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Our Italian genes poisoning your bloodlines.
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One of the original side switchers
A lot of Italians moved to Scotland and Wales during the inter war and post war periods. Less friction on visas, better job opportunities, more stable politics, opportunities to open businesses as Europe became more import/export focussed.
100 and more years ago there were also a lot of brits in Italy, in Naples maybe english language was more liked than italian, for all the important brits in the city...
Should be a flair for the Scottish, "original side switcher"
You can land on Mars or join a penguin colony in Antarctica and find neapolitans. Those mf are literally everywhere
It’s clearly not for the Deep Fried Mars Bars
Think about someone with Scottish, Welsh AND Sardinian blood. The ultimate sheep-fucking man.
100 (and more) years ago there was a large (probably very large) community of Scots in Naples, plus many from the north of England.
The Scottish community even had a (enormous) church reserved for the community, which has now been transformed into a residential building.
The same Napoli team had one or more Scots in the team, but the only name still handed down is that of William McPherson...
my opinion, she got a job with one of these Scotsmen who wanted her when he came back.
(It's a shame that no Scottish journalist has ever wanted to delve into the history of these Britons, which would also be material for a couple of films)
My dad's mum's dad was from Naples lol. He was a gelato man.
The ones who we went to Scotland were mostly Jewish
Italy: 2%
poisoning? more like polishing, cleaning.
see Hans this is how you do spread your ethnicity around the globe
I love the Italian migration in Belgium, some of the best looking women. Win-win-win for Belgium.
What is it that made-up word that you use?
Never heard of women ? Poor Luigi, you should try them.
Says a lot about north european "women"
Like Nutella I'd say.
This really explains a lot about Argentina.
I have no Italian blood in me. Nonetheless, I'd rather be a Luigi than be swedistani
Thanks for the EU-passport grandpa.
But you have to go through the effort of making your own country miserable and dirt poor to make people leave!
That was actually y'all fault
…early last century fascist rhetoric. (it was a little sarcasm for the title of the post)
That fat orange German-American fuck knows what I mean:
Sooo we got 9 world cups?
At least.
Well, I'm counting where we are over 40%
If I lower the limit to 10% then every competition was ours in fact.
Funny enough, in Mexico, Italians were imported to strengthen the bloodline.
More funny, because Mexico is our plan B if we accidentally shoot inside
"Mejorar la raza", funnily enough so were Portuguese, Spanish and even Jews and Lebanese across Latin America.
Paco and João creating complex racial dynamics, which lead to massive uses of skin-bleaching products AND the myth of racial democracies centuries after we left.
Yeah, who thought that shoving a bunch of Portuguese, Italians and Africans into Brazil would lead to corruption. At least we got the germans, but we don't talk about that.
Of course he's from the South and is living in Bueno Aires right now. He is the Exodia of Nazism lmao.
Myth?
/uj Brazil in particular has a very long history of it. Essentially, it's a theory that states that Brazil escaped the worst forms of racism and outright segregation that happened in e.g. the US. This pretty obviously doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
I jest but the racism that Brazilians inherited and developed from us, is a weird beast. Also very weird for Portugal itself, with the whole pluricontinental empire/ Lusotropicalism.
Now I see why mexicans hate argentinians; we got all the bloodline strengthers.
Sabes como es la broma mexicana sobre los argentinos: "La única manera de matar a un argentino es que se caiga de su ego."
I have Italian ancestry, so yes
Still can't cook, I suppose those genes aren't dominant.
Recessive, in fact we are in constant recession
Can't cook but can still get a job, yeah the gens aren't really that dominant
The problem isn't getting a job, the issue for us is maintain it.
But can you keep it? Eu knows being part of a team is not your forte
Sucking things with ur toothless mouth on OF is not considered a job
The Finanzamt disagrees
My mouth isn't toothless
Ok we trust you, no one wants to see your gummy jobs thing here Georgy boy
Are you still able to enjoy a good chippie munchie box with your genome?
I enjoy it but I can't say I like the aftermath
My condolences 🙏.
unified Italy
tried to separate Rio Grande do Sul from the rest of Brazil
fought for Uruguayans because why not, it's close to Rio Grande do Sul
married a brazilian chick
What a based lad.
I actually learned a few years ago that I was one of his descendants lol, to be fair most of my family comes from Nice so it's not that unbelievable. Great man with such a crazy life
He also moved to NY at some point and worked as Meucci's (inventor of the phone) assistant before getting bored and traveling to Perù where he got citizenship and then sailed off to China where he stayed for a year and then to Australia.
After going back to Italy to fight the French again for a couple of years, the american civil war breaks out and offered a major general's commission in the U.S. Army through a letter from Secretary of State. He agrees but at the condition that all slaves are freed but lincoln refuses as he is not ready yet. So he sais frick this so he sets up the International Legion bringing together different national divisions of French, Poles, Swiss, Germans and other nationalities, with a view not just of finishing the liberation of Italy, but also of their homelands. With the motto "Free from the Alps to the Adriatic", the unification movement set its gaze on Rome and Venice proceeds to go to war first against the Pope and then the Austrians.
He also funded anti ottoman guerilla groups in the balkans for years, had three wives (one he divorced the day after their wedding when he found out she was pregnant from another man, another a mexican who taught him how to shoot) and on several occasions broke out of cavalry encirclements by just stabbing everyone
The guy's life story is surreal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giuseppe_Garibaldi
He also had the one significant French victory against the Prussians. The Chaddest of the Chads.
I would say "improving" the bloodlines. Think about all the great pussy we exported to France: Monica Bellucci and Carla Bruni for example.
The sweetest pussy of them all though:
More bitter than sweet tho
Yeah... I don't envy your politics in this precise moment.
His great grandfather is Algerian btw lol
Platini and Giroud are others
62% based
It does explain a lot.
If you refer to elect clowns as PM yes, if you refer to defaults, it's a 9-0 balance. We still have to get our first one
Yes the amazing governance and the overperforming economies over the last century is one thing you have in common. The honesty, morality, and lack of corruption for departments and officials is a striking resemblance.
My great grandpa left Italy to work in Belgium’s coal mines, made a new family there with 3 of kids, 10 years later returned and refused to give any further details about that new family
Luigi, come on, your ancestors didn't like our hairy girls?? Not even 1%?? you stayed here for what... 400 years or so?
We prefer Brazilian depilation.
You can gladly take Bolsonaro back, you know. Send him back to Rovigo or Padova. We can keep the F1 drivers (Senna, Massa and Barrichello) and football players.
I'm adding provolone to pineapple right now to piss of 30 million brazilians larping as Italians. *
It isn't uncommon to find Brazilians with Portuguese plus Italian surnames... It seems that, at least for Italian imigrants in South America, hair wasn't a problem.
Wait until you see about Sonia Ghandi
you live in an italian world, you still dont know it yet.
Everytime I see Argentinians I'm so surprised how "white" they look.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1dof5kr/mexican_fan_bothering_argentinian_fans_during/
Like this video for example. I would expect them to look a bit more "native", but maybe it's all the Italian immigrants that have the money and power who are able to afford going to the games?
Why did Italians go so hard for Argentina anyway? I'm a bit uneducated on this.
Look at this:
They'd be the "whitest" team in all of Europe if they were in the Euros
Argentina received a large influx of migrants from Italy and Germany during the last century.
Germany fleeing prosecution after/during WW2 I understand.
Was it the same situation for Italy?
Was it the same situation for Italy?
italy was before, same period of the US one, if im not wrong many did go in Argentina for the better opportunities on the industrial sector and of course they needed workers for it ( thats why great part of Argenitinian italian migration its from North Italy)
remind that Argentina had more wealth of all the Americas at that time...they got fucked up because they didnt diversificate their source of incomes , and many of it where in the hands of the British, who also funded them a lot
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Argentina is the physical representation on how the political class can fuck up the country to the point of rendering it non-functional, we ought to learn from them (we didn't)
You can't understimate the power of peronism.
People judge Milei a lot, but honestly, I dont regret voting for him. Not even a bit.
They were never embroiled in any devastating war either,
They didn't need to be, due to their reliance on European (particularly British) trade and investment, the two world wars and the great depression fucked them hard and they've still not truly recovered.
They were fucked super hard by them (and your own decline since who was the owner of the railways and main export market), but there is a unique "je ne sais quoi" of Argentina.
They have export taxes and had over 15 rates between the dollar and the peso. Their industrial sector was both super coddled and unable to get imports to keep competitiveness. Massive taxes and inflation to keep high subsidies and public employees. This is all somewhat consistent since Peron came to power (and whenever they started doing rational economic policies, it was accompanied by massive debt leading to god knows how many defaults).
Argentina's maladies are mostly self-inflicted. They got some rough patches of course, but it's mostly self-inflicted.
who was the owner of the railways
I'm pretty sure we gave them ownership of their railways following WW2 in return for them clearing whatever debt we owed.
But yes you are right most of it is self inflicted even in the 1950s they were as wealthy as the richest European nations. They chose to close their market to imports whilst simultaneously allowing their domestic industries to be dominated by foreigners.
I thought it was one of Peron's signature policies, which would bite him in the ass since "Ellos no tenian plata para eso"/ they didn't exactly have the full liquidity for that so inflation and deficits.
Peron did nationalize a lot of industry, but without access to foreign capital and only your own market (super protected by tarifs) it was almost inevitable for their decline in industry.
They fucked up despite our investments
Sorry, Barry. Thanks for the railroads and the english-style stations, though.
mostly because Italy was dirt poor.
was lol
"In Italy, for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love, they had 500 years of democracy and peace - and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
I love this phrase.
Seems like yesterday
and now italians don't produce anything AND are a shithole
Define "now"
Actually we're working on fascism 2.0
More pretty, more pussy, more European.
…take it easy Raclette Monk.
We can’t all hide gold for Nazis to get a head start.
I know right, why hide nazi gold when you can just side with the nazis?
Neither were because of WW2. Most Italian and German Argentines arrived before the great depression.
I see, ty.
Italy and Germany during the last century.
For... reasons.
Why did Italians go so hard for Argentina anyway? I'm a bit uneducated on this.
We used to be one of the wealthiest countries during the early 1900's, we had a lot of land and the country was underpopulated. A lot of european inmigrants came here searching for a new lifestyle: between 6 and 7 million in total. Most of them were italians, since Argentina was a catholic country and the spoken language was also a romance one.
However, It wasn't what the "political class" wanted. They were hoping for more british and french inmigrants. Juan B. Alberdi, the author of our Constitution, said that, even if 100 years passed, the gaucho would never become a hardworking english worker, who lives, consumes and has a decent lifestyle.
Rare Argie W
Is it those immigrants that have made Argentina what it is today, who's to blame for them not continuing the upward trend you guys were on in the early 1900's?
who's to blame for them not continuing the upward trend you guys were on in the early 1900's?
I would say Peronism, which try to import substitution in the worst way possible (And they are still trying to this day). But, in my opinion, It all started going downhill during the Great Depression of 1929, when a certain country that was our primary trading partner, whose name rhymes with "land", decided to stick with their "Commonwealth" partners during the crisis, and basically destroying the great relationship we used to have.
That's the 1 million euro question for developmental economics. A nice video I saw about the issue.
Just some loose points:
They were as rich as e.g. Australia or France in 1913 but much less educated on average (so less human capital), guess what Galician, Portuguese and Venetian immigrants were great workers but their years of education paled to Swedes or Germans.
A very export led economy, with an immense reliance on the British Empire for capital and clients. After WW1, Britain went from being the world' largest creditor to the world's largest debtor, no massive investments were coming from there. After the Great Depression, came Imperial Preference, where Britain came to prefer trade within the Empire, Argentina took some massively imbalanced trade deals to keep its head above water.
After WW2 came Peron, who completely stupidified Argentina's economy. Stuff like Export taxes, and massive tarifs to keep national industries afloat (and critically unlike East Asian tigers, their goal was mostly the internal market not external market, so no need to be competitive). Extra cushy jobs were created but productivity didn't increase=> increase in money supply and inflation and/ or debts + extra taxes on anything. Several different exchange rates, on everything from Netflix to Soy Exports.
Several periods where they opened up their economy yes, and also increased their foreign debt, they had over 5 sovereign defaults.
Some decisions are just so regarded they resist classification, take the renationalization of YPF for instance , it led to a 16 billion dollar price tag to Argentines.
I wouldn't blame individual Argentines for this though (too much). You can make an honest living and then due to the country you were unlucky to be born your savings can be robbed like what happened in 2001.
Now you drink Fernanditos and eat bad Lasagnas with food checks. How times change.
Don't forget about the Ñoquis on the 29th of every month.
I like fernandito anyway
I also like it. Though, It reminds me of Osimhen when he dyed his hair every time I prepare one.
My friend actually met a white Italian once. True story.
That is an international football game.
The reason why most spectators are white in football games is because the whole middle class-upper is white in the Americas.
Argentina is genetically as European as Brazil for instance. ~65%. Look up genetic studies if you don’t believe me.
The difference is, one country is ashamed of their non-European heritage, and another one celebrates it. Both are different agendas, won’t discuss the pros and cons.
Yea, that's kind of what I thought. I googled "native Argentinians" and they looked a lot different than what I'm used to seeing at football games.
Not making any judgements or anything, I just want to become a bit more informed.
We all have some things that are more or less dodgy in our pasts, colonisation wasn't squeaky clean anywhere in the world.
The difference is, one country is ashamed of their non-European heritage, and another one celebrates it. Both are different agendas, won’t discuss the pros and cons.
Are you saying Argentinians celebrates their European heritage and Brazilians don't? I'm ignorant in this regard.
The natives went through almost complete genocide upon the arrival of Europeans, mostly through the contact of Old World diseases.
Some countries in the Americas barely have any natives left in them. (Brazil, Canada, USA, west Argentina)
Those very countries received mass immigration from mostly Europe, and in the case of the USA and Brazil, they also received African slaves, hence the black population).
Argentina only has a significant indigenous makeup in the demographics because of the North and Andean territories.
Also, the most indigenous countries in the Americas are well represented in the map. Mexico, Central America, overall, Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador.
In regards of the racial agendas:
Argentina’s media usually lump together White and Mixed as the same category. Resulting in a 90%+ of the population being considered “white”.
Brazil’s media does the opposite, lumping black + mixed in the same category, resulting in a 60% of the the population being considered “black”.
Both are running a narrative to sell internally and abroad.
Now here are the genetic studies:
“The average ancestry for the Argentine sample overall was 65% European (95%CI: 63–68%), 31% Indigenous American (28–33%) and 4% African (3–4%).”
from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3323559/
Now let’s check Brazil.
“The weighted mean proportions of European, African, and Native American ancestries were 68.1%, 19.6%, and 11.6%, respectively”
from: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6905439/
This is also very present in the mentality of the population.
The former president of Argentina said something in the lines of “Argentinians came from the boats(Europe), Brazilians from the jungle, and Mexicans from the Indians(indigenous)”, this sentence is not far from what the average Argentinian would say, despite the average Argentinian clearly having slightly slanted eyes and a darker skin tone.
Brazil on the other hand has a history of celebrating diversity, our traditional music almost always mentions black women(mulatas) and even sometimes some sort of indigenous spirit, even though actual indigenous people are almost extinct in the country. Our media had a 360° degree shift to the point it must always include the favelas(impoverished neighborhoods which most of the population is mixed or black) even though it isn’t any more than 15% of the population.
Thanks for the lesson!
Argentina received a gigantic influx of European immigrants. At one point New York City and Buenos Aires were the two cities receiving the largest waves of European migrants into the New World. There are very large communities/diasporas of Spanish, Italian, French, Welsh, Croat, Swiss, German etc in the country.
Combine this with a small native population to begin with (compared to Mexico, Bolivia, Peru etc), a black population that vanished in colonial times, and you get why your average Argentine looks a lot more like an Italian/Spaniard and not that similar to a Honduran, Mexican or Peruvian.
It's not an accident. It was a long running project to make the country more white.
All the slaves just....disappeared.
See Hans? This is how Italians and Arabs expand their race.
No genocide needed
Argentina is just northern Italians with fake moustache.
Plus a few Germans, but they don't speak about them.
*Improving it you mean, just look at the life expectancy here
We imported them for cheap labor back then.
Quite low here, I expected more
Like most people around here, I have some ancestors from Piemonte and Valle d'Aosta.
Do they count people from ticino as italians or do only italian immigrants count? Because If its the second the number whould be to low think
Dont you guys have around 8% of the population. So nearly 100% of ticinese
We are the less poisoned
*improving
So the Roman Empire plus where the British, Spanish, Portuguese and French colonised after the fall 👌🏼
Argentinians are basically Spanish speaking Italians, so yes. This is accurate. Even the accent is an italianized version of Spanish, and the hand gestures and gastronomy are heavily influenced by Italy.
That Argentinean thing with their economy becomes easier to explain
Argentina's football players probably descend from that 38%
I would have guessed our influence on Argentina would be the biggest.
They are barely the 8% of our population here and most of them are jews.
After what happened in Colonia Dignidad in Chile, they learned from their neighbor's mistake.
Intriguing, every country with over 5% is a shit hole. I wonder why?
Barry….
People in glass houses and all that stuff…
Pssss🤫
Brits in shit houses is more accurate.
Touché
The same is true for all the countries under 4%. I guess we found the perfect proportion of Italians for each country. Not over 5.5% and not under 4%.
I'm perfectly on 4%, not below 😎
Sorry, which country are you from again?
I doubt he himself even knows the answer to that.
Quite you are by definition a shit hole.
Why is the sea talking to me
I am Poseidon and because the Belgians are again discourteous to me I will continue my punishment, the rain will never stop.
Cazo
That's Spanish
Stronzo
Perfect🤌
Argentinians are literally just Italians who speak Spanish
almost none up here, even though svens and Luigis love each other... smh we need to stop selling condoms.
Now you know why we removed NZ from the maps
Thank the gods
All Italy send 3M of italians to Argentina.
Galicia (without the rest if Spain) 1M
Italian population: 59M
Galician population: 3M
Checkmate 😎
I knew there was another reason I don’t like Argies.
wait, i thought argentina was a spanish colony. how did this happen?
The Rhine stopped you it seems, ha.
Nah. The shitty weather did.
Germany and Belgium aren't much better tho
Daddy Augustus said to not cross the river
This picture actually raises an interesting question. How is Switzerland rich?
We keep Italy's money in our banks so they can pretend to be poor
All of them drink disgusting dark roast coffee
Looks like a pretty strong correlation for higher Italian % = Worse economy
Yeah not really…
also Barry don’t talk shit about other countries’ economies… take a look in the mirror…you’re fucked. Big time.
Wealthier than Italy and currently growing. The horror
Maw's Dad's Maw was from Naples. Fuck knows how she found herself in Aberdeen in the 1920s.