Uranus-Neptune Conjunction, millenials, internet

Conceptual

As a millenial consulting astrologer, I look at a lot of charts of millennials- lot of people born under neptune conj uranus in cap, so 1993-1996. Of course this conj is strongly associated with the birth of the internet, and often its situation in a young adult's chart to show their relationship/utilization of the internet and sort of how they situate themselves within this unique generational theme. I think this is a pretty common general understanding. I don't let this 'meaning' become fixed in my mind or my practice, and I don't claim to fully understand it, but its practical implications in the charts of individuals are always surprising me!

And now with the neptune saturn pisces conjunction in the works, It feels like destiny for this generation to wrest the power of -wide-web away from corporate, capitalistic, anti-human interests and reform it to serve humanity in a better way.

Two questions for conversation:

-How do you see the the neptune/uranus capricorn conj affecting millenials in their personal lives, by placement/aspect/transit?

-What are your thoughts on saturn/neptune in pisces approaching conjunction in relation to the destiny or work of people born under the uranus-neptune conjunction?

-Please please any and all thoughts on this topic I'd love to hear!

in Advancedastrologyby lokiparo

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1mo

BasqueBurntSoul

1mo

Oh these people are my folks! I've been surrounded by people who are completely opposite to me. Haven't found my tribe yet except a few glimpse online here and there. So I have some insights how it can be expressed from both sides of the spectrum.

These people just finished/are currently/will experience their Saturn return very soon. We're just starting to be actual adults LOL Later 93'ers have their Saturn in Aqua so I'm not sure if they are part of the sample. I think most people in this bracket experience the Neptune-Uranus conjunction during the pandemic. Myself included! I had my peers tell me who never had any mental health issues prior (that I've been experiencing even before '08) complained about having full blown panic attacks calling them their rock bottom and such! These people do not like their jobs and are unhappy with their home life. The others seem to be focusing a lot in advancing their career through further studies (Might be the Cap?) One is in training & development, the other is in mental health & distress, the last is a lawyer. Another bunch experienced and opened their eyes about the toxicity and abuse of people they used to defend, losing people. Oh, btw, for a lot of them I must be the embodiment of Neptune and Uranus conj I have them in my ASC I fought a lot with people during this time. 😝

What are you most interesting findings, btw?

[deleted]

1mo

I was born in 93’ and have this conjunction in my 4H (opp 10H mars, sextile 2H Pluto, trine 8H Moon, square 7H Venus rx). On a personal level, this affected my home life. It was unstable, and traditional. It felt restrictive for me because I am the “black sheep”, but also because of the unhealthy dynamics between my parents, siblings, and extended family. I felt like an outsider, an alien just watching the humans poorly communicate and create chaos amongst each other. As shitty as it was, it was like I was in some kind of social experiment that was meant to teach me about the human psyche so I could understand what not to do at home and in the world. I was in a constant state of observation and internal inquiry, always seeking answers as to why things were playing out the way they were and how it could be better in a systematic way. I like to get to the root of things, and I’m really good at it. I tend to see beyond the superficial to gain insights that inform me of how things are interconnected. This is something that has really influenced my way of approaching humanity on an individual and collective level. It has created a deep desire in me to create or at least be a part of healing and nurturing environments, ones that prioritize whole human wellbeing. Taking into account the internal and external experiences and circumstances that shape the outcomes for the individual and thus the evolution of the human collective as a whole.

It’s actually really interesting to me that you bring up the Saturn-Neptune conjunction in relation to reforming the internet. I recently had a conversation with my sister about how we have become so interconnected with the internet and technology that there is no going back. It will continue to move forwards with us. However, many people don't want to see a reformation because they assume it will mean technology and modern civilization would disappear as a whole and we would all be living primitively. I think people believe capitalism is synonymous with progress when it's not, and I personally feel as though people with this mindset lack perspective due to ignorance around human evolution and have probably never explored how humans evolved and created technologies pre-dating western industrialized influence. We are at a point in time where we can either continue to use technology irresponsibly, for consumerism and exploitation of not only humans but the earth as well, for private interests. Or we can learn to work in conjunction with tech to create more harmony, stability, and security for the global collective, our shared home, and all of the life that is meant to thrive here. Either way, tech isn't leaving, the internet isn't leaving. As long as humans live we will continue to progress, create, and strive for better conditions.

[deleted]

1mo

I forgot to add, the internet in particular played the role of broadening my perspective on the varying systems at play in the world through exploration of different cultures, traditions, philosophies and spiritual beliefs. How things can seem different yet be interconnected through universal truths. I couldn’t physically travel anywhere, so I had the internet to take me on adventures. I would independently study various cultures and languages, and (secretly) entertain and create curiosity around different belief systems. I was raised in a religious, american home. My dad was a veteran and son of a pastor who blindly followed authority, and my mother was incredibly religious and absolutely would not entertain the possibility of other truths that could be found outside of the bible. But she messed up cause she always told me to keep asking questions, and I just never stopped🤷🏽‍♀️ I have the internet to thank for being a place where I could really open my mind, connect with others outside of my little bubble, and be my curious little self.

revolution_twelve

1mo

I really relate to your first paragraph, but it's interesting to me that we have come to similar conclusions in strikingly different ways. I have the same placement and similar experiences. But the conclusion I came up with is that humanity is hopeless and lost, that whole human well being is not and will never be achievable.

[deleted]

1mo

I felt more like that when I was younger, but I also have placements and experiences have that supported me in having hope even when things seem impossible or even pointless. I have faith that things will shift and that humanity can course correct in a way. Idk that it will happen in this lifetime. But I do know that I can as an individual do my part in helping it get there while I’m alive. I also have kids, so naturally there is a strong desire to not give up on humans.

revolution_twelve

1mo

Meanwhile I am starkly against having children, to spare them from all suffering, particularly in a warming and degrading planet. All of my experiences have led me to believe there is little point in having hope, that such hope is pure naivete, as when have we not dealt with disease, war, rape, hunger, and power struggles over all? The problems remain, merely shifting in form under the guise of "progress", with astrology the blueprint of some entity that dictates our lives and mocks us, helpless playthings in some endless cosmic game, never given a choice as to whether they want to participate or not.

In all other situations, we tout that prevention is the best medicine. I will never understand the blind optimism that prevails in others and tells them otherwise. It feels so reckless.

Would be interesting for someone to compare our charts.

BasqueBurntSoul

1mo

I just can't begin to share my own experience. This is where I realized the rock bottom is bottomless. 🥺 I lost everything, I even almost lost my own mind. Numerous deaths, grief and loss. Cannot hold a job, lost all my savings. I discovered the narcissism of my mother and my whole family shortly after the death of my main caregiver. Frozen and numbed bc I was deceived and brainwashed all my life but still cant stop ruminating. It all went downhill from there. Extreme power struggles from people who tried to usurp and oppress me. Assaults. I almost turned into John Wick bc even my dogs weren't spared. Moving to encounter even bigger bullies. Friends betraying me and competing with me despite knowing exactly what I was going through. Realizing first hand the uselessness of places thats supposed to protect you; police, churches etc, discovering even larger scale narcissism. Capricorn rising 😎

What are you most interesting findings, btw?

GreenBubbleMilkTae

1mo

I have Uranus (Aquarius 4H) conjunct Neptune (Capricorn 3H) as a Scorpio Rising. I was born in '95. I feel like a Zillennial, like I relate to both Millennials and Gen Z. 95% of my friends are a few years younger than me. It also feels weird to be born during this time period because technology was transforming at a rapid pace. Every time I got something, we moved onto the next thing. So I got to experience it all.

I use the internet a lot to research new things. I'm always studying something people don't normally talk about. I don't use the internet to serve humanity though. I use it to study, stay connected to my friends, and for my creative business.

But recently I have been feeling very resistant to working for any type of company. I want to be my own boss instead.

twicecolored

1mo

It’s interesting I guess being a millennial not born with this conjunction. I’m older. Though do have Neptune in cap (2°).

Maybe this is a super base take, but often conceived of Neptune Cap as resonating with making profit from illusions, the kind of mesh of hard reality and capital with the simulacra of a space that exists but doesn’t really exist. It exists in the un-3d neptunian plane, and more within minds and words and pictures on screens. well, like films and television and everything that is seen and imagined but not hard and tangible. It can be owned in the mind, so then, what can owning in a glamorous simulacra look like in modern internet times? Influencers. Which to me is distinctly millennial. That was a whole new thing for this age group that opened up, obviously particularly with the creation of YouTube in 2005, and then Instagram (2011?) in conjunction with the iPhone. Selfies, your online persona is your brand whether you like it or not. Everyone it seems can suddenly have this weird opportunity of expansion of self + business, if they choose to try it. Or even if not, technically your self that was relatively anonymous online is now not anonymous and is eternally kind of colliding with 3D self. Yet, there’s so much of the online self that doesn’t match up to 3D self (filters, face tuning, pretty pictures of the beach when you’re miserable)… but what is our total self anyway? And what defines what the real self is? How do we get to know one another in this continual self hall of mirrors? Is the self what our minds express? Or is it firmly rooted in the 3D space we inhabit outside the internet…? There’s a lot of blurring dissociated effect that confuses and lets down, but also a lot of play and fun (and profit) around the illusions.

Idk. I just distinctly read it as smoothly capitalising on glamor. And why do I always think of Jeffree Starr for Neptune in Cap lol, even though like myself, he doesn’t have the conjunction. Perhaps it’s that his self-brand highlights here the incredible boom of makeup and tutorials by (at least initially older) millennials. Palette ranges and brushes ad infinitum. Like holy hell, there was never that much detailed information about makeup and application and products etc. when I was a teen. Now it’s all on, video? Just like that? Someone giving “real life” tips you can just google and find when you want? Like, just not. There was nothing like that. I feel my age definitely took and ran with that concept lol.

And yeah, this time, glamor capitalising inhabited an actually entirely new world (world of online). I find it fascinating thinking about this shift.

I’m not sure what 30 year olds are up to atm, but I guess my 32 year old sister who works in SFX digital film industry is pretty jaded and starting to see (with blasé amusement?) the effects of the rather global slowing of film production as a whole. Idk, a kind of, watching stuff fall apart slowly and kind of weirdly smiling as everything sinks because it’s expected and is what they/we were born for(?) lol. Watching things disintegrate or fade, to smooth out terrain for hopefully way more functional and humane things. I feel like a lot of millennials are bringing out the popcorn.

Anyway. Just some side thoughts I guess, from a millennial non-conjunct-er. Being that my Uranus is at 13° Sagittarius (and conjunct my moon/ascendant), quite far from Neptune… idk, Uranian concerns for me naturally aren’t as attached or fused to the Neptune stuff. Two separate energies with different aims/vibes. It does affect me in the sense I went through the conjunction as a live human, but truly don’t feel destined for much related to it. And obv. live outside of what it impels. My life early 20s was relatively online but in active ways within older models like special interest forums and social journal spaces. I didn’t get an iPhone or Instagram until I was 29 and going through my Saturn return lol.

Leading to feelings of mid-nowhere xennial missed the boat status regarding a lot of generational stuff I’m supposed to be in “roped into”, and not quite being as in touch with prime millennial ethos.

twicecolored

1mo

To contrast, TikTok feels a lot less, saturnine? Less refined perhaps. Some early YouTube influencers had a gritty almost severe boss mode going on behind how they handled their self-businesses, with still all the flourish and hazy grandiosity of Neptune. Very “iron fist in a velvet glove” sense about it 😂

PlutoInScorpio

1mo

Great take on influencers

AstrologyProf

1mo

The internet was invented in 1969. Maybe you are referring to the web, which was invented in 1989.

But millennials are more often associated with smart phones and apps, which started in 2007 with the release of the iPhone. Apps use some web technologies, but in many ways the ideas of the iPhone go against what the web was supposed to be about - open standards, decentralization, challenging corporate overlords, etc. The success of the iPhone is in some ways a failure of the web, and most of the proponents of the web see Apple and the millennials as betraying their ideas.

I think that millennials care more about material suffering and worker exploitation under capitalism. They don’t really care that much about the problems of artists and entrepreneurs that the open web wants to solve. These are boomer and Gen-X concerns.

lokiparo

1mo

Yes I am referring to the world wide web- thanks for clarifying that distinction.

As we're talking about Astrology, It's significant that the world wide web emerged into the world/consciousness at the same time as millennials born in late 80's/early 90's, coinciding with uranus/neptune conjunction in pisces. These people also grew up alongside the worldwide web. None of this is too debatable it's just timing.

This group was also born during the collapse of the soviet Union. And I think you're right that they care a lot about material suffering kand worker exploitation under capitalism-- and as our world and our economy are online these two categories are not really separable. Especially now with the emergence of AI, data exploitation, and the collapse of even being able to effectively google things because of AI interference.

I absolutely agree with you that the iphone/ app culture can be viewed as a failure of the web and a success for the anti-human corporate overlords. Seems kind of wierd to blame that on millennials who were children when the Iphone came out.

I really don't think it's useful to draw hard boundaries between generations/pit them against each other fox news-style. as we all have to evolve on earth together and if astrology (or neptune/uranus!) teaches us anything, it's that we share a consciousness.

The fact is though, Millennials are the ones coming into power over the next several years. So i'm hoping we have something up our sleeve to save us all. I hope Saturn/Neptune will be empowering in terms of bringing clarity and reform.

AstrologyProf

1mo

I absolutely agree with you that the iphone/ app culture can be viewed as a failure of the web and a success for the anti-human corporate overlords. Seems kind of wierd to blame that on millennials who were children when the Iphone came out.

If you look at old issues of Wired magazine from the 90s and 00s, they have articles about how open web startups challenging corporate power right next to ads for Rolexes and Jaguars. I'm sure that during that time some people were sincere idealists, but a big part of the reason the movement failed was because it was kinda bullsh*t from the beginning.

The gig economy (Uber, etc.) is interesting because it shows how the open web principles of disintermediation that are supposed to help middle class entrepreneurs and artists can also be used against the working class, to undermine worker protections, minimum wage, etc. Another reason that the millennial skepticism and opposition to these ideas is valid.

lokiparo

1mo

I'm a little confused about your point astrologically, but you're definitely preaching to the choir about start-up tech culture being sinister from the start- I'm visual artist and a member of a labor union.

I guess that's my point- that now the illusion is sort of shattered/ tech is so clearly not serving the masses/ the saturn in pisces will help wrap up the cycle and people with these placements can help create an alternative.

lokiparo

1mo

maybe it's more of a 'hope' than a 'point' . Thanks for engaging.

SagiPerson

1mo

For speaking sense thanks

Defiant_Coconut_5361

1mo

What do you mean by the problems of artists and entrepreneurs that the open web wants to solve?

AstrologyProf

1mo

The open web was founded on the idea of disintermediation - cutting out the middle man - by enabling direct connections between small producers and consumers.

Corporate entertainment businesses were thought to be too conventional in their tastes to appreciate the unique creativity of avant garde artists. The open web was supposed to remove these middlemen and allow artists to directly connect with their audience. If you are an entrepreneur and you want to sell a product, the big retailers are the middlemen.

That’s all fine, the problem is that the majority of artists and entrepreneurs didn’t grow up poor. They come from more comfortable backgrounds, and if they don’t succeed they’ll just get regular office jobs.

So all this heroic Gen-X talk about bravely standing up against corporate power, but prioritizing middle class people feeling more fulfilled, and actually doing nothing for people who are really suffering under capitalism - unemployed, minimum wage jobs, no health care, massive student debt, rent is going up, can’t afford a house.

When millennials came of age, the conversation about capitalism shifted to these topics.

SagiPerson

1mo

So all this heroic Gen-X talk about bravely standing up against corporate power, but prioritizing middle class people feeling more fulfilled, and actually doing nothing for people who are really suffering under capitalism - unemployed, minimum wage jobs, no health care, massive student debt, rent is going up, can’t afford a house.

It's the SN in Aries, Taurus, Gem and Cancer kids we are talking about (so NN in Libra, Scorpio, Sagi and Cap)

Any comfortable background that parents could lay out in the 70s or 80s (taken as the ages of this gen's parents more or less) wasn't gonna last to this day and magically stand alone in the face of everything anyways

It's also 2024

I was born in 91' with a Mars conjuct MC and 11H placements btw

Defiant_Coconut_5361

1mo

I think I understand now. I do see the internet in having already succeeded in disintermediation to an extent. As someone born in ‘94 I certainly care much more about what you stated in your initial comment, caring about material suffering and worker exploitation - from my perspective there’s so much excess that no one should be insecure in their housing, healthcare, or especially food in todays society. I see it as the government, and the bank owners, have been exploiting everyone and making us miserable slaves to the dollar, collecting their % and pissing so much of it away on utter shit. Last year alone there were over 100 new Billionaires, and that boggles my mind as well since so many people are barely surviving, living paycheck to paycheck and fighting to be able to sustain a life on a single full-time income. I don’t think the answer remains in the government retaining so much power.

repressednomoreok

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1mo

I’m born in ‘94, undergoing my Saturn return in pisces in 6H, migrating in 7H. Been 7th month of single hood after breaking up from a 7 years relationship, learnt a lot about setting boundaries in personal (7H) and work relationships (6H), I’m a nurse by profession (moon in Capricorn), and I realised that most nurses, unfortunately, including myself, don’t really value ourselves, our time, our energy, and we tend to have a very poor, warped, distorted perception on the true value of the work that we do for the patients in healthcare - overworked and underpaid, which unfortunately, for myself, is also a same concept when it comes to love and relationships…. Settling for the sake of it, getting led on, breadcrumbed, and feeling like I’ve to sacrifice myself by doing more, in order to get the love that I believe that I’ve to prove my worth in order to receive love….

Well, not anymore…. I’m learning that my self worth is innate.

My Saturn return is teaching about learning to set boundaries, learning to REST, and it’s ok to be picky and saying “no” to others. I realised most of my peers around my age, are seeking therapy to work out their emotions better - also learning about boundaries, self-worth, and not being too delusional…

With the current age of Aquarius, more people will be self-employed, they won’t want to be bounded by rules or having a boss that they’ve to report to… freedom is most important.

BrownSugarCake

1mo

Are your dates accurate? I was born in '92 and have the conjunction within 0.5 degrees. I think it went from 1990 to 1996.

ViviVoxNox

1mo

Same for me! Born May 1992 and the conjunction within an orb of 1 degree exact

BrownSugarCake

1mo

Hey there, sibling!

lokiparo

1mo

Sorry my post isnt clear- you’re right that the conjunction was longer/ more complicated—ill dig up all the dates and post them when i get a chance or maybe someone else will .

So Saturn was in pisces 93-96 , and its looking at these saturn return charts and talking to these lovely people that has really got me thinking about this topic in a generational/personal sense.

BrownSugarCake

1mo

Right. Some might say the conjunction began in 1988 when Uranus was at 0 degrees Capricorn and Neptune was at 10 degrees Capricorn. It went on in Capricorn until about April of 1995 when Neptune entered Aquarius. It was perfectly exact around 1993. a year or so before and after I believe, it was within a 1 degree orb, like mine. And so on.

Tingle_0G

1mo

I was born in 1997, but my study for the last few months about Uranus has led me to a proof of sorts that Uranus and the way it behaves in our solar system is responsible for the way 7 behaves in mathematics

lokiparo

30d

say more?

Tingle_0G

30d

Basically, every 84 years when Uranus completes an orbit, you can like up the Nodes at a set point. My point was 15°Aries with Uranus at about 21° Taurus. Uranus stays within a 7° window no matter how far back you go in time. I'm not exactly the best at writing stuff. It also is the 7th planet with an orbit 7 times longer than Jupiter. Also in reference to electro magnetism, it's on an inverted axis with its poles pointing toward the sun and the grand expanse of space rather than directly up and down. I don't think science has put that much thought into it though.

TheRareExceptiion

1mo

I was born in 1990 with this aspect along with Saturn (and my moon) so I may be a post relevant to your question:

I can give my experience of the Saturn AND transit (during my SR) in 2020 in regards to my natal chart and This transit happened in my 3H and the stellium was NepMoonUranusSaturn (in order of conj strength).
We had to move to another state for work from my hometown. I had a head injury in 2021 that caused me lose my speech and had an NDE. Theres a good part of that year I don’t remember and I had to be taken care of in a way I’m never expected. I had event that changed my life and I’ve since recovered am still married and have a baby. Full disclosure: I’m a Scorpio rising/Pluto 1H and Mars 8H squaring my 11H Sun in Virgo, so I’m a very Plutonian person, that transit changed my entire life for the better
I think my generation is willing to break down the power structures that exist by I don’t think we agree how it should be done. Riots and protests are def not Capricorn energy (boycotting, social media posts) which is more passive and have a low social impact

revolution_twelve

1mo

All I can tell you is, it's a cursed placement when in your 4th house.

Source: Myself. I have my chart in previous posts in other subs if you would like to analyze. But I'm very much about to catch the bus over this placement. My soul is exhausted. For anyone who refuses to believe bad placements don't exist, know that I am a living (though not for long) testimony to the complete lack of truth of that belief.

Edit: The events of my life that have occurred because of this placement are directly responsible for my antinatalist beliefs. I'm happy to elaborate more if interested.

ViviVoxNox

1mo

I don’t know but I just wanted to say I have it smack on my Cap AC (Uranus 17, Neptune 18, AC 19) and completing my grand earth trine with Sun/Moon .. it’s also part of the kite figuration in my Chart.

Anyways, I feel this generational aspect is highly personal to me

And the internet works like magic for me, aligning me with knowledge, messages, self-growth and endless possibilities

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1mo

ViviVoxNox

1mo

Did I? 🥰

I don’t remember right now but if that is so you’re welcome and yes .. I’d need to see your whole Chart to give you a better take on how it might play out for you .. you can send me an image if you like, I prefer it per comment so others can learn too if that’s possible <3

EDIT: okay I checked your Chart from previous posts and it did look familiar .. anyways, concerning your Neptune/Uranus conjunct AC from 12H together with your 12H stellium I see lots of past life karma and themes for you - you are likely going to benefit from past life regressions and such - but all in due time, just when it feels right .. you won’t be able to rush it anyways but just know that this is something that may play a role in your life - usually these themes only fully come out when you approach your Saturn return or have gone though it (as you have, I think)

asphodel-

1mo

Thank you much for your time!

ViviVoxNox

1mo

You’ree welcome and happy cake day!! ☘️🥳🫶🏽🥰

Edit: by the way, I didn’t think about this before but judging from our Charts we have past life Synastry together .. all your 12H planets are in my 12H too 🥰 might be some familial ties like sisters or girl cousins (with the Moon/Venus there)!