Off Leash Engagement

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Training a dog to be reliably off-leash in a variety of environments is no small feat. It requires an immense amount of time, dedication, and consistency.

By consistently training amidst multiple distractions, we’ve created a level of engagement and understanding that allows Broly to navigate these challenges confidently and reliably. Whether it's other dogs, people, or unexpected events, his focus remains steadfast due to our strong foundation of training.

The goal isn’t just obedience but fostering a relationship where the dog trusts and looks to you, even in the face of misdirections and distractions.

*and yes, we encountered multiple distractions during this session.

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And through all this the dog never once won the toy.

The one time he came in strong, got a full deep grip, you negatively punished him by outing him. You should have paid him, let him run around with it, and enjoy it before doing more. Teach him to bring the object back to you for more so that you can play, pay him with the win, and still keep going in the play without so much negative punishment.

I get what you're trying to do but you're essentially teaching him that even his best efforts won't get him a win with the toy and possession of the prey item.

Dense_Statement_2329

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Yeah how do i get my Mal to bring the toy back though? Homie loves playing fetch and tug of war but he is very greedy and won't give it back

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Put a leash on the dog when you play. Give the win and let him have it. Do some prey circles with him so he gets the chance to show off his prize. Then guide him back to you and bring the toy alive again.

Over time he will figure out that you being involved in the game is more fun than him playing alone. Eventually the dog will fly back to you after the win and a few circles.

Dense_Statement_2329

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Nice thank you.

OP

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@Dense_Statement_2329, I see you’re looking to get your Mal to bring back the toy like Broly does in my videos. Here are some effective ways to achieve that:

Fact-Checking Fortzen1305’s Advice

Fortzen1305 suggests: 1. Using a Leash and Prey Circles: While a leash can help with control, the idea of prey circles to let your dog show off its prize can promote possessive behavior rather than encouraging retrieval. 2. Handler Involvement: Dogs don’t naturally find handler involvement more fun without proper training and reinforcement.

Effective Techniques to Teach Your Mal to Bring Back the Toy

Teach "Fetch" and "Drop":
- Start Small: Begin with short distances. Throw the toy a short distance and encourage your dog to bring it back.
- Use High-Value Rewards: Use treats or favorite toys as rewards when your dog brings the toy back.
- Command Consistency: Use consistent commands like "fetch" and "drop." Reward immediately when your dog drops the toy on command.
Structured Play:
- Controlled Sessions: Keep play sessions structured. Engage with your dog but maintain control. Use a long lead if necessary to prevent your dog from running off with the toy.
- Interactive Play: Play games that involve you directly, such as tug-of-war, but ensure your dog knows to release the toy on command.
Positive Reinforcement:
- Reward Desired Behavior: Whenever your dog brings the toy back and drops it, reward with treats, praise, or another round of fetch.
- Gradual Increase: Gradually increase the distance you throw the toy as your dog gets better at bringing it back.
Two-Toy Technique:
- Use Two Identical Toys: Throw one toy and when your dog brings it back, show the second toy to entice them to drop the first one.
- Swap and Reward: Once your dog drops the first toy, throw the second toy as a reward. This reinforces the idea that bringing the toy back leads to more play.
Leash Training:
- Long Lead: Use a long lead to guide your dog back to you if it doesn't return on its own.
- Gentle Guidance: Gently guide your dog back while calling them and using the "fetch" command. Reward when they reach you and drop the toy.

Key Points to Remember

Patience and Consistency: Training takes time. Be patient and consistent with your commands and rewards.
Make It Fun: Ensure the training sessions are fun for your dog. This will make them more eager to participate and learn.
Gradual Progress: Start with short distances and easy commands, then gradually increase the complexity as your dog improves.

Training your Mal to bring back the toy involves patience, consistency, and positive reinforcement. By using these techniques, you’ll be able to build a strong, reliable retrieval behavior like Broly’s.

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Personally I disagree, I think the dog is being rewarded and gets to play with it, but there is always more than one way.

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Behaviors should be taught through play but the dog also needs to win for it to be fun. This is a young dog and any decent Mal will keep trying. But teaching a dog how to win the game is important. I don't think OP is remotely interested in the quality of gripping, intensity of entries, etc so maybe he doesn't care about crushing the dog so much or constantly taking away what the dog is working for.

But with my dog I'm always, even in play, looking to reward the behavior that I want (pushing vs pulling, full grip, coming in full, countering) so that those things are hard wired in when drives come up even more and then dog knows what will win the game.

If you look in one of the OPs other comments, he says the dog immediately drops the toy after it wins. That's not super normal for a highly prey driven Mal. The dog should be possessing it and wanting to hang onto it. That's likely from too much outing the dog and punishing the possession.

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I did notice the shallow grips and agree with you that he needs to address that bite depth, but for me if the dog gets the toy you play for a little while with the dog, to me that is considered winning. I usually don’t let them take the toy, and for most our dogs they prefer it that way, when they take the toy it dies there is no longer any fun involved with it. You’ll drop the toy and a lot of times they will bring it back to you because they want to “play” which is why I reward with a toy that has a handle/rope attached to it, for that interaction; if you pay/reward with a ball he gets it and the game is over. That’s my line of thinking and have had success with it.

I don’t have volume on, so I assumed he was giving a command when the dog drops the toy, if the dog drops it on his own he might be getting bored with it or not have as high of a drive like you said which isn’t exactly what you want. But I agree with you he probably has taken The toy back super quick not allowing any kind of play or engagement so the dog figures to just let go cuz he knows what’s coming. (Why some people don’t even teach their dogs to come off person bites using commands so the dog isn’t giving less than 100% expecting to be told to let go)

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He doesn't post anything besides music with his videos because he makes these for tik tok so you never really fully know what's happening.

You're right that part of the fun is the play with the handler. That's keeping the prey alive and the dog active. But actually winning the prey is when the hands come off and the dog gets to dominate what it's worked for.

Think of it like this. When a dog is chasing a squirrel or a rabbit, it works so hard chasing it and acquiring it. When the rabbit starts to slow down after it's been caught, what does the dog do?

It doesn't just walk away. It dominates it's over the top. It prances around with it to show it off. It takes it away and eats it.

If you want to see this, put a slip lead on your dog and a small leather rag on a flirt pole. Put the flirt pole in front of you, restrain your dog some while running forward and then sling shot the dog into the bite on the leather rag. Then add tension on the flirt pole for a second and let the lure go dead. Your dog will lay on top of it and grab it with its paws and if you give a jerk or two here and there the dog will possess it more even if the prey is dead.

Same idea with using a tug, wedge, sleeve, pillow, anything the dog sees as prey. Dog gets on the bite, keep it alive and then the dog should possess it and not let it go or else the prey might go away. By letting the object go, that signifies to the dog that it's work and being active paid off and now it gets to own the prey item and dominate it.

The problem most people run into with mals is not that they drop the toy its that they take the toy away to their lair to possess it. Teaching the dog it's not a competition for the object is important.

But to signal to the dog that it's done the right thing, you can signal that by giving up the toy as a reward marker and with the dog leashed, let it show off it's kill and then have him bring it back to you. You can even put a leash on the toy or tug and give it a slight jerk to try to get the toy so the dog learns that prey goes away if it doesn't hang onto it.

Whereas only playing with the dog doesn't really teach the dog what it is you're looking for in the context of the game. I hope all that makes sense.

That's just how I think about it all anyway. There's a thousand roads to Rome though.

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I’ll definitely try that, I should correct myself I do let the dog take the toy sometimes but a lot I’m playing with him. But yea that is a good way to look at it and explain it.

OP

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visick4241, I appreciate your willingness to learn and improve your dog's training. However, I would strongly recommend you check my detailed response above before taking random advice from people on Reddit, especially those who might lack a thorough understanding of canine behavior.

For example, the suggestion to encourage your dog to prance around with a toy to show off its prize can actually lead to possessive and problematic behaviors. Professional trainers focus on structured play and controlled possession to ensure dogs understand commands and respect the handler.

Following advice from someone without proven expertise can lead to ineffective or even harmful training methods. It's essential to seek quality information and understand that there are various ways to train a dog effectively. Not all advice you come across will be beneficial or suitable for your specific situation.

Feel free to read through my detailed explanation to understand why some of the suggestions you received aren't ideal. This will help you make more informed decisions in your dog's training journey.

slightlydeafsandal

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This 👆🏻

This is the way. In any bitesports the judge wants to see calm deep grips, without those it’s really hard to get decent points.

OP

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Your comments show a fundamental misunderstanding of dog training and behavior. Let’s clarify a few things:

TikTok Videos: These videos are highlights, not full training sessions. They capture the results of extensive, disciplined training, not random play. These short clips are meant to showcase specific skills and the bond between Broly and me, not to provide a comprehensive view of our training regimen.
Play and Domination: Training isn't about letting a dog prance around with a toy like it's dominating prey. It's about structured play and controlled possession. True professionals teach dogs to release on command, reinforcing trust and obedience. The concept of a dog dominating its catch is not applicable here; rather, it's about building a cooperative and respectful relationship between the handler and the dog.
Flirt Pole Technique: Sling-shotting a dog into a bite can be reckless and dangerous. Proper bite work involves a controlled, step-by-step training process to ensure the dog understands commands and maintains focus. This method prevents injury and confusion, ensuring that the dog learns in a safe and effective manner.
Possession and Reward: Dogs learn that releasing a toy on command is part of the reward system. It's about cooperation, not competition. Your method of letting the dog prance around undermines this principle. By teaching the dog that releasing the toy doesn't mean losing it but rather part of a structured game, you reinforce positive behavior and control.
Handling Malinois: The real issue isn't dogs taking toys to their lair; it's channeling their high drive and energy into productive activities. Professional training emphasizes cooperation and structured play, not just possession. Malinois are high-energy dogs that need clear, consistent training to harness their drive effectively.

In summary, your approach lacks a deep understanding of professional dog training techniques. If you want to train effectively, study real methods and consult experienced trainers. Not all roads to Rome lead to proper training outcomes.

Lets take these redditors to school since they think they know so much. You have no idea lol.

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🤦🏽‍♂️ just keep scrolling. Short sided comments for days . .

He does win often, and he doesn't run with it. Instead, he either drops it or brings it to me for another bite. It's important to understand that every dog is different, so training must be tailored to their personality, temperament, genetics, and individuality.

(It's pointless to reply to Reddit. The assumptions and incorrect remarks here are so great 👍 )

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I think the thing is, you treat this platform like it’s Instagram or Tik tok, spamming the sub several times a day with your musical videos and dog dancing and want no actual training feedback. We all see your mistakes but you aren’t open to help, you just want adoration and karma farming.

I’m glad you play with your dog, that’s awesome! But this kind of instawhoring of these dogs is part of what’s driving the BYB market.

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Honestly this could be a post in itself. Definitely couldn’t have said it better.

OP

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alvvavves, what couldn’t you have said better? The fact that you’re misjudging videos with a limited perspective and pretending to know what you’re talking about? You don’t know what you’re seeing.

Sharing my journey with Broly online is about showcasing the grace of a Malinois and the profound bond we share. People appreciate seeing this connection and the beauty of such a magnificent breed. This isn’t spamming; it’s sharing moments of joy and connection.

So, if you think you couldn’t have said it better, think again. There’s always room for improvement—especially in understanding and empathy.

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The term “couldn’t have said it better” is a colloquialism for “I agree entirely with what you’re saying” so you can just read the above comment to see what I mean by “what I couldn’t have explained better.”

You’re not doing yourself any favors except getting likes and upvotes because that’s what you’re into.

OP

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alvvavves, it’s ironic that you’re the one shitting on videos that celebrate the bond between a human and their dog, sharing joyful moments. You’re the quintessential internet troll. Perhaps you’ve never experienced this kind of connection with your own dog. Who knows? Congratulations. Next.

TheyNotLikeUs

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On Reddit you don’t have to type the persons handle to reply to them like you do on instagram. When you reply to their comment they’ll see it.

Edit: I’m also really grateful to not be like you so thank you

OP

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alvvavves, it's cute how you think your critiques hold any weight. While you’re busy playing keyboard warrior, Broly and I are out here living our best lives, mastering exceptional training, and enjoying the freedom you can only dream of. Keep watching from the sidelines, keep learning, and keep admiring. Your lack of substance and context is truly entertaining. Thanks for the laughs. Easy work.

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😘 thank you for calling me cute

OP

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It's interesting you mention "mistakes," but what exactly are you referring to? Broly is executing commands perfectly, engaging correctly, and ignoring distractions. We're having the time of our lives, so there are no mistakes here.

How can you call something a mistake if you don't even know what the objective is? If you don't understand the commands or the context? Labeling something a mistake without understanding reflects your ignorance and possibly your own lack of confidence in training your dog.Watching a video of an off-leash dog flawlessly following commands and then calling it a mistake is absurd. Broly and I are doing exactly what we're supposed to do.

Broly does make mistakes, and so do I. Those are corrected privately and aren't shown here. Mistakes are natural and expected; they're corrected, which is why today we can be off-lead. If my training were flawed, Broly wouldn’t stay engaged and would run off off-lead like 99% of the dogs here, probably including yours.

He's so well-trained that people can't even fathom a dog off-lead and mistakenly call it an error. That's how impressive our bond is; it blows the minds of those who can't comprehend it.

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You're acting like your special dog doesn't operate within the 4 quadrants or operant conditioning. Sorry my dude, but everything you do is somehow within those quadrants whether you like it or not. You can't reply with an understanding of what you're doing so you act like others just don't understand you or your dog. Sorry my guy, but you're still negatively punishing your dog when he gives you the best efforts and a nice good deep grip when you take away what he's working for.

Edit: and in the long run a dog that has tons of negative punishment will eventually lose engagement, slow down, or stay super close to the object without giving much effort hoping the prey item will just jump into its mouth.

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LOL, the sanctimony on this board is beyond comprehension. I personally enjoy andrew's vids. I've seen, what seems like, hundreds of them, both here and on IG. Broly losing engagement....a very idiotic comment. That dog is highly engaged.

II've seen tons of broly's vids where he gets the pay. They don't have to get paid every time once engagement is built to the level he has. My dutchie is no where as advanced as Broly, but...shes at a place I don't have to always pay her. She knows the pay is coming if she keeps working. Pay comes more frequently at the beginning of learning a command.

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Found OPs alt acct.

Do you think this is advanced training?

I'm not the person you were replying to but yes, any dog who lives in the negative punishment quadrant will lose engagement and/ or vigor for the movements or command. Broly is no different. I think broly could go faster and be more precise if the OP actually wanted to develop him. He wants to dance with his dog for internet likes, not develop the dog into what it has potential to become.

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fortzen1305, it’s clear you don’t grasp the context of the video or the principles of effective training. Let’s break this down:

Video Context: The video showcases off-leash engagement, not sport, protection, or bite work. The focus is on Broly's ability to maintain engagement and respond to commands without physical restraints, which is a testament to advanced training and control.
Engagement and Punishment: Your assumption that Broly operates under negative punishment is misguided. Effective training involves a balance of positive reinforcement and appropriate corrections, tailored to the dog's needs and behavior. Broly’s high level of engagement is a result of consistent, positive training techniques, not punitive measures.
Training Objectives: My training goals are centered on building a strong bond and reliable behavior with Broly. If you’re critiquing based on a different set of objectives (like sport or protection work), you’re missing the point. Engagement training focuses on obedience, focus, and responsiveness, which are clearly demonstrated in the video.
Public Proof: I consistently post videos of Broly’s engagement for public viewing. These videos provide transparent proof of his training and our bond. Unlike giving unsolicited advice from a misguided perspective, I provide tangible evidence of effective training techniques.
Unsolicited Advice: Offering advice without understanding the context or objectives is not only unhelpful but also misguided. Before critiquing others, consider what you have actually demonstrated or contributed. Broly’s training is tailored to achieve specific goals, and the results speak for themselves.

In summary, understanding the context and objectives of training is crucial. Off-leash engagement is about maintaining control and focus, which Broly excels at. If you have nothing to show for your claims, reconsider offering unsolicited advice based on flawed assumptions.

This is too easy. Next.

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Thanks for the dissertation.

Any decent Mal will stay engaged for a toy that it's driven for. Nothing special here.
Sorry, but repeatedly outing the dog off the toy is negative punishment. You can try to say your dog doesn't operate in the quadrants but by definition, taking away reward when he's got it is negative punishment.
That's a low bar especially since you're using prey objects. Again any decent Mal will stay engaged when it's reward is 6 inches from its face. I'm someone that lures a dog for a long time too.
If you don't want advice or people to critique your training then don't post on a public forum where people do real work with their dogs. You're allowed to post and others are allowed to comment even if you don't like their opinions. If you don't like that then don't post.

I understand your training much more than you think I do. But it's not high level, precise, or special to anyone but you. It doesn't appear that you're developing the dog into anything beyond this. If you were I'd expect to see much better handling skills with the pillow and wedges and a less munchy grip from the dog.

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Analysis of Training Technique:

When analyzing if a training technique involves negative punishment, we need to consider the definition:

Negative Punishment: Removing a desirable stimulus to decrease a behavior.

In my case:

Reward for Engagement: Broly's engagement and command performance are rewarded by allowing him to bite the pillow. This is a form of positive reinforcement because I'm adding a desirable stimulus (the pillow) to increase the behavior (following commands and staying engaged).

Release Command: When I use "deixa" to make Broly release the pillow, I'm not necessarily removing the pillow to decrease a behavior. Instead, I'm teaching him control and obedience, and this action is part of the structured training process.

In this context, the release command is a transition between rewarding phases rather than a punishment. I’m not taking the pillow away to decrease engagement; I’m using it to teach him to obey the release command, which is an essential part of his training.

Conclusion:

Using the command "deixa" to have Broly release the pillow is not negative punishment. It's a part of a balanced training approach that includes both rewarding good behavior and teaching control through structured commands.

While you may have some understanding of training principles, it’s clear you don’t grasp the depth and complexity of my methods. Broly’s training is sophisticated, incorporating advanced techniques that go beyond basic obedience and simple engagement. Your misinterpretation of the training methods and the incorrect labeling of negative punishment highlight a lack of nuanced understanding of advanced dog training principles.

Bonus Answers:

1. Engagement for a Toy: While any decent Malinois may stay engaged for a toy, Broly's training goes beyond basic engagement. He demonstrates advanced off-leash control, focus, and the ability to ignore distractions in a public setting, which is far from ordinary.

3. Prey Objects: Using prey objects is a common and effective method in dog training. The goal is to build drive and motivation while teaching the dog to respond to commands even when highly stimulated. Broly’s ability to stay engaged and respond correctly to commands, even with prey objects, shows the effectiveness of his training.

4. Public Critique: Posting on a public forum invites opinions, but it doesn’t mean all critiques are valid or informed. Constructive feedback is welcome, but it should be based on knowledge and understanding of the training goals and methods. My training aims to build a well-rounded, obedient dog that can perform reliably off-leash. The focus is on creating a strong leadership bond and connection, allowing Broly to enjoy as much freedom as possible in real-life situations. This isn't about sport or hobby for show; it’s about ensuring he can navigate the world freely and safely while maintaining a deep trust and understanding with me.

TheyNotLikeUs

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OP

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It's July 4th and I'm cooking em' 🍳

Welcome to the barbecue young pup 🐶

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But do you notice how you dog doesn't come in full or have good grip? Why? Because you're reducing the behavior by taking the toy away. If you would let him grip up, punch in and counter, and let him win you could reinforce a way better grip. Youve added too much pressure and punished him by taking the toy away so he's not coming in full or strong and you've created that.

Continue thread...

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“Broly losing engagement....a very idiotic comment. That dog is highly engaged.”

Until he isn’t. It only takes one competing reinforcer to change that. If you’re willing to take that risk go ahead but don’t pretend that it isn’t a boneheaded move that puts others at risk. Yeah, his dogs trained very well. I’ve seen some of the best sport and working dogs in the world fail to obey a command. His dog isn’t at their level, yet, so it’s a matter of time before something happens.

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My guy you have a well trained dog. Problem is you accept no feedback or criticism. Training a dog off lead in a neighborhood is dangerous to your dog and others. Your dog might recall but what about the dog that’s going after him. Having your dog on lead allows a lot more control. If you don’t want to do it on lead to rent out a private location. Stop putting yourself, your dog, and others at an unneeded risk because your pride gets the best of you.

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Let's set the record straight: you have no context, no insight, and clearly don't understand the situation. Offering unsolicited feedback based on incorrect assumptions is neither helpful nor appreciated.

My videos speak for themselves. Broly is exceptionally trained, and we've put in hundreds of supervised hours to ensure his reliability and safety.

Our off-leash work is a testament to his training and my expertise.I regularly seek and value feedback from seasoned professionals who are well-versed in advanced training techniques. I have professional relationships with experienced trainers, and I myself am highly knowledgeable in this field.

The problem lies with self-proclaimed experts who, unlike true professionals, make baseless assumptions and offer unsolicited advice without any context or understanding. Real experts wouldn't pass judgment without inquiry. It's unprofessional, short-sighted, and frankly idiotic to dispense advice without grasping the full situation. This kind of behavior is what truly reflects ignorance and stupidity.

Broly is phenomenal. The work speaks for itself. Enjoy the videos.

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As someone who actually trains and works with world class working dogs and sport dogs I can certainly say this… no behavior is guaranteed 100% of the time. If you think it is, you’re a fucking fool. Said it once and I’ll say it again there’s no doubt he’s exceptionally trained. However no dog is bomb/mistake proof. People just suggested you do it in a more controlled environment but instead you want to keep doubling down on being this expert that can guarantee that his dog won’t fuck up. So for that you’re a fucking idiot.

NearbyTomorrow9605

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Found u/workingdogaddict11 replacement in this sub. His way or the highway and everyone else is wrong. One day this will go south and your dog will do something you can’t control. An attorney will have a field day if they ever saw all these post with you training your dog off leash and you telling everyone else they don’t know what they are talking about when you’re told it’s not a smart move. Not to mention, depending on where you are at, blatant disregard for leash laws. Your dog, your money, your time. Don’t say you weren’t informed.

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/u/workingdogaddict1 if he hasn't blocked me. I'm interested in his take on this post. Lol. /u/liftedCT

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I’m sure you won’t have to wait long to hear it and how this dog isn’t reaching his potential and doesn’t have a full life

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I won't go that far but he and I did both roast the OP a while back pretty hard form posting his version of "bitework" where he was ripping a sleeve out of the dogs mouth really really hard and defending himself as if it wasn't a risk for the dog losing a tooth.

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I was just being sarcastic cuz he’s said that before

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Oh I figured. He must be busy lifting his Lexus crossover vehicle or else I bet he'd be on here dropping knowledge bombs on all of us.

Pleasant_Ocelot_2861

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Lol…i have that asshole blocked.

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I think he blocked me a while back too. I think he's kinda funny because he acts like he's got lots of stuff going on in the dog world but is always on Reddit making enemies.

Pleasant_Ocelot_2861

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Meh… fake it till you make it, right?😂

Cant stand people like that.

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Glad I'm not the only one then. I really rarely block anyone, but... that dude....

Adventurous_Phase488

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That beautiful dog is having a great time.

OP

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Always 😊🐾

Sharkeys-mom-81522

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He needs a victory dance

ACustommadeVillain

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whats the toy you used?

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A cheap bite pillow from Amazon.

OP

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It's a dog bite pillow

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My dog doesn't get head-high vertical bites. She gets shoulder-high bites and esquives from a professional decoy who has done civil work and FR for more than a decade. Everybody's approach to training is different.

Gappay equipment lasts longer than the Amazon versions.

OP

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Meanwhile Broly is executing 35+ commands, fully engaged, displaying perfect obedience, getting exercise, great diet, all the love, and having the time of his life lol

Lets go Broly 🐾🤎🐕

NearbyTomorrow9605

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Again, no one isn’t saying your dog isn’t well trained or smart, engaged, etc. We are simply saying you’re taking unneeded risk because of pride and trying to prove everyone else wrong. At the end of the day, I hope nothing bad ever happens but if it does all finger point towards you.

Pleasant_Ocelot_2861

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Whats funny, is all these people criticizing you for having a mal in control better than most police officers control theirs, their mals are doing parlor tricks for cookies.

I could do without all the dancing in your videos, but it is obvious that you trained your mal well. Your mal and you obviously have a relationship based on trust and desire to please each other. Most people do not have that with their pups.

OP

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Now there's some actual understanding!

It's clear that the criticism often comes from skewed and short-sighted perspectives. Some people might simply be frustrated because they can't achieve what I do with Broly.

Our interactions are based on fun, love, and play, combined with some obedience and agility. It's just our lifestyle, not a sport. You'll never see me judge another Malinois unless there's clear evidence of abuse.

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We've traded DM's on Broly and his training and you know I am a supporter/fan. Our training foundations align. I think maybe the loose without a leash is the trigger for most here.

To me, the vids you post are just ....playful training, having fun with Broly, Broly having fun with you. I'm sure there is work going on that you aren't showing. There's a million of those vids out there. Your vids are on a different level. Keep em coming! BTW...how old is Broly?

OP

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10 months 🐾🤎

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