So what’s up with Manhwa being kind of doodoo?

From what I've understand certain webtoons are done by studios so some stories are pretty much the same as others. You kinda need to dig deep to find the really good ones. Think of it like kadokawa with isekai stuff. Though I found more interesting isekai stuff than most mahnwas.

Recommend reading sweet home and Bastard though.

Are we counting Korean webtoons as Manwha? In that case imma join the "only webton I..." gang and say that the only one i've stomached to read from start to finish was The Boxer

Read survival story of sword king it got interesting side characters world building developed power system and the mc with who tries to overcome his mental problems

Ember Knight is peak.

I feel from your list you're looking for the most generic fantasy action shit out there. Those list of characteristics are always found in that type of story, whether it's manhwa/manga/manhua.

Find out which webtoons have been adapted into television shows and go from there (not fucking solo leveling)

I believe this is due to webtoon's reliance on the Internet platform for comic production. Narou novels in Japan face exactly the same problem: Narou is the website that set the trend for Isekai novels in Japan. Because of the ranking system and the use of PV as an index, a large number of works are created with the exact same settings and developments.

It's the same reason why there's so much boring isekai anime/manga. Self-insert power fantasies sell well

The Boxer carries

Yup, there is a marked difference between older manwhas and recent ones

I know the chinese novel model encourages champer pumping for monetization, so i must assume the same thing is happening in manwha

Pump as many chapters as posdible to make money from ads, thats why the art relies so much on energy explossions that are faster to draw

There is also the fact that long strip images are inferior to traditional comic paneling, further flattening the narrative

Once the audience gets used to it, then any small variation looks original, and you have a small market that will eat anything, simply because they lack the criteria to understand how same-y it all is

Manga is still published in physical, so they need a measure of quality, or at least of not-very-trashy

This is the same thing in every genre, no matter where you look. Webnovel authors just want to make a quick buck, so they copy all of the popular tropes and make their own stories. Solo Leveling, blowing up in popularity, influenced every single author into trying to copy Solo Leveling.

Before Solo Leveling, manhwas tried to be unique. Game mechanics weren't invinted by SL but manhwas that used game mechanics tried to have a unique story like DICE. The OG manhwas were Tower of God, Nobless, and God of High School. Other manhwas sid try to copy their formula in order to try finding success but either failed or became nichely known.

Thrn Solo Leveling came along and blew up to global popularity to even higher reaches then the OGs. The studios that made manhwa saw how popular SL was, so they decided to try copying it's formula to hopefully make the next Solo Leveling. So far, it's working as the most popular manhwa are all heavily inspired by Solo Leveling with Solo Levelings art styles.

This same thing can be found in other shoujos, shounen, etc. Authors are trying to copy other authors. "Reincarnation into an otome villainess" blew up in popularity, and then all of the others started copying each other.

It's kinda true. It's hard for.me to recommend manhwa except works of Carnby.

Maybe, check Cartoon hero/4 Cut Hero. The manhwa has a bit specific humour, but for me it manages to balance between epic, tragic and silly. World-building(it's "backstory" especially) is one of my favourite in all media

The only manhwa that I finished and liked, was Monster by Carnby Kim

Sweet Home and Bastard are two webtoons I highly recommend, one the best horror thriller stories I've read in a while, and they are much better read without knowing what they are about.

I think the problem with manhwa is that they prefer to play it safe, and stick with whatever works instead of going outside of the comfort zone

You just not reading anything, there is plenty of quality Manhwa

• Academy undercover Professor
• Bastard
• Damn Reincarnation
• Doom Breaker
• Hero Killer
• Latna Saga
• Legend of Northern Blade
• Omniscient Reader
• Return of the mount Hua Sect
• SSS survival Hunter
• Star Embracing Swordmaster
• Superhuman Era
• Sweet home
• Terror Man
• The Boxer
• The greatest Estate developer
• The return of crazy Demon
• Weak Hero
• Windbreaker

You can kinda say the same thing about anime/manga/JP LNs by citing the isekai genre

You know that you should look beyond what's mainstream in any medium of media to find quality right?

You can't just refuse to look for the good stuff and complain about a broad medium like manhwa at the same time.

Go read Odd Girl Out. Best depiction of a high school life with realistic drama and social issues tackled in an absolutely mature fashion.

all protagonists being stoic badasses with no emotion

-female characters being written like props

-power systems and magic being essentially all the same or never expanded upon

-literally no diverse character interaction.

-protagonists never being able to lose a fight or conflict

-protagonists being borderline sociopathic

-lack of focus on internal struggle/conflict

-little to no introspection whatsoever

-copy and paste art

-copy and paste character designs

You can say that I'm a hater but this is Solo Leveling effect. Want less of these? Look up manhwa before solo levelling drop and you get some quality stuff. Not saying that there is no good Manhwa after that btw.

Anyway my recommendation would be Gosu, Wujang, omniscient reader viewpoint, the boxer, the breaker, noblesse, dice the cube that change everything(bit trashy compared to the rest on the list but it's in good/great territory before they reset everything), all of youngchan Hwang Manhwa, see you in my 19th life, Lookism, and so much good shit that is around for years. Go and do some digging and you will find a lot of gold.

I think you might want to try Kubera.The story is mindblowing with how many plot twist it has and how many details from the very first chapter is still relevant and the insane foreshadowing (the story has been recontexualize like 3 time lol).Pretty much every single of the main like 10 character go through amazing character development and some of them has great arcs with many of the side character also being very good and relevant. The series also focuses on the struggle and interaction between its character with interesting internal conflict. Its one of the most amazing story ive seen yet.

The story is honestly pretty sad though and imo it gets sadder with every chapter and doesn't look like the ending is going to be happy either,the action is quite lacking also and the first season and the first half of s2 (up until the climax) can also be quite boring so u have to expect to invest like 200 chap in before the plot really kicks.

your only reading popular things made for a certein subset of korean internet dwellers. its like judging american lituture by amazon porn novellas

There's a huge market for it. I joined the Manwha subreddit cause I'd read Kubera and ember knight back to back, with Kubera becoming my favorite story of all time and ember knight being a solid 8.5. Getting into the sub though, it's pretty clear the only things that do well are the same generic stories with some love being given to the trash that pretends it's different.

I think the number 1 issue with Manwha is pretty much the same as what you said, only the main character gets to do anything. I've dubbed it the "chad effect." All other male character have to be evil, old, or subservient to the lead, the lead must attract several women and if other characters are even allowed to have love interests then they must be attracted to the MC first, and the story has to take great pains to make sure the MC is never truly in a position of weakness.

It's also largely an issue with the more mainstream action Manwha, romance stories or school bully stories have their own quirks that are usually less annoying than the Chad effect.

Some Manwha that have bucked the trend:

• Leviathan
• Kubera
• Ember knight
• Gilgamesh
• The lazy prince becomes a genius(this one is here because while main character is a chosen one, the side characters actually have room to breathe)
• I became the tyrant of a defense game
• Latna: survival of a sword king(this one will take a second to really flaunt it's character work but gets really good. It's one of the most refreshing reads due to how similar it is to the popular Manwhas while getting rid of pretty much every bad thing about them)

I would reccomend Hellper, it's super cool with an interesting premise, a good ish female sidecharacter, and pretty cool art.

Damn, ToG being Not all well written is certainly a take, GoH ofc, the whole last arc was a mess, GoH plot was never that amazing, but ToG?

No fucking way, people citing the common ones and only one mention of

Most complex lore, have the best character arc (MARUNA MY BOY🔥), incredible world and is extremely plot consistent.

Shot out to the Ember Knights mention by a comment, good MC who is genuinely and actually weak but uses his brain.

ORV is good.

HCLW is ok.

Those kind of manhwa is really popular so it get copypasted everywhere, and that end up overshadowing other manhwas that are different and good 😔

Not all that well-written, in my opinion, but super fun series overall with original premises that grabbed my attention and kept me reading.

That's my experience as well. I enjoy ToG for the incredibly unique world and look. The characters are solid enough to keep me invested and there are plenty of interesting mysteries.

I will say, I haven't liked Season 3 as much as previous seasons. Too much focus on fights with flashy moves and less focus on creative tests with interesting strategies. There's still some of it, but not nearly as much as before. There were a lot more character moments in previous seasons too.

Regarding your complaints you see in the medium, boy do I feel that in Solo Leveling. The characters are just awful. I did not care about any of them as they feel more like checklists (need to have family characters for stakes, must have badass dad to aspire to, etc.) than people. The art is really the only thing it has going for it IMO and even then, it's not like it blew me away compared to some manga where I'll just look at the page for a while because of how detailed and incredible it is. The fact that this is heralded as peak of the medium by so many kind of turned me off of it as a whole.

To me it depends on what genre you are reading. Some are great and others are the same that use the same tropes.

Some that I love personally are more adult oriented ones like Killing Stalking and recently started reading The Beast Must Die which is great so far. It’s a revenge story and a yaoi so lots of triggering themes in it. It’s quite unique from other stuff I read.

Karina’s last days is pretty great but it’s definitely not a happy ending which you can base from title and the tragedy tag. This one is different since the cold Duke of the north is not abusive or anything negative like many other series.

Roxana (also known as The Way to Protect the Female Lead’s Older Brother) is fantastic and beautiful art but it’s on indefinite hiatus which many fans of the series understand if she doesn’t come back to finish the series because of how the abuse her producer put her under which caused a miscarriage and other issues sadly. Luckily the novel version is available.

the vast majority of actual manga and light novels are shit, manhwa is like, wattpad manga. that's why

It depends on what you read but unfortunately most of the more popular ones end up being a one man power fantasy in another isekai as the plot.

Some good ones. - Survival of a Sword King in another world - Legend of the Northen blade - Tower of God - Superhuman era

Again it just depends on what you read.

Calling the writing in Tower of God and God of Highschool not good at the same time is crazy

Solo leveling doesn’t have a single important side character

Ah I see you haven't read Kubera yet, you should get on that. 

south korea is a cyber capitalist dystopia. thats the main reason

My main issue Ive had with them is the art. There’s so rarely an artstyle to them, I’d believe if every one of them was made by the same studio. Character designs are mainly just ‘guy in trenchcoat’ or ‘girl in hoodie’ The vertical format of webcomics also is a big negative, all but removing the potential for interesting paneling.

Also 90% of the action series rely on video gamey mechanics which are just my least favorite thing

Northern Blade is really good though

There are a lot of good ones. You just gotta sift through the manufactured stuff.

Room of Swords, Hellper, Sweet Home, Bastard, God of High School has an amazing villain, but the story is very bloated. Hero Killer, Tower of God is a great story, but the action panelling is awful. School Bus Graveyard, Shotgun Boy, PiGPEN, Ordeal is pretty basic storywise, but the art and action scenes are amazing. Blacksmith

Generally, the western authors tend to have more variety than the Asian authors. A lot of web tools are "made by committee," so they are usually very safe and very similar.

First is my most subjective point but also the one that hurts me the most, which is a general lack of creativity and passion. It feels like almost all manhwa are carbon copies of themselves with little to no originality put into them

This is the thing that gets me about manhwa. You know how that Narou webnovel website craps out isekai and repetitive concepts on the daily because everything there is a copy of a copy? Imagine if that website was the entire manga industry, without the magazine system requiring it to actually sell. That's what I see the Webtoon market as.

Whenever I seek out Manhwa to read, all I find is shitty copy and paste cultivation/dungeon/isekai stories where the main character is deemed the weakest in chapter one and then the strongest in chapter two; the side characters then proceed to have a competition to see who can suck the main character's dick the hardest.

We can also add the villainess epidemic is in full swing there too along with harem pornhwas, but in regards to those dungeon stories, the problem is there is that Solo Levelling is the biggest manhwa ever so a lot of things just copy that 

Manhwa are similar to isekai in that a certain type dominates the mainstream. Solo Leveling's success has caused a big influx of cultivation-type manhwa.

I guess you have to dig a bit deeper to find the unique stuff. Maybe aim for ones that have a unique artstyle? Anything by Carnby Kim is pretty good. Lookism was pretty fun too, although too long for my taste.

Also I don't think manga is that comparable to webcomics. Maybe Japanese webcomics sites or novel sites have similar bad shit to Korean or western websites.

Manga goes through a cut throat process that webcomics don't. They have editors that have to read and approve of what comes out. Then the manga has to do well with an audience or they axe it.

People always copy formulas that work, that's why a lot of manhwa protags look and act like Sung Jin-Woo. Tower, Murim, Isekai and VR Game Worlds dominate as themes because they're popular, and when done well, are actually pretty good.

I read a lot, and I can give some recs on what I think do stand out in the genre, and that I think you might like. I don't think I'll avoid all tropes, but I will try to recommend ones that have as few as possible. Some may not appeal to you, but I did my best to choose ones that I like and that I think others would as well.

The Duchess's 50 Tea Recipes - a unique take on the isekai genre, as it's romance focused and meant more for the female gaze. A very cute story that does actually reach a conclusion.

Dungeon Odyssey - Recommending purely because I am in love with the art style. The story does stand out as well as it is a pretty interesting take on a dungeon format, where the MC is from the dungeon itself, makes his way out, but then ends up building up what is called a 'labyrinth' inside the dungeon and competing with other labyrinths. It is a power fantasy, but I think it's well done with fairly interesting side characters that do get flushed out a bit and aren't left too two-dimensional.

The Nebula's Civilization - A more recent addition with only 28 chapters, the MC is mostly a background character, as he is essentially a 'god' in this storyline, raising and evolving a civilization from nothing, which is what we watch most of the time. Imagine the game Civilization as a webtoon where you follow just one group and see how they evolve. Art is a bit lack-luster, but not the worst. Probably the closest in this list to what you say is 'copy paste'.

Legend of the Northern Blade - Another that I'm recommending purely on the art alone, though the story is one of my personal favorites for a murim storyline. A kid is left behind in a destroyed martial arts sect but is bent on revenge against the union that killed his father and caused the destruction of his sect (trying not to be too spoilery). I think the side characters here are really well fleshed out and make you care for them, as quite a few do serve as integral to the story line. MC does get a bit overpowered, but not enough where he just overwhelms his foes, he does still struggle.

Peerless Dad - My last recommendation, and another with a more unique art style. Another murim storyline, we follow a man whose wife dies in triplet childbirth as he does what he can to provide for them, and get stronger as he does so.

While I agree with this post for the most part, Korean MC’s being complete sociopaths isn’t really accurate. If you want truly sociopathic MC’s look up Manhua novels and read from there

Start reading manwha with female protagonists, aimed at female audiences. I won't claim they'll solve all of your problems, but certainly some of your complaints tend to just...not apply.

Bro did not read:

Bastard

The boxer

Sweet home

Shotgun boy

Hardcore leveling warrior ( one of the most unique “isekai??” )

The horizon

Mosquito wars

Lookism (the first 100 to 200 are actually pretty good and jiho had one of the most insane and cathartic character developments in all of media, I’ve never seen anything like it )

Jungle juice ( Mha but insects )

Honestly dude, you just gotta look through the rubble, you saying that most of manhwa is just garbage is actually pretty silly even if you are just being hyperbolic.

Its media dude, 90 percent of it is always trash. When did manga, anime or even books and movies ever consist of having only good material. You’re being silly lil bro.

Also read it from top the bottom. My list can be considered a ranking of sorts.

Read God of Highschool

Read Reincarnator, Triple S Suicide Hunter, Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint..

Almost none of these criticisms apply to Tower of God at all, thoug.

-all protagonists being stoic badasses with no emotion

Baam is an emotionally insecure, clingy weakling with attachment issues. Even after he gets his powers, it's explicit canon that Baam has this weird cognitive dissonance going on in his brain where he somehow has both a God complex and Inferiority complex at the same time -- he's stuck between thinking of himself as the best and strongest person in the world, and thinking he's the worst and most helpless. A far cry from a "stoic badass with no emotion".

-female characters being written like props

Ironic. There's more female stoic badasses in Tower of God than there are male stoic badasses.

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-power systems and magic being essentially all the same or never expanded upon

Tower of God's power system is comically in-depth. They spend, like, an insane amount of time in the first season setting it all up, and then it gets expanded even further halfway through season 2. You do get a point, it's essentially Hunter x Hunter Nen in the sense that it's glorified Ki with everyone getting One (1) unique attribute, but that's more of a broader anime issue than manwha.

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-literally no diverse character interaction.

Tower of God has a One Piece-style cast that's constantly rotating in and out, so while individual characters are rarely around for a long time, it's hard to say that their interactions are similar and same-y. Xia-Xia worships Baam like a God, since he is, ultimately, a candidate for Godhood, and is willing to go to fanatic lengths to protect him, whereas Khun regards Baam as a tragically lost friend -- a (formerly) useless friend, but a friend nonetheless.

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-protagonists never being able to lose a fight or conflict

Baam gets his ass beat on the daily. He's not even canonically anywhere near the strongest member of the main cast, and he often needs other people to help him or bail him out. Sometimes he just straight-up loses and is put into a multi-dozen-long crisis.

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-protagonists being borderline sociopathic

This is mutually exclusive with your earlier criticism that the protagonist's were emotionless badasses, but obviously this doesn't apply to Baam.

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-lack of focus on internal struggle/conflict

Addressed this above with Baam being a stoic badass.

-little to no introspection whatsoever

Address this above with Baam being a stoic badass.

-copy and paste art

-copy and paste character designs

Tower of God is literally flushed with weird-ass character designs, what do you mean!?

Like this , all three of these , and this fucking thing.

Even if you do find a lot of characters between series with similar designs, though, I'd again say this is more of a broader anime issue than exclusively manwha.

Im like 500 episodes in of lookism and im so tired of this fucking gang shit and nonstop fighting. I want to go back to high school and shit.

My guy doesn’t know about that omniscient readers viewpoint

Manwa is legit stereotypes about anime made real

It looks so soulless and so like each other because they're literally just pushing out as much of the garbage as possible. So many are drawn by the same studios, they all end up blurring together

There are good manwa, obviously. But honestly compare the creation process to japanese manga. Even stuff that's considered really bad, is typically almost the sole creation of a singular author with assistance helps

As ai becomes mainstream I predict even more ai manwa slop at a higher rate

The art always sucks

Should’ve given more specific examples

stuff fron like 2010 - 2017 were golden of manhwa

Maybe it happens in the manhwa from your genre. But I've found quite a few good manhwa. I mostly like Historical setting. I also love the more raw art panels in some novels which is a good break from more aribrushed artstyle for me. 

We don't yet have the language to describe a person like this, the Korean media version of someone who only reads cookie cutter Shonen and comes up with a harsh judgement of all manga based on that

Superhuman Era is a new one with amazing side characters and women. I definitely recommend it.

Have you tried reading something other than Shounen style battle fantasy? There are a lot of truly amazing Manhwa out there, one of the big reasons why I've personally gotten into Manhwa over Manga in recent years is the fact they actually support authors who do drama and horror, but if you just keep looking at the lowest common denominator action comics aimed at the 15 year old demographic of course that's what you're going to find

Barbarian Quest saved my marriage

There are good weebtoons, just takes a lot of digging, the ones i stuck with are: Watermelon, Moon yoo, Mage Again.

There are some hidden gems, even if they kind of conform to this list of complaints. Like strongest dad.

subtle disaster, gilgamesh, the ember knight, monster child, bastard, sweet home, shades and shadows, a mark against thee, delusion, leviathan, annarasumanara, hellbound, unholy blood, death's game

This is probably where I can appreciate ORV for the angst

Also, gotta mention massive numbers. This guy just killed a trillion billion quadrillion enemies in one move! Be impressed! That number is meaningful to the human psyche and can be visualized!

I'm realizing that Villain to Kill might not be as bad as I give it credit for, given its competition.

If you're looking for a good one I'd recommend Hero Killer. It's technically a cultivation story, but the way the main character gets stronger is through killing other superhumans to take their powers. The MC is a badass woman, but the comic doesn't make her OP from the jump. The MC has to work to get to where she is, and the comic makes it clear she's still got a long way to go to reach the top.

Also its got a truly incredible cast of side characters who have great interactions with each other.

If you like fighting/combat stuff, Lookism and Viral Hit/Learn To Fight are really good.

If you have not heard of it yet, then read weak hero best I can say is that it is a better tg like way better

It is Solo Leveling effect that made this happen, thats why webtoons are better because anyone can write one and the premise is way better

I think the main thing for me is the art style they all look boring and generic as fuck

There are decent webtoons like the long midwinter.

Cityof dead sorcerer, sweet home, basically that authors have group and all decent thriller.

There are fun comedies,there are pretzy good, or not continued so far.

Ok and kubera,the last god,is reallygood , but not action, through it has it

The breaker? Hardcore leveling warrior that has decent characters and the female character isnt that deep,but not a props. And it gets pretty good.

Ok there are but you kinda have to go through findibg the good stuff.

I liked flow.

Veritas is pretty good.

I am the grim peaper is nice as well.

Read Barbarian Quest and weep at how most everything else is garbage in comparison.

May I recommend skeleton soldier

lol man i have literally never once heard of a good manwha, whats up with this? its like even outside of this subreddit every time i run into one it looks like it was made on the cheap and as quick as possible.

are manwha the graphic novel equivalent of those incredibly mass produced romance novels you find at every place that cribs the hallmark style in america?

personally i've enjoyed it but that might be because I only read stuff according to my extremely specific tastes

Here's a bunch- Gremoryland,Melvins therapy,The horizon,love advice from the great Duke of hell,hellbound,maybe meant to be

Try Veritas. It's a really good Manhwa in my opinion. Nice tight story. Decent characters. Fun read.

many are really terrible, but there are some really good ones, "The Horizon" is my favorite, it's about two children trying to survive a war, I also like Shin Agyo Onishi, they are the best

Lookism is good.

why is no one mentioning viral hit? its a must read

Good (or atleast unique) manwha:

• Bastard
• Sweet Home and Shotgun Boy
• Pig Pen
• Fight Class 3
• Epic of Gilgamesh and especially its sequel Ember Knight
• Hellper and its sequel Killberos to a lesser extent

Then theres other, decent series like:

• WindBreaker
• The Crow
• Octagon Revenge
• Killing Stalking
• Barbarian Quest

Every manhwa i've read is always the same, some power fantasy, the writing is very doo doo indeed

Because they live-off their art-style not actual writing.

Most manhwas are like that or similar stories to that is cuz it's tried, tested and proved to work and so most manhwas don't wanna take a risk and diversify their stories

There are a lot of manga that are doodoo too

The Heavenly Demon Can't Live A Normal Life.

The main protagonist is your usual reincarnated character who in their previous life was the supreme fighter in their world. He lived in the world of Korean martial arts and has now been reborn in a medieval setting in the body of a noble son who was considered to be a failure and embarrasment.

It is my guilty pleasure. And to give the Manhwa some credit, it does give or at least tries to give development to some of the side characters. Over the course of the story, the main protagonist recruits and trains people who become his knights because he sees potential in them. A character who initially started out having no respect for the main protagonist starts developing loyalty toward him, become less stuck up and more dutiful driven and becomes his strongest knight.

Make no mistake, it is still a power fantasy story. But I find it fun as the main protagonist keeps growing more in power as his people starts becoming loyal to him and him developing plans to form his own power in the continent. And the main protagonist treats those who serve him loyaly with kindness, resources and knowledge that will make them stronger.

There is also a suddenly change in art style somewhere in the 20 chapters, before it starts merging and solidifying with the old style.

Completed : Red storm, Yongbi the invincible, Mujang, Leviathan

Ongoing: The Northern blade, Murim login, Peerless dad, Memoir of the King of war, Omniscient readers viewpoint, Lightning degree, Martial artist lee gwak, Sword sheaths child, The greatest estate developer, Dungeon Odyssey

Theres plenty more ofcourse but these had me hooked for many good reasons. It didn't follow the usual dungeon,isekai 0 to OP trope and has some character development.

I think you just spent too much time reading junk that your perspective is skewed.

Viral hit and my life as a loser!

Read Priest. It has a gorgeous artstyle which can only be decribed as "what if Mike Mignola and Sean Murphy had a Korean son", badass action, tragic characters, and a cool wild west setting mixed with creepy mystic shit. I also strongly recommend Hellper if "Korean DBZ in a fucked-up afterlife" sounds like your cup of tea.

The Boxer runs with these tropes and subverts them by making it about the interiority of the MC's opponents. It was so good that I cried at a certain part. The same author did The Horizon, which is fairly bleak at times but still good.

Lazy Lord Masters the Sword (Return of the Deadbeat Noble) is also quite good. Generic fantasy setting, but has a lovely way of being about the protagonist overcoming depression, finding ambition in his life, and dealing with both how to become stronger and the complexity and responsibility that comes with that strength

The audience for it has shit taste so there's no need for creators to work hard on the writing, people will consume anything regardless of how derivative or shallow it is

I think what manga is better at manhwa is that mangas still have editors to give you advice and tell you which ideas suck and this also probably filters out a lot of the really crappy ones. Not saying there’s no sucky mangas but not in the same way and number as manhuas and manhwas.

The Dark Lord’s Confession is great and addresses most of your complaints

Most of it is utter trash, but it has a lot more stuff that updates consistently compared to manga. Most manga are literally never completed, especially the actually interesting oens

Yeah the issue is very prevalent in manhwa. They basically try to make their own Solo Levelling. Not many manage to actually make something new. What I will say, imo, managed to do great with its premise is "Hardcore levelling warrior" which is one of the ogs when it comes to manhwa and evades most cliches seen today (MC is overpowered for like half a chapter only to be forced to lvl 1 and be hated by everyone, side characters are unique and have the story spread across both the mc and his friends equally, while there's a game-system it is explained well and the abilities are fun and the story in general is very well made). Then there's one I read recently called "Player". It's somewhat similar to the aforementioned manhwa but it struggles with cliches and some pacing issues. The rest I've seen can't hit the nail on the head and make something that isn't just " Totally not solo levelling ".

When it comes to other genres though, I'd say Superhuman era, The Boxer, Sweet Home, Bastard, Gosu, Leaviathan, Hero Killer, Mage Again (idk if it's a manhwa at this point), Housekeeper and others would probably be worth your time since generally they avoid the issues you mentioned.

Unordinary even though not a manwha is probably one of the best story's I've had the pleasure of reading by far. The world building is top tier. The MCs arcs are probably the best I've read. Side characters aren't regulated to being dick sucking side pieces. Good fights.

Pretty much the opposite of all your points.