Parasite speaking facts about LAG
TwitterLiterally just make everyone move to Dallas (who isn’t there already) for qualifiers and do the Majors all over North America
I said this in a thread not long ago. Everyone should get to Dallas/as close as they can, make every single match all year LAN.
I mean shit isn’t Nade moving to Austin. Let LAT be out of Dallas. LAN league
Do we know what teams currently arent in Texas? I know Faze and Ultra aren't. I'm pretty sure Boston isn't as well
Everybody was shitting on them before the season even started cause they dropped asim 😭🙏
Crashing out over asim in 2024
And the whole flanked had LAG not making champs 🥶
What are you talking about? Asim last played for LAG in 2022
You missed the preseason drama. LAG originally built a roster that included Gunless, Asim, and two others before dropping them for a whole new roster. They got a lot of hate for it but it clearly worked out.
good lord in what world does a coach for a CDL team work for free?
Probably someone who wants to get into the pro-scene, make a name for themselves, and hopefully land a paid job on another team or if the budget on LAG went up (which since they wanted to leave CoD, probably not)
honestly with the exception of jp i couldn't tell you a single coach in the league that wasn't a former pro. i don't see a reality where someone that's not already in the scene takes an unpaid job to potentially get paid for their work in the future. could be wrong on that but folks got bills to pay
LAG's coach, Veohz, was never a pro for example, he was a coach for some AM teams though for a few years. I'm not too sure about Dreal's playing history either.
You're also kinda describing unpaid internships and how the scene used to work. Like people have to start from somewhere and prove their worth. If you're coaching an AM team or just helping out, chances are you aren't really gonna get paid much or anything. Like if I was so passionate about getting into the scene, I would probably want to get some in at any org because that way, I could at least make some connections and build a resume of work. If I was that passionate, I probably would do some other paid work in the evening, and treat esports as a side hustle that could end up working out.
Dreal was a pretty solid am. Played at multiple cod champs, and best placing was T16 in BO4/IW opens.
but internships do not equal full time jobs as coaching AM teams does not equal coaching a CDL team. to me, there's no excuse for an organization with enough to invest in the CDL to not be paying their staff. if anything, if this is commonplace, it explains why some bottom 8 teams remain bottom 8 teams- how can you expect your teams to get better if you're not offering compensation for the person responsible for steering the ship in the right direction? wouldn't you want to give that person the opportunity to direct 100% of their attention to their coaching position instead of splitting their time between that and an evening job?
I just think there are two separate issues. I think offering internship and opportunities for people really passionate to come in and see if they can make an impact is always good. And in an ideal world, this work would be paid. Budgets exist and some orgs just don't give a shit. It's a sad consequence of this franchised league and the buy-in that used to exist.
I guess what I took from the initial statement from Parasite is that there are people working for free and I assumed that wouldn't be the head coach, but more like the assistant coaches, snd analysts, or data analysts who are a part of the staff. And if you are taking your chance on people who might not have the player resume to speak to, there would be less incentive to commit to giving them a full time job in the first place.
I guess I'm just speaking to how unpaid internships could lead to jobs. I don't feel like they are as common but I just feel like the stereotype has been there where someone will ask to basically get their foot in the door at a regular job, maybe do copies and do coffee runs. Maybe after working for a few months, will get their own project to do and that could result in being employed. Maybe that's too idealistic, but if you compare it to other ventures, it's not so different. If you started a comp cod youtube channel, you probably wouldn't get paid for a bit until/unless you started growing.
organizations would have less incentive to pay their coaches because they’re unproven, and as a result the coaches would have less incentive to do their best work since they’re not being compensated.
i just don’t understand the internship angle here. working for a CDL team should BE the full time job you work for. it is literally THE professional league. considering how much money the organization has invested into the success of their team, they’re bringing you on to do work for them under the assumption that it’s the only work you do. scrims, vod reviews, traveling to majors ~5 times a year should be viewed as no less than full time work
i don’t appreciate the perspective that you should work for free, ever. that horseshit companies feed you that you’ll get your shot if you just keep going is a tactic to take advantage of your labor under the false pretense of future success.
I think its the opposite honestly, because the fact that you even have a coaching spot on a 12 team league means that you have a real chance to make an impact, build a good reputation, and look for other opportunities the following season for pay. If a new SnD Coach came in for Optic and volunteered their time to help them, and Optic go on to break their SnD loss streak, people would flock to that person being a good hire for next season. That person now has leverage to so they can negotiate for a paid position since they have proved themselves. Any job in the world requires that you have some credibility and skills that you can apply, its why degrees/apprenticeships are common ways to get those credentials. There isn't something like that in CoD.
I don't think current paid coaches work 40 hours a week though. Major weekends are only when they seem really busy. From watching some of the team's documentaries, these players and coaches show up at 11am at the earliest and wrap up their work by 6pm. Game days could be a bit longer if they play later in the day. And if you have a larger staff, that work gets even less. Someone else is responsible for compiling data, getting the vods in order to do a review, etc.
Plus if you are trying to break into the scene and get any small role, you probably aren't working that much and it would be no different than if you picked up a side hustle. Like if you decided to start a youtube channel, become a photographer, make music. I don't think you'd say, hey go drop everything you are doing and just make this your full time job when you haven't proven you're good at it and your skills aren't desired in the market currently. Like you said, people have to pay bills and i think its unrealistic to expect full time jobs when you have not done anything to earn it. It's like saying because a company needs a coach, they should give a random person a full time job.
I fundamentally don't view it as work though. So it isn't "working for free". I view it as just volunteering your time and following your passions. You're not working a full 40 hours in the first place, you probably aren't starting off as the head coach, you probably are putting in a few hours a day to help out a team since you like comp cod. Those few hours could go to some other passions you have. I feel like that's the standard way people create youtube channels for example. People keep their normal job, work on it as a side hustle for a few hours, often earning no money. If it blows up, they can pursue it full time.
Hey its Arian, Assistant Coach of LAG For context: I was the analyst for both LAG & The Academy last year with Mark & Mayhem / Veohz. Full time.
When Veohz was given the Head Coach Spot, He reached out to me and my twin brother (Cheek - Analyst (Formerly on Mutineers) Who we'd worked together when winning Vanguard Challenger Champs to get the opportunity to prove we can work as a solid coaching staff in the league, and not all separate into assistant / analyst positions on other teams. As well as leaning into our 1 year of experience in the league already under established coaches.
We knew the situation compensation based and I won't speak on that. It's not 100% fact. But to the comments about how many hours we dedicate. Me and Cheek are based in London and work full time 9-5's and work 5:30-1am most days if not longer.
An immense amount of time is put in this season. And one thing we want to ensure is we will put in as much if not more time than any other coach on any other team.
hey man, i appreciate that you’re willing to put in the work to do what you love. i think that’s great but at the end of the day the fact that you have to work a separate 9-5 job while coaching for one of the biggest spending orgs the past few years is bizarre to me, cleaning house be damned. especially with buy-in fees being reimbursed, not being paid for your work is unacceptable to me.
wishing you guys the best of luck today. hope you find a good opportunity with an org that cares more about their employees in the future
Hey, thanks for correcting me on that then! I always assumed that with these pros hopping on their streams in the evening and starting their scrim blocks in the afternoon, that they were putting in 4-6 hours of work in a day. So coaches were putting in a little more than that but not the full 8 hours. So that's where I was coming from, but its good to generally know that your staff is not approaching it that way and is putting in more time.
I guess, how do you feel about compensation and proving yourself as a staff? Do you think the only path for those trying to break into the scene is working for free for a season or are there orgs willing to pay for new coaches to come in and try their luck? Is coaching Challengers the most common path of proving what you can do?
the youtube channel/side hustle argument doesn’t make sense to me. if LAG goes on to win this major, the org will take that prize money and these coaches likely still won’t get paid. with a youtube channel, if it blows up overnight you are the direct beneficiary of that. the money made from that success is given directly to you since you’re not under employment to any company
and again, if these coaches were only putting in a few hours a week, it explains why dogshit teams are dogshit. and since they’re dogshit, the coaches wouldn’t be offered new opportunities. coaches have to put in as much work as possible to keep up with the competition, which is why i classify it as a full time job that is beyond deserving of compensation
One of the LAG coaches responded to me and it seems like for them it isn't a side hustle. It doesn't sound like they get paid nothing but it doesn't sound great.
In my head, if I was being paid little, I would try to negotiate for a higher prize cut if they win earnings. That would be the best way to at least get something that directly ties to how good you can represent yourself around the league.
But yeah I agree, if they are putting in the time, they should be paid. I was always coming at it like they aren't putting in a full days work since these players hop on stream in the late afternoon after scrims and some of the vlogs say that the coaches show up like an hour earlier at like 10am.
Dreal competed until BO4 and moved into coaching. Never a particularly good player but he made it a few champs, but yeah you're right about this. If you're not known then you have to work for free and hope that people recognise the work you've put in to hire you on salaried contract.
Shoutout Estreal that guy is underrated asf
Ironic that this is the best performing LAG ever (outside of M2 VG ofc). This team probably is getting paid a quarter of what any other LAG team was paid. On some Moneyball shit right herw
Coaches working for free is a bad look for LAG if true ngl.
Pay your staff.
Agreed. This "work for free to get experience and a foot in the door" bullshit needs to stop. If someone works, they get paid. Simple as that.
It slavery at this point 😂
Arguably the cheapest org in the CDL and is performing better than big spenders like Minnesota and Boston , it’s not about how rich you are in the CDL but how smart your are. Same thing with LV and Seattle. Hopefully orgs learn from this and we can have a competitive season next year. Imagine Seattle having this squad from the start , Boston being competent , LAG with flames. You don’t need money to have a good team! 👆🏼
Boston's best year as well was when they got last pick of the talent. Its a consistent theme that teams that got for relative wildcard's do better than the teams that pick up the same known talents who consistently stat pad to get themselves jobs for the year after at the detriment to the team
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This team will probably show as an example and an end to all the old vets still trying to be on a team next year. Young cheap talent > expensive vets with "leadership"
No offense to them because they’re playing good this tournament but they played LAT/Vegas, LAT/Rokker, and now Ultra/LAT. the Ultra win is great but they’re farming LAT and two teams that missed champs to get those placing.
Okay but why weren't the other teams able to "farm"
Oh no don’t get me wrong LAG did what they had to and beat who was in front of them. I’m more looking at it like this shouldn’t be something to get complacent with in the offseason with LAN results and they should look to improve. It was more that there is more context than just looking at their placings. Kudos to them for sure but would love to see a team like this make a single move to try and displace the top 4 naturally rather than just blow it up and spend money.
They can have some flowers for the top 3 but top 6 in this format is mid.
They looked really good in the first scrims of the year it just looked like Assault was gonna hold them back
Why are people praising inconsistency?
How do you define consistent? They finished top 6, top 6, top 12 and now top 3 minimum.
Optic were 3rd, runners up, winners and then top 12. Ultra won an event, finished top 4 and lost a final. Faze lost a final, won an event and finished top 3. NYSL got top 12, 3rd and 4th.
They’re a very decent team, but they won’t be able to win any events without a superstar or an insane spike in performance from 1 of their players next year
I have no idea why you got downvoted for telling the truth. Pussy ass sub
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Bring back LAN league. Online is so fake