Deep Lore (Chainsaw Man Spoilers)
Spoiler[Chainsaw Man]Also Santa is a pedophile
fake Santa is. Real Santa but did groom someone
Santa Claus (Fake/doll) asked for kids to use in contracts for the real Santa Claus to open a gate to hell. It wasn't for other reasons, that was a red herring to hide the real Santa Claus identity since that Santa is a doll.
Explain, please and thank you.
The dog ate the concept of nazis and they got retconned out of existence.
Wildly based.
…what
So that dog has the power to erase concepts if it eats their devil. A devil is the manifestation of humanities fear of something. It ate the nazi devil and erased nazis from existence.
Huh. That’s uhhhhh… odd?
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All I know about it is that it’s pretty much just JJK with poorly hidden kinks
That's not even close to accurate.
JJK is a much more traditional shounen than Chainsaw Man. They're really not very similar. People compare them because they're both dark urban fantasy stories featuring an organization that fights evil supernatural creatures, but the direction they go with that concept couldn't be more different.
Just read the first few chapters, you'll see the difference.
you deserve one billion downvotes for this
Damn, I dared to make a joke about anime? How could I. Shall I turn myself into the police now, or would you rather I submit myself to a firing squad straight away?
no you shall submit yourself to One Billion Downvotes, only the joker can make jokes, buddy
Yeah, IIRC, A whole bunch of shit got erased...
WWI
WWII
Nazis
Aids
Syphilis
Nuclear Weapons
IIRC WW1 still happened, as Germany isn't an empire and the Soviet Union exists
9/11
Nine eleven wouldn’t have happened yet since chainsawman takes place in the ninety’s
only because he ATE THE Y2K DEVIL
It’s incredible based
each devil in chainsawman represents a concept that people fear, ie chainsaws or Nazis. The chainsaw devil (for reasons I don't remember) has the ability to erase devils and therefore the concepts they represent including nazis
I dont think there is a real reason why it's just a power he has
I’m guessing that he somehow consumed a pretty strong Devil before he gained the “erasing concepts” ability. I like to think that he got the power of the Amnesia Devil, who asked to be consumed because nobody could remember it and therefore is eternally lonely
Fear of being forgoten devil
Who?
it's because he has that dawg in him hope this helps
He gets called chainsaw man but not the chainsaw devil so some theories believe he is so strong because he is the demon of oblivion basically the demon of being forgotten
I swear he gets called the chainsaw devil
iirc Chainsaw Man (Denji with the powers of the Chainsaw Devil) and the true form of the Chainsaw Devil are treated as different characters in the context of the story
Yeah but they still call pochita the chainsaw devil
makima did once or twice in the beginning i believe, but her word ain't exactly trustworthy
During endgame makina usually calls him chainsaw man instead of chainsaw devil
Mixed bag factor as core theory is that he is feared more by devils than by men.
Denji is the Chainsaw Man because of their hybrid nature, Pochita in themselves still is the devil.
Makima always calls pochita chainsawman tho
Chainsaw Man is the human-devil hybrid form Denji can take, but we do see mentions of a Chainsaw Devil
IIRC the
Yeah, but that would have to mean they have to fear him for a reason i.e. his ability to kill them forever. It's a catch 22
Maybe it started as just a rumor, but so many devils believed it it became true.
Devils don't seem like the type to trust other devils baselessly
Still, they're not inherently intelligent and can be kinda dumb. Power comes to mind. Get enough of those devils believing it, suddenly it becomes kinda true, now smarter devils believe it because it is true and suddenly its just an unshakable fact.
I don't think devils can just stop believing something because it's convenient. Makima couldn't control Pochita because she only controls those she thinks are inferior. It's as simple as believing he was inferior to her and she would have won, but she couldn't do that.
It's on of the main mysteries of the series, but personally I think he is the 'birth' devil, especially since giving birth is one of the most fundamental fears and what chainsaws were originally made for. So by consuming devils, he is 'unbirthing' those fears, erasing their existence.
Chainsaws were made for giving birth?????
Yup, and for cutting bone in general. Originally a much smaller chain and hand cranked, meant for cleanly cutting through the pelvis during c-section.
Denji m preg when?
Whenever you pick up a pencil and share your vision to the world, I guess?
The more I learn about csm the less I feel like I know about it
Katana Man wanted to shove Denji’s dick up his own ass once
(CSM spoilers)
“Once” that was the most recent chapter.
His hatred is entirely stupid too.
Sometimes I wish I wasn’t the way I am and I could actually watch this show
unfortunately the Chainsaw Man anime is behind as hell, it’s only covered two arcs, and it’s gonna be a WHILE until it even gets to Part 2, much less the Public Safety stuff
Reze movie did get announced for later this year tho
Oh I’m not worried about any of that, it’s just I really dislike one of the characters and it’s prevented my from ever picking it up
Denji , Power , Kishibe , Makima?
Angel, kobeni, aki, violence?
Red haired lady
That would be Makima. She's a doozy.
If you dislike sexist main character then maybe the fact that it's on purpose will make you feel better. Denji needs to be a fucked up person that objectifies women because the story revolves around him learning to be better.
I don’t have a problem with denji, just the red haired lady
Similarily, she's an awful person on purpose. Even if manga doesn't frame her like that at first (it kinda follows main characters perspective in that regard) she IS a villian and manga acknowledges that. She also hurts people in a way that will make sense later if you want to get into the story, no scene of her manipulating people is there for some fetish dommy mommy fanservice.
Pochita should eat the Social Anxiety Devil fr fr
It was never said that pochita is the chainsaw devil. My theory is that he is the Devil of life. Chainsaws were originally used for C-section and every devil hears the sound of a chainsaw when they get reborn. It would explain why he is one of the strongest characters we have seen fight.
I’m personally partial to Pochita being the “Pain” or “Mutilation” Devil theory, both of those are near universal fears of any living creature - Easily making it on par with, if not one of the primal devils - It takes the form of chainsaws because, well, they aren’t weapons. They aren’t made for killing, they’re made to rip away at wood, so when you try to use one on a person it’s very poor at actually cutting and thus is an agonizing, excruciating thing to be attacked with
As for why Pain or Mutilation would grant the erasure ability, no clue, maybe it’s a reference to a yokai or some Japanese ghost, they have one for anything
A safe assumption is that it's the devil of cutting. Which would include cutting away the memory or the whole existence of other demons and the thing they're associated with.
I personally theorized that since chainsaws sever the "trunk" of a concept, it kills the roots and the branches in one blow. It makes sense, considering that Devil powers are sometimes plays on words like the
We also don’t know if Chainsaw Man is the chainsaw devil, for all we know he could be the alzheimers devil and he just forgors all his enemies when he eats em.
There was a Nazi devil? Was it literally just Hitler?
ok so
Devils are beings made up of humanity’s fears. For example, the Nuke Devil is powered by humanity’s fear of nukes, and has nuke related powers. The Tomato Devil is made up of humanity’s fear of tomatoes, and has…tomato powers. Yeah, different power levels for different Devils.
The Chainsaw Devil, seen above, for some reason, when eating Devils in Hell, retroactively erases them from existence. Why? idk. Maybe the rumor spread in Hell that Pochita could do that, then the belief and fear of the Devils caused Pochita to gain that power.
The Chainsaw Devil ate a ton of Devils, including the Nuke Devil, Nazi Devil, AIDS Devil, as well as concepts that Fujimoto (the author of CSM) made up like Arnolone Syndrome, SOA, and a star that fucked up kids that looked at it
Humanity doesn’t remember that those concepts existed, though the Horsemen Devils remember
There's also the three four other eternal fates that awaited humans at the end of life besides death and humanity's sixth sense.
the what
CSM is a shounen battle manga with strong horror elements. It takes the "Humanity is in an eternal battle with monsters" concept that a lot of stories run with, throws out the secret world aspect and turns up the collateral damage to 11. There's basically a stealth cosmic horror going on in the background as the Book of Revelations itself unfolds. I urge anyone who is intrigued by this to read the Manga because this entire discussion is filled with major spoilers for the first 97 chapters (aka Part 1) which is immaculately written IMHO.
Yeah, people in the CSM universe apparently didn’t always die at the end of their lives, but the other ways a life could end were eaten
I'd assume reincarnation was one of them- considering that Devils can still remember what he's eaten. Like Yoru and WW2.
In Chainsaw Man, people didn't use to die when they were killed
holy shit i don't read csm but i have to imagine death devil/darkness devil/unknown devil are going to be so fucking sick when they appear
Darkness devil already did briefly and that guy rocked EVERYONE'S shit
The best part about it was that Fujimoto illustrated the whole thing like a surreal Lynchian horror film down to fucking with the manga framing and paneling, to really bang home the idea that this is a primal, irrational fear that's been around since before mankind made civilization.
Those devils fall into a category called “Primal Fear Devils” and every devil in that category is fucking wild. It’s a major event when one appears
Darkness devil is one of a group of devils known as the primal fears. They're considered the strongest devils in the setting and are basically immortal. So far we've only seen the darkness and falling primal fears and we don't know what the other one's are
Primal fears almost never end up in realtiy because the normal way a Devil shows up is
Yep, the only way they'd be able to get to the real world is if somebody managed to summon them.
Darkness Devil already appeared and had a sick-ass entry:
ohhhh, that's who caused that panel
I didn't read CSM yet either, but what I do know is that pretty much almost every fear in existence is based after the unknown and not knowing stuff.
People fear the dark because they can't see what's there, and don't know what could be hiding there. People fear death because they don't know what happens afterwards. So on and so on.
The Unknown Devil, If it ever appears, Should be one of the strongest things ever from what I understand.
I mean it technically ate the fear of hitler personified, which led to Hitler no longer existing, so no, the dog did not eat hitler. After all, how do you eat something that doesn’t exist? ;)
So did the holocaust retroactively not happen in chainsaw man?
yeah probably,
also WWII and a bunch of other wars were also erased due to Pochita biting a chunk out of Yoru, the War Devil
Correct. (CSM Part 1 spoilers)
(Part 2 spoilers)
Part 1 spoilers:
All of World War 2 was erased from existence in that universe, so yeah. It retroactively didn’t happen. Some devils can occasionally remember things that were erased, but they can’t even necessarily remember what those things were, just that they did exist at some point
The exact mechanics are unclear. Probably it did still happen but most memories and records of it were removed from the world. Likely this means a lot of people have family members they know died but can't remember how.
The manga actually says that the Chainsaw Devil retroactively erases the concept of whatever devil he consumes, so due to him eating the Nazi Devil, there never were any Nazis, and due to him also partly devoured the War Devil, there hasn't been a war since WW1, so the Holocaust may have simply never happened.
I think concept could refer to the thing itself or to the idea of the thing in people's minds, and the latter makes more sense because the idea in your mind is the direct thing that you fear, and because actually changing history like that requires changing literally everything after that thing was first introduced. The extreme historical divergence taking place every time a devil is eaten is just too much
Just because it "makes more sense " to you doesn't mean it's true. The nature of the Chainsaw Devil's powers is stated outright by a character who still has memories of the timelines that were altered by Chainsaw Man and she says outright that the concepts were completely removed from history and never existed. One of the War Devil's motives is trying to find a way to reverse this process to bring back nuclear weapons.
Chainsaw Man does not exist in our world. It's a world where numerous things, some which exist in the real world and some which don't, never existed. Makima's whole plan would make zero sinde if what you claimed was true since she wants to usevthe Chainsaw Devil's power to erase things like famine, war, and death to make Earth a paradise.
And aids.
Good boy. [*oils chain affectionately*]
Could Pochita get any more based
He cured AIDS
Pochita truly is the Hero of Hell
I know nothing about Chainsaw Man, but good boy I guess
He didn't eat Hitler, he ate the Nazi devil which caused everyone to forget that Hitler ever existed. Classic Tumblr misinformation.
It doesn't make people think Hitler never existed. It makes the thing itself go away. So Hitler's non-existence is in fact a result of Pochita chowing down on the personification of the Nazi ideology
the personification of the Nazi ideology
Rather, the personification of the fear of Nazis. Who knows, maybe the Nazi devil was an upstanding fellow who just so happened to have horrible genocide powers.
Don't devils have their personalities linked to their concepts? Power likes the feeling of warm blood, Yoru is obsessed with war, Makima is a control freak, etc.
I don't think we've ever seen a devil that actually dislikes their own concept. Tho, if that was the case, imagine being born as the nazi devil. I would just ask pochita to eat me already 💀
There aren't any devils who hate their concepts, as far as I'm aware, but there are some who don't seem to have strong opinions about their concepts and many who clearly have lives outside them, so it's isn't impossible that the Nazi Devil may have not really cared about Nazi ideology all that much.
Makes sense
Hitler probably still existed, but without Nazism he was likely never more than a fascist that got arrested and wrote a book in jail.
Tried to eat the reading comprehension devil but failed as it was too powerful
The terrible painter rose to power, regime came, then the fear, then the devil, then it got eaten. So it didn’t actually eat funny moustache man, it ate the ENTIRE CONCEPT HE REPRESENTED. Even better.
Based Pochita
pochita is the type of dog that deals 11640 damadge per second
He also ate AIDS
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also, Santa Claus was there