Act 3 kinda sucks if Last Light falls

I always fight Lorroakan even in runs where I kill nightsong. Favourite way to start fight is to have high str character throw him all the way down inside the tower, and deal with the myrmidons in the meantime while he tries to find a way up.

I don’t know if it’s any consolation or not but I’ve heard several people say that the sussur dagger is prone to vanishing after you throw it so it might not have been there anyway (it vanished at Auntie Ethel’s tea house for me)

NEVER THROW sussur dagger There is a bug that sussur dagger simply disappears if u throw it

I didn’t fight him either, but I took the legendary staff below and if you kept a book from act 1 you get a spell that allows you to summon six ghouls to fight with you.

How do you actually make it? If I travel it breaks my flower immediately. I know sunlight breaks it, but where do I forge the dagger in the underdark? Honor mode run and I’m losing Susan flowers.

Stick win everytime

They die when they reach the surface

They lose their magic after a few long rests, I've found. The sussur dagger is more reliable. Or a silence spell, but he can walk out of that.

Making for a wonderful heroes last stand outside the temple. Poor Minsc and Jaheira died valiantly in my latest run.

Before reloading that entire part and going for a redemption run instead.

This makes me less regretful for letting her die in the Moonrise fight. I wasn't planning on putting her in my party anyway but it's good to know I didn't actually lose anything.

In one playthrough, I intended to be a full embrace Durge, but that moment with Jaheira basically changed the trajectory of the playthrough, there was something about her forgiveness that made it impossible for me to continue the evil path.

10 enemies vs 30 is a bit of a difference when Jaheira has suicidal tendencies :D

Part of an "evil" playthrough is that you will almost always lose most allies. you can pick up a few new allies in Act 3, but most of the allies are lost to you on that path.

There's less content because your story leaves you more alone.

Act 3 has a ton of good content, but it depends entirely on which route you pick.

Isobel straight up tells you that everyone there will die if she falls, and you need Jaheira to get Minsc.

Even act 2 misses a lot of good stuff (like cleansing the shadow curse) if you go the evil route or let Isobel die too early.

Literally the only difference you get from losing Jaheira is that you cannot recruit Minsc and do not get her dialogues, that is all (and I guess the interactions with her children are different). If you are unable to find quests, that is completely your problem, because act 3 is filled with them to the brim.

The sail away from the Shadow Cursed lands outright.

After battling Ketheric (if I remember well) everyone's waiting on the first floor of the tower. You can kill Isobel when she's outside, after closing the door of the tower, and then run for your life.

Once again IF I'm remembering well.

I just wish you had the possibility for a Darth Vader or Saruman-ish "you gained incredible power, but at a terrible cost" kind of evil, and not just a "you've gone out of your way to make alliances with shitty people who won't give you much wealth or power" kind of evil.

The thing is, BG3 is in a universe where many people and factions are just evil, so it's not like there is an absence of potential allies, let alone potential companions for an evil route. Yes, evil can backstab each other, but it can also team up...

Evil is isolating if you just look at how it affects your relationships with good people. Evil people, on the other hand... well, if you have shared goals, you can have alliances. Wouldn't it be cool if by being evil, you could get Viconia as a companion in Act 3 instead of Minsc/Jaheira? I guess it would clash with evil Shadowheart, but it would also be an option for people who killed Shadowheart, for one. It'd also be an option for people who have fond memories of Viconia from BG2. There are also the obvious other potential companions for an evil route, such as Z'Rell and maybe Nere.

I feel like RPGs like this one fail to convey the fact you can definitely have alliances if you're evil, it's just with other evil people if your goals are shared. It's not like there is a shortage of malevolent forces in those games, and evil is not stupid -- it understands the value of working together when it's beneficial. Hell, even BG3 kinda does this; if you side with Lorroakan, he'll contribute to your final fight, as will Viconia if you hand over Shadowheart to her. Stuff like this could be taken further to make an evil playthrough more interesting! But it's not.

I mean, isn't it? Isn't evil literally being selfish, and acting in your own best interest (as opposed to helping others, aiding others, selfless acts, etc.)? Which would be isolating: who wants to assist someone who will gladly sell them out at the first chance? Heck, even the Chosen 3 are all plotting against one another.

Last light falls...a lot of players are no longer on the board. It's not cut content; it's just threads are being excised. I guess people expect there to be an endless supply of NPCs to interact with, when the current story ones die?

A lot of games would just make those people invulnerable/impossible to kill. At least in BG3, we get to see the ramifications on what happens when the key players die: the world is a lot emptier.

I feel like if you want to make the choice difficult you have to make the evil path easier. More power, better items idk. Then the reward for the good path is literally this: you get to be a good person on that path.

It makes me so uncomfortable that they switched to this 'preachy' message from EA when Swen was telling us that Larian was aware how rpgs tend to skimp on evil content and BG3 was going to be different, that they were putting extra effort into the evil party members to get them 'right' and teasing us about all these evil options and allies we'd be experiencing if we so chose.

When the game released and most of that was absent, it felt like there was this sudden switch to finger wagging and telling us that the lack of content was an intentional artistic and moral choice the whole time. Feels very gaslight-y in a way that I particularly do not care for.

Well, that is true and I think there’s probably some truth to that statement being what guided them to cut some evil content. I do doubt that he would come out and stage and be like yeah we just didn’t have time to do anything else so we gave up, I guess they realize they did not have both sides and decided that in an evil run it’s OK if everyone dies, because being evil is isolating.

It’s kinda an inversion of the old “Everyone goes to heaven, it’s just the bad people don’t like it”

It's called damage control. No time or budget for meaningful evil path content? Fuck it, "you're meant to be alone". Done.

"also it helps us save costs by a lot or at least that's how i am coping with it. You shits won't play evil path anyway"

If Owlcat was capable of making interesting evil routes with content, Larian should have been able to do it too.

I mean, it's true. If you make choices that violate the well-being of others and break trust with everyone you know in exchange for power, you will end up alone. A band of evil companions would still fundamentally distrust and eventually betray one another until one person was left.

"evil bad"

omggg so preachy, can't guy believe say evil not good! 🤨

Her spear is one of the best weapons in the game, especially when compared to "kind" spear.
It alone can break so many fights and areas simply because of darkness cast on demand that doesnt obscure your vision and many enemies have no way to interact with you.

Her spear is really good, but the armor are kinda mid

in terms of gear its basically

DJ spear vs. Dammon's act 3 gear

if youre gonna play a build that uses the spear properly, then yeah i'd say its the stronger pick.

if youll just slap it on whoever, i'd rather have dammon's gear

Thanks for clearing that up, I was reading about her leading the House of Grief and then siding with you in the final battle like it was a great thing. Turns out it’s shit.

Whenever I think about going the evil route and kill the tieflings I think about Mol or Alfira and then absolutely refuse to do it

Oh, that's a good solution!

Hmmm never tried this, gotta see what happens.

It might be the case in real life, but in a video game, there's no need for strict conformity. When I think of an evil playthrough, games like Fallout: New Vegas come to mind, where committing evil acts doesn't feel like going against the developers' intentions or playing the game incorrectly. It's evident that an evil playthrough wasn't the primary focus of BG3; rather, it was included to cater to players seeking that experience. The game offers plenty of opportunities for extremely evil actions, but in my opinion, there should be more chances to balance out the opportunities lost by choosing evil paths. For instance, acquiring Minthara alone results in significant losses of storylines, allies, and items. To offset this, perhaps players could’ve been given the option to enslave the grove or capture departing companions. Maybe allow us to recruit well written evil companions so we aren’t stuck with lifeless mercenaries. It doesn’t have to offset completely but at least give us something more.

Well luckily our party is an Abjuration Wizard, some kind of Warlock, Mushroom Druid and I'm a Vengeance Paladin with a fuck ton of damage negation. I've got the Adamantine Heavy Plate, Skinburster, the Helmet that does Smite the Graceless and the gloves that caused Reverb Orb. If I get 7 Conduit Stacks between my armor and the Heavy Master feat, if something tries to hit me with Physical the damage roll has to be 13 to do 1 damage to me. 19 AC without a shield and between my helmet and gloves, every time an enemy misses an attack on me they're more likely to miss their next attack. Adamantine causes reeling as well so if they do hit me at all they still take a debuff to their attack rolls

Our Warlock can do the whole AOE thing and my buddy as a Druid can make a bunch of fodder for us between summons and crawling gnaw. I think we can do it but it's gonna be nail biter.

That’s interesting because I feel like I remember telling her to do what she thought was right and then killed her. But cool to know it can go a different way :)

Ohhh I got you. That happened to me in my most recent playthrough. I didn't even know that could happen. I was like damn wtf ok bye.

Eh, I live without them just fine.

Just internet things in general, when anything becomes remotely popular there will always be a crowd who get way too attached to characters. Just look at any anime community for 1 second