Thank you Rufus for putting me out of my misery

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I was drugging along this game almost against my will. The more I played, the more I got caught up in sunken cost fallacy. Even from the beginning, Rebirth felt more like Mario Party than final fantasy with the amount of mini games they shoehorned into it but I kept progressing. It wasn’t fun. It felt work rather than pleasure.

Then I hit Rufus. That was the final straw. It’s not a fun battle. I don’t feel like I’m learning the mechanics. The Rufus battle feels like a microcosm of the rest of the game. Needlessly difficult with a huge difficulty spike. The level design is even worse. Who in their right minds made it so that the build has to be respeced after every defeat? Again, another time consuming oversight that does nothing more than slow down an already painfully bloated game. This entry is by far and away Square’s biggest disappointment.

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sheedyxx

Surprised you got that far with that attitude. If you decide to reconsider, Clouds ranged attack and braver might help with that fight

ManThing910

And disorder too. Braver has a tighter window for activation but disorder also helps.

postulate4

I’m sorry that Square forced you to play and not have fun. Maybe next time try assessing Rufus and reading his weaknesses to figure out a strategy instead of banging your head on the wall.

You might have a point if you were on hard mode, but you’re probably playing on normal so it’s definitely a skill issue.

Due_Reference_8810

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Me too. But I liked most all their titles. Hopefully they take some of the garbage out of the next one, including the sheer volume of mini games

Anxious_Pixie

I applaud you getting this far with how much you seem to dislike the game. Definitely a skill issue. Can’t just hack and slash at Rufus. Once you figure his attacks and how to counter them, it clicks. Still annoying but doable.

ALSGaming85

Sorry to hear that man. Take a break a long one if needed then try again I'm sure you will overcome Rufus.

NokstellianDemon

Sephiroth

I love how Rufus Shinra is consistently a skill check for shit players lmao. Fighting Rufus was interesting and unique, you play his way which is fun for a one off gimmick boss.

teffhk

Tbh Rufus shinra isn’t much a skill check when it changes the fight mechanism that game teaches the player from the beginning. It may not be the same case for every character but the ATB build up system is actually based on hack and slash for cloud, especially for normal and easy mode. Rufus fight throws what the players have been doing since the start and requires players to block and counter with ATB attack instead. This is totally understandable to me that some players just dislike that. Like I don’t find it difficult at all once I figured it what to do, but before it was annoying and frustrating

Choingyoing

Rufus made me rage quit hard mode too lol

BlackEagle28

I don’t get it, how so many struggle with Rufus. Rufus is not hard. He is just the noob blocker, cause you can‘t button mash him. If you are not interested in playing a game and just want to tap the same button all the time, then maybe watch a movie?

Due_Reference_8810

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I was able to get to dog phase with noob blocking and the blocking materia but I was so sick of the game even before this battle I lost any desire motivation to keep at it

MovieGuyMike

If you’re on normal you can just use disorder to counter most of Rufus’ moves.

Fast_Can_5378

At this point Rufus is now mostly viewed as a skill test for the player. There have been a good deal of people who say they struggled on Rufus and eventually and unfairly hated the game after that and then we discover what they were doing (or I guess were not doing during the fight), it clearly speaks for itself why they couldn't really beat it.

I don’t feel like I’m learning the mechanics.

I'm surprised you even lasted this long if you aren't/can't seem to learn anything useful. Even on dynamic Rufus isn't that big a deal. Is there a noticeable spike in difficulty? Kinda, but it's still very manageable if you just learn how to play properly.

Who in their right minds made it so that the build has to be respeced after every defeat?

The respecing after Elena/Rude and before Rufus every time you lose is not necessary/mandatory. If you can't seem to beat him with any build in the game where the bulid matters less than skill, it's just a skill issue at that point. Everything you need to beat him is already within Cloud's innate nature of playstyle.

Djinnaz

Skill issue

Due_Reference_8810

-2

If I cared, I would provide a full list of why I was over the game before I got to him but I don’t think you want to hear it based on your post. So I’ll save both of us time.

RageZamu

Yeah, Rufus is the basic player wall. You have to stop mashing buttons and keep an eye on the enemy. If you feel like this is too much, and also think the game is a chore, just quit. I do not agree with you on your opinions, as I believe Rebirth's battle system is the best, most complete and fun to play, and so are the majority of the minigames. They are optional, you can just NOT DO THEM.

People complaining that SE gave us a lot more content just escapes my understanding. You can choose not to do the minigames, so why do them.

triplex1080

Actually based and real take, same here. OP is just on his skill issue streak with some smooth brain criticism.

FellVessel

skill issue

Due_Reference_8810

-6

Ahh the generic Reddit “skill issue” post. Literally the smooth brain response to any criticism

Fat-Cloud

Like your smooth brain criticism? Deserves the same level of response

Princess_Mintaka

If we're gonna have a smooth brain competition maybe don't play a game you hate for multiple of hours just so you can rage quit and post about it on Reddit

FellVessel

skill issue

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Jockmeister1666

Aerith Gainsborough

Look, it’s a troll with a skill issue!

Due_Reference_8810

-1

What an original thought!

chaltimore

Game8 literally tells you effective approaches ways for every boss, its onky a difficulty spike if you’ve been avoiding specs of the battle system

McCheesy22

Wow that’s crazy, they made Mario Party into an action RPG?

Ragnadriel

Game was not for you, bummer you didn’t get your moneys worth. I also got caught up in the mini-game trap as a completionist and the grind did tire me out. Other than that, absolutely loved it. Enjoyed the fights that took you out of the “do the same stuff you did in every fight” routine, like Rufus. Perhaps the only fight you can’t cheese in hard mode.

Despite some minor points, I still consider Rebirth to be an absolute masterpiece.

teffhk

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OP it’s just sad the people in this Reddit just can’t accept any criticism and just responds with “skill issue” without providing any discussion. I would say I actually kinda feel the same when I first fought him but once you know what to do he is pretty straight forward. If you assess him you will see he counter all your melee attacks and the only windows to punish and pressure him is when he does the reload. So the whole mechism is basically build you your ATB when he attacks, and use your ATB attack on him when he reloads. Yes the game never really teaches you that and never had any fight like this before or even after, so I kinda get what you are coming from lol