definitely mechanical issues with her v2 kit, regardless of her current power level.
Idk why everyone is downvoting you when you are just saying the truth. Her kit is a mishmash of random effects and she hits like a truck becouse of her synergy with Superbreak. Nobody is saying she deals no damage, nobody is saying she is bad. She is just weird and wonky.
But it isn't?
Like her kit is perfectly designed to work with super break, every stat she gains boosts super break damage.
I truly don't understand how people think her kit is random effects. It shows a massive lack of understanding how break and super break works
Yes, she restricted (personally, don't care when she is restricted to a free character but other people may and i respect that) but her kit is perfectly catered towards working for super break.
I'm perfectly fine with her being a super-break dps, but there are a few issues with how the game enforces it.
1) Nothing in her kit explicitly mentions super-break. If you picked her up with zero context and built her exactly like she was meant to be built, you'd be confused why she wasn't dealing any damage until you pair her with HMC. Acheron mentions Nihility units, Topaz mentions follow-up attacks, Ratio mentions debuffs. Firefly's kit makes no mention of super-break, and people aren't going to be naturally inclined to think HMC is absolutely mandatory on her unless they do research.
2) By not pairing her with HMC, you'd have to build her with crit in order for her to deal meaningful damage without HMC, which isn't present on her traces, LC, or kit buffs. A character's primary build shouldn't be so heavily weighted on whether they're paired with one specific unit, especially when the game pretty much tells you "build full BE" but doesn't note that you need to also pair them with HMC for it to function.
3) Her health manipulation is completely misplaced. You'd imagine that Flames Afar would work on her because she consumes her own HP, and the LC even features Sam, but it's pretty much useless on her because you want to build her BE rather than dmg%. You could completely remove the health manipulation portion of her kit and she'd function just as fine as she currently does. It contributes nothing except for the misconception that she's a berserker dps like Arlan.
Fair on that. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that her kit is perfectly crafted for super break and isn't all over the place
Again, that is nothing to do with her kit being perfectly crafted towards super break. That's a different point entirely. Personally, I don't care at all and I hope it remains that she is a super break dps.
Yes, her health currently does nothing of value. Other can give her a supposed downside, sort of like jingliu
Again, her kit is pretty obvious that she wants to be built for super break/break. Everything she has is what a super break damage dealer would want. Whether people like that is another matter, but her kit is making perfect sense.
Her kit is all over the place and probably one of the most counter intuitive kits in the game.
- She converts some Atk into BE, so is she doing anything with that Akt? Nope, Break doesnt scale with Atk.
- She converts BE into a damage multiplier on her Enhanced Skill, this means she gets up to 580% dmg that hits like... a wet noodle. She has no crit in like her whole kit so that multiplier doesnt do anything on its own, and again Break doesnt scale with dmg%.
- Her Talent gives her dmg reduction and and Eff res when she's low, so does she gain anything from being low? Nope, her skill randomly drains her HP and then recovers it, so by the time the enemy can attack you are at full again.
She has a sort of identity crisis, where in early development she was supposed to scale with multipliers and benefit from losing HP like Arlan but somewhere they pivoted into a SuperBreak kit leaving a bunch of remnants that no longer add anything of value. As for right now, she could have like 2 atk and her skill do 1% dmg and she would still deal 6 figure dmg with superbreak. A mechanic that she cannot enable herself mind you.
Actually yes it does, break damage scales with base damage which is skill multiplier times stat it scales withs + extra damage.
That's simply not true, her kit doesn't give any damage% her be converts into def ignore multi.
You may be getting confused with her skill multiplier, which in that case... break damage does take that into account.
- Fair enough, it is insurance however just in case, but fair on that
It's clear you have misread her kit tho and don't understand how break damage scales.
https://hsr16.hakush.in/char/1310
that's a link to her kit to read it
https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Damage
And that's a link to show you how break damage is calculated
Base Dmg refers to the characters level, not the skills dmg%. Break scales with Element, level, max toughtness (regular break)/attacks toughtness dmg (superbreak), and then every def/res down on the enemy side. This is why Superbreak teams only need to build BE and speed.
Her enhanced Skill deals Fire DMG equal to 0.5 × Break Effect + 400% of SAM's ATK to the target enemy. A maximum of 360% Break Effect is calculated. So a max of 580% dmg on her skill, scaling off her Atk.
I understand half of her kit is a super break driver and she is the best super break carry currently, but that doesnt make the other half of her kit any less of a mess.
Exactly I see these simps always calling us people doomposting her saying that she’s trash because of low damage and only want her to power creep past dps is just false. Like I don’t see anyone doing that personally and like u said most complaints were never about her damage it’s just her problematic kit
Tbh. Even if she is dehya 2.0 im still pulling. She Can place a fire weakness and has strong iron man vibes. I'm all in.
I do hope that she can out scale boothill, especially since both are break DPS and most likely compete for RM. Either way, hoping for buffs at v3. Less reliance on HMC/RM, and more consistency overall
Its hillarious. Theyre glazing Boothill like hes the second coming of Elysia yet at the end of the day...hes single target. And has no turn control or followup. Watch as a week or two after release he gets trown to the gutter because he suffers from the same issues as almost every other hunt character.
Like legend once said: pros - great single target damage, cons - single target damage
Doomposting is part of the culture, you just either ride it or dont bother .
Goku meme? Idk, cyborgs do rely on their parts.
The thing is ff's damage IS good in her best team but my main problem is if you use any other team her damage gets alot worse and she basically needs htb, it's nice that it's kinda lore accurate but gameplay wise ruins some fun
Has there been any bad hsr characters?
As much as people love to deny it, Jingyuan is the worst 5 star in game now and probably in the future.
You're confusing a badly designed character with a powercrept character that was a product of his time.Think a character like cyno, who is very hard to make work, or dehya. Jingyuan is more like Klee, who's been powercrept.
Ummm, Jingyuan ?? Gameplay wise
Im pretty sure Blade is worse than Jing yuan but i guess "Mid Yuan" is more iconic
pig is more powerful than lightning lord, it can move while topaz is CCd
He is literally one of the most f2p friendly units considering the amount of 4 star harmony units he works with.
I mean bad as in you would need much more resources to make that character work than any other character. Not bad as in some parts of his kit has restrictions, since this is true for all DPS characters, even our newest DPSes.
midyuan
Midyuan copers incoming
Are we going to be r/JingYuanMain 2...
I mean, they are really nice and are very patient and not at all toxic, I would rather be closer to them than crazy Acheron fans.
I love both acheron and firefly, who's gonna stop me
What is the TL:DR of this Video? is it he is Stonger than her? People need to Stop making Clickbait BS to gain clout.....
Not really a video. Just a meme. But people really trying to downplay Firefly IS just funny when she still in beta.
Ah okay thanks, yeah it is the same Buisness as usial Like Ganyu, Kazuha, Raiden Ei, Raiden Mei Dan HengIL they do this all the Time, do they really think a Character which so much Screentime and Treatment during 2.0 and 2.2 will be a secret 4 Star? I'm telling everyone the Moment she comes out and Whales Powerfarm her Artifacts and Build her everyone Realizes she is a Top Notch Character^^.
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Just a reminders we could see a buff in later versions since she needs to be fixed at least for v3. Her current showcases are her dmg with one of her traces and her e1 not functioning. So they may not buff her in v3. But may buff her later
Wtf is this lmao
I mean… sure… but I’m down bad… so…
Even if firefly is trash i would still use her, i have made sushang work, i can do so with firefly even if she is trash
Boothill can be 100x better than firefly and I'd still skip him for firefly 👍
I mean, yeah. Pull for you like the most.
Yeah, I've got her bis team anyway so I've got no issue with her restrictions tbh
I think that this originated because of one video where Boothill E0S0 (and no LC whats so ever!) cleared MoC 12 with 3-4 cycles and no OP suports. Only Bronya E0 and Tin E6 I think with Fu Xuan or so. It was very surprising.
"Only one team" "Her damage will lack"
All I hear is wah wah wah, to be honest.
My Qingque is completely dependent on Sparkle and SilverWolf and she still manages to hit 200k (+160k if she procs e4), having just one team doesn't make a character worse and those people have to stop crying :P
well with firefly its different its more like jingyuan(a little bit worse) wheres she NEEDS other characters to fix her problem like ruanmei and gallagher they fix her short dmg window( by doing a LOT of tougness dmg so that FF can start doing dmg immediately upon ulting) she needs HMC to do enough dmg in to clear this is her exodia team and is meant to be supergood with her but difference between her and jingyuan and QQ is that they can use a tingyun /robin/huohuo team aside from jingyuan usual sparkle/ting/fu xuan and QQ's sparkle/fuxuan/RM
Well at least firefly is more cute, adorable, badass, what more do you want, she is perfect ~
doomposting who cares dont listen to ragebait
This is somewhat true In Early game Only since Most I've seen that actually have a brain only really want FF to be Usable Without HMC like Imagine a new Player Joins and they only Have FF, they will have a hard time on Story Bosses, while Boothill doesn't have this Problem because they don't need HMC to function.
The equilibrium lvl is low enough it will not matter. By the time it will, they will have htb no?
In 2.3 new players will obtain harmony trailblazer after cocolia fight
You can beat early game bosses with practically unbuilt 4*s and shit this is not a good faith argument
Being reliant on a free unit instead of a limited 5* support is a strength, not a weakness. If you want a legitimate talking point you could bring up the reliance on ruan mei but arguing against HMC dependance is just not it
You can beat it if you know what your doing but most of the people in the game they level up too fast and do the Equilibrium challenges. The bosses then get tougher because of this.
Also I did not say that being reliant on free unit is a weakness i just said they wont be able to access their full potential since as of now HMC is locked in Penacony.
Harmony mc will be given to people in jarilo VI next patch I thought
Oh I didn't know that since I only look at Character Kit leaks
Yeah I think they’re doing it because they are gonna start releasing a lot of break focused characters so they wanted early game people to have something to make those characters work well and sell them easier too
I wouldn't worry as much about Firefly as compared to worrying about boothill. After all, He's already powercrept by Firefly as break effect and now possibly will be powercreep as a too.
I'm really looking forward to the drip marketing in 2 weeks. The reactions are going to be amazing.
I don’t think you have seen the showcases then.
Both are really good damage wise, it is just that there is an agreement that Boothill’s kit doesn’t feel a bit clunky without HMC or RM, he can slot in many teammates and be ok, while FF is married to HMC and to a lesser extent RM, but her damage is great.
Yeah I agree but I'm sure that would be fixed and no need no worry about that i believe.
I'm frankly hoping they add extra break on enemies after breaking and defeating them. As someone who's planning E2S1 at minimum, it would be busted with her E2.
Maybe I'm wrong in here but maybe they should change her relic 4 piece effect. She's already have an abundant amount of def shred and I think it help more if it's something like increase damage against enemies with fire weakness.
Also, I was talking about .
What the, who made the thumbnails
bait post for sure
He is just that guy.
And also, your Jays, which you can't even wear, are fake.
What is that thumbnail lmao
Those are misleading images, Sam is now a winx club mecha with plastic swords, not a cool fire robot. Show the green form, don't be scared, it's the outcome we all have to deal with, the worst case scenario, but what we've been given nonetheless. Own it. Admit it.
...? That's a weird way of saying "It's the cool shit we saw in the White Night trailer"...
fireflymains is becoming as unbearable as midyuan mains.fireflymains is becoming as unbearable as midyuan mains.
Why'd you copy-paste it twice in a separate textbox?
no items. boothill only, final destination