30m by next year, guarantee it
Or unsubscribe if OP is wrong
Depends........ How many are you hording?
*Only applies to nightmare accounts
Monk Robes go hard here.
Trust me bro, just one more switch.
Devout boots, you heretic monk!
I look like this and say this
Shadow users sweating profusely when they need to click one more time so they can hit 86 instead of 85
Shadows only balancing factor is it's reliance on gear to amplify, so making that actually play more of a part in decisions around using it is good.
It's genuinely more for me about how obnoxious a 9 way is as a horizontal switch, it leaks over to the third row and destroys how I organize my switches, while simultaneously being far too good to pass on. An 8 way doesn't feel much worse than a 5 way. a 9 way is an affront to god.
Edit: It's interesting, I might not even mind this that much if we could reshape our inventories.
Yep the actual click pattern of a 9 way is the thing I dislike mst about this. People are posting about "1 less inventory" and "prayer drain" but these are minor issues compared to just the feel of switching in horizontal switches.
Gonna maybe mean I learn... shudders... Vertical switches
Vertical switches feel super uncomfortable to me. Permanent boot slot in the inventory incoming I think.
Yep vertical doesn't work for me either, think it's due to dragging mouse down having less natural mobility than side to side.
My desk is a rectangle, horizontal is longer than vertical. I have like thirty feet of room left to right but only a few inches up and down before I have to pick up my mouse.
yeah it’s a permanent change forever to endgame content for people who are literally afking slayer
Can pretty much guarantee nobody asking for this is running colo's and raids.
It's people who have camped mage on three enemies in their life.
100%
Try not bringing it. You will hit 85 instead of 86.
Oh.no.
What a stupid take lmfao. I run HMTs, solo cox, 500 toa, inferno, etc and I strongly believe eternals should be buffed. ALL of the cerb boots should be buffed; they're BiS, but still incredibly weak and that's just bad design. If you don't want to bring the switch, don't! They should still be meaningful upgrades.
IGN- Skankluhdank; you fucking clowns
Post your rsn
Look up their Reddit name on the hiscores, if that's them it's hilarious.
1400 total level, a few todt and barrows KC.
Funny how you don't reply after I posted my rsn. It's almost like you were just being dismissive of my stance until you realize I'm not a 1500 Andy then you ignore the conversation.
Dude where did you post it lol
? In a comment reply to yours?
Do it in a 3x3 box.
Pretty similar to vertical at that point cos issue is click patterns. Do you zigzag top 2 rows then come back along bottom 3rd row? Or do you 3 down each column, going up the middle column?
I only do switches going in a diagonal line
Still pretty annoying for vertical swaps too. Not to mention it's 3 extra switches cause you're trying to keep your swaps matched to help switch gear
They're gonna add boots with dmg on them eventually, be they eternals/pegs or not.
The only problem is that they're proposing that everyone loses damage and has to make up for it in either prayer or boots.
All they need to do is to leave the preexisting power level the same and just let augury/eternals be a straight buff for everyone.
They already proposed this for max mage, so it should 100% be on the table for the other 95% of players.
And if you don't want to do a 9 way switch, then you lose 0 dps. And if you don't want to burn prayer with augury, then you also lose 0 dps.
Though sweatlords are still gonna cry and play mental gymnastics by arguing that they are losing damage because they aren't max mage if they don't do 9 way.
That’s crazy. I just gear up click and wait. I couldn’t imagine organizing switches and referring to them as 8 way or 9 way. Like what, this is RuneScape
That is a fantastic testament that you probably don't have an informed or relevant opinion about endgame pvm and bis gear considerations.
Yeah idk I just throw on some gear, click, and wait. Wait for the game to tell me if I hit or not and how much.
I will buy your cowhides.
I’d rather sell you some knife sets that’ll come with a sail boat
For someone that's on this subreddit as much as you are, with all the opinions you have, it seems weird that you're not even end game. You're literally on every single post of this sub every day.
Seems weird I'm not end game?
What in the world gave you the idea I'm not?
I've had a maxed main since 2017. I haven't played it since GIM came out. I maxed my GIM like a month back. And I've maxed an alt as well.
Done a LOT of chambers as it was the main content my friends did and what I enjoyed (I'm a weirdo that finds the ToB boss rush not that interesting, cozy cox runs were more fun).
I'm not a Zuk helm haver and not sure I ever will be unless my GIM team gets hyper motivated around the 5 man stuff.
I've learned almost every skilling method the game has. And have attempted every bit of PVM. I've not yet beaten coloseum though haven't started serious attempts on the GIM. Ive not done awakened bosses yet as they came out while I was playing GIM so have to grind orbs and then commit to learning on the main.
I'd say ive been / had an endgame character for 7 years. Ive done all endgame PVM to some degree. I'm not some expert top 1% pvmer by any stretch. And PvP is where my knowledge / experience is more casual.
This is just a tad bit of misinformation. The shadow has a max hit of 66 outside of toa, and a max hit of 84 in toa. I don’t think there’s any need to inflate the numbers by 2 here, or by 20 if you’re referencing it’s max hit outside of toa? I think you’re aware of the max hit though, And just trying to be disingenuous?
I mean the tbow hits 85’s on warden in toa. They literally had to give the shadow a 4x damage boost in its own raid to compete with tbow. Did we all forget that lol?
Shit, the tbow hit’s 80’s normally outside of toa.
Scythe, hits 70’s on 2x2 and 79’s on 3x3’s
There’s some reasons to shit on the shadow, but it’s max hit isn’t a reason, and being disingenuous about it to spin your narrative isn’t doing the community any favors in terms of understanding how to suggest a proper balance.
There’s some reasons to shit on the shadow, but it’s max hit isn’t a reason,
So you agree that losing 1 max hit to not bringing a boot switch doesn't matter?
It's the accuracy that makes shadow broken.
I’m definitely on board for eternals to have magic damage. I think that’s sick and exactly what it needs. 9 way switches do suck, but there’s a ton of content where you use mage and aren’t doing 9 way switches.
I think we need humour tag on comments too because you took that way too seriously.
Can jokes not spark a serious discussion? I think your joke was funny, and would have been equally as funny using the real numbers. Shadow is a hot topic at the moment and there is tons of misinformation floating around. And while your first bit contained a joke, you followed it up with an assessment on why eternals should be buffed, and how it ties in with balancing the shadow. So despite it being a joke it came off as disingenuous and trying a spin narrative based on misinformation.
And like many others i’ve seen you post on reddit quite a lot, and I know that you don’t like the shadow, so I think those were your true intentions.
You think my joke was funny but wasn't as funny as it could be because i was... 1 max hit off? Genuinely you're nitpicking a joke because it was 1 damage off in an 84 damage situation. Sorry i'll make sure to link the DPS calc next time i make a joke.
So despite it being a joke it came off as disingenuous and trying a spin narrative based on misinformation.
Disingenous???? Its my opinion. You can disagree that doesn't make my opinion disingenuous.
And like many others i’ve seen you post on reddit quite a lot, and I know that you don’t like the shadow, so I think those were your true intentions.
True intentions. Again, you are taking this way too seriously.
Shadow is stupidly strong already. It copping a slight nerf without bringing 1 extra switch, or a BUFF if you do bring it, is fine.
Umm just a couple things man.
I said your joke would have been equally as funny not funnier if you used the real numbers.
Disingenuous means that you pretend to not know as much as you do.
All I was trying to do was explain why I thought you were pretending to not know as much as you do. I even stated in my original comment that I think you know the max hit?
It would have been disingenuous if you were stating the max hit outside of toa was 86, and would have added misinformation to the narrative that shadow is op and should be nerfed.
I had some coffee this morning so might have went off on a lil side tangent about max hits lol.
I don’t think this conversation is going to continue down a healthy direction. Gl scaping and redditing man.
Then just buff eternals rather than knocking 5% off current setup on prayer and 9% down off prayer. The argument would then be: If you want more DPS bring more gear. And then you'd have to make a compromise to get more benefit rather than lose what you already have
I'd rather they designed the game around him rather than mentally unwell people and bots
"I'm sorry sir but your diagnosis isn't great. You have.... full ancestral and shadow."
Lmao, idc about changes anymore these are some bis memes
never go full ancestral
"It's Terminal. I'm so sorry."
LMAO
People who bring switches into raids are mentally unwell? Or is it just people that raid are mentally unwell?
People that do content I don’t do are mentally unwell.
And people who do content I've finished with are noobs. Simple
I think the only unwell ones are the ones acting like 1 switch to gain +1% magic damage is the end of their life.
Im on your side, but ain't nobody bringing an Ava's switch as a mager
These days you'd bring quiver over assembler and anguish if you're tight for space
I totally understand why people don't want it, but I also think it's still stupid.
Are you telling me we'll never have boots better than eternals just so people doing ToB don't have to change their set up? It's a ridiculous take
(genuine question) is shadow not good at ToB or do you just not have one?
Also ToB mage is an interesting case because you use it for freezing at maiden, and nylo room. Where one person will be that roll, and everyone will need magic damage for the boss of that room. But that's the only room where it impacts everyone yeh?
Edit: some serial downvoters in these threads.
shadow is hard trolling to bring into tob
Interesting. Is it because of it being slower and that meaning you miss an attack cycle at nylo boss?
Edit: who is miserable enough to downvote me asking for info I don't know?
It is because it is 5 ticks and you clear the nylo waves far slower. You can technically bring both, but shadow is only better (extremely marginally) at p2 verzik. So unless you are trying to go for record, there isn't a point to bring it
Yeh makes sense for the nylo waves. Thanks for answering.
It's ~10% better at p2, BIS if 0 hammers hit on a sote phase and BIS for nylo boss.
It's definitely worth bringing if you're comfortable at p2 and can maintain your heart boost
Source: someone who essentially gets gm time 75% of the time for all team sizes with only the maiden 70-50 stacking 'tech' being used.
I don't remember the dps calcs being that big a difference
Is it because you've taken into account of shadow being 5t instead of 5.33 of the scythe's?
How is it BIS for nylo boss? Scythe is 14 DPS and IIRC bow is around 13.5. 66 max gets nowhere close to that. Unless you mean specifically the blue phase but magic DPS is the lowest anyway, you'd be trolling bringing in full mage if you weren't maging just for nylo lol.
Everything is low defense and hp so attack speed is king basically
I think it's only good at nylo boss but mage is the least DPS phase anyways
Lol asks a genuine question with some reasonable follow-ups: DOWN VOTE HIS ASS
Yeh I'm the villain of this thread so the mob is following what they're told ;P
Lol reddit mob really is rude on this sub
People are down voting you because you have an opinion that's seeded in ignorance all throughout this thread. You asking about using a shadow in TOB like that's normal shit. Base level knowledge would tell you that's straight trolling.
Woah no way you mean I admitted the area I don't have knowledge in and asked a genuine question so that I could learn?
Take me out back and shoot me I guess.
The problem isn't that you don't have knowledge in this area. The problem is you don't have knowledge AND you're advocating elsewhere that the added boot swap is "not that bad bro" while not having done the content it affects
"The content it affects" being.. all content thats swap heavy, of which i do and have done all other places.
Yeh i can have an opinion while also admitting im not a ToB expert. Shocking right?
Also im advocating the boot swap to keep the same power and 1% more even for specifically shadow is not that bad. If you're going to subquote me atleast get my point right.
the guy is a human npc you're arguing with a brick wall, he even admitted his highest tier pvm he does is reg cox lol
Legit.
Game has been out for 11 years beast
TFW you are so in denial of your crippling inferiority complex that you delude yourself into believing anyone who spends more time and/or is better at the game than you is mentally unwell.
Osrs players when they find out max mage is for high level players: 😱😱😱
What does that have to do with Eternals siphoning damage from any raids setup
Guess I'm mentally unwell. Going to get psychiatric care and put in a request for 6 months of fmla thanks to this diagnosis on reddit
That moment when the only way your brain can rationalise how dogshit you are at the game is to call everyone else mentally unwell.
The game has been designed around him for a decade at this point and he still thinks it's too grindy and elitist and not respecting of his time
Forgive me, but who is this?
Generic noob
The fact that you have more up than down votes alone means Jagex should stop looking for game suggestions on Reddit.
Casuals come and go, "mentally unwell people" stay. Image LoL started balancing the game around bronze players. Game would die within a year.
Balancing the game around people who are sinking 1000 hours+ per year has worked for Jagex and most Multiplayer games in the industry.
What 2% damage on boots do to a mf.
Yeah, I'm sure they're real worried about losing the addicts over a pair of boots.
If LoL balanced around bronze players it would be more popular, it’s still popular either way but it would retain players better. Mind you, anyone with 1k+ hours in league is also mentally unwell.
Just a reminder that wow became the most popular mmo on earth for a long time solely because it was the most casual one on the market with a drop of production value. Ffxiv is its biggest competitor now and is almost exclusively balanced around casuals. That shit gets 4 hard boss fights every 8 months, and the first fight is usually baby’s first step into a hard fight rather than being a challenge.
Like, your argument is just stupid on its face and I’d be embarrassed if I were you.
Casuals come and go, "mentally unwell people" stay. Image LoL started balancing the game around bronze players. Game would die within a year.
They have been for years at this point lol. Every balance patch has their nerf criteria. IE https://images.contentstack.io/v3/assets/blt731acb42bb3d1659/blt0bbaa16da6ba40aa/66063651c095f8c099c6553d/14.7-Patch-Notes-Highlight.jpg
There's almost always a nerf aimed at the low MMR bracket, even it sometimes coincides with higher MMR brackets.
Same
To the guy in the pic: the point is not clicking on the boots. It's the switch you have to drop to make room for them which results in a dps loss in aggregate whether you drop something for eternals or keep the old setups. Nerfs are boring and feel bad. Yesterday's version that buffed max was equally wack. Can we really not come up with a version of this that leaves max in the same spot as before? If not we should bin the whole project imo, and if you want to make boots relevant drop new boots from a new boss. Isn't that an example of the design space we're trying to open up?
Oh no there might be boots that give something other than strength bonus and I might have to adapt... Noooo!!
Wouldn't making new boots drop cause the exact same issue there boss?
New boots cause a need for adaptation without being a direct nerf. That's interesting and leads to worthwhile decision making. This proposal isn't because no matter how much you "adapt" you will be weaker.
What is this boot switch people are talking off? I ctrl + f'd the latest blog post and the only boots I see are eternal boots.
People are pissed that they want to put a part of the occult necklaces nerf into the eternal boots, which would mean to get the same DPS they were getting before while camping primordial boots at raids they'd need to also bring eternal boots, which they currently don't bring. So they'd now have to bring an extra item- the eternal boots.
Personally I think people can just chill and just not bring the boots if they don't want an extra switch???
You don't get it, how will the poor max magers ever survive now that their Shadows only hit 82 instead of 84???
These are exactly the Reddit Andy’s saying this lmfaooo. I’m weak 😭😭😭
But doooood I just want to camp prims in every raid I don't want to have to bring eternal please just leave the best magic boots in the game dog shit and buff my ancestral pleeeeeeease
Truly spoken like an r/2007scape 1500 tlevel iron who only does barrows
Hiscores says: 115 combat, 1976 total main account with highest boss KC being 646 Kraken, and the rest comprising of 50-100 DKs, 61 Graardor, 45, Zammy, 7 Kree, 45 KQ, and 36 Mole.
"I've spent more time in this game than you"
"I have a wife and kids"
Who wins?
Both arguing on reddit, so both giga losers
That is a super old account that I haven't played since around when Zulrah came out but nt
I'm a nearly 2,200 group hardcore that is clinging onto their last hc life
Spoken like someone that doesn't actually care about balance and is okay with the boot slot being complete dog shit for anything other than melee strength
Just let eternals be bad cerb is already a profitable boss without them being good. We can upgrade range/mage boots in the future right now this helps no one but merchers lol.
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We love more dead content
Eternals are BIS for mage either way like calling them dead content is such a stretch. They're just not usually worth the slot over prims but places where you mage only they definitely still have a use. People are just braindead.
Places where you mage only are already weak to magic and therefore using devout boots is better than eternals because the accuracy buff doesn't matter.
Accuracy is still actually notable if you put it in a dps calculator. People just don't care.
Like proselyte does affect your dps while bursting for example, despite them having 1 magic level and +0 bonus
If the accuracy buff doesn't matter then by that logic no magic gear outside of dmg % increases should ever be used at all. The eternal boots are needed to get the highest magic DPS possible that is the point, using devout boots instead still sacrifices magic DPS, even if it's pretty minor.
If the accuracy buff doesn't matter then by that logic no magic gear outside of dmg % increases should ever be used at all.
The difference between eternals and devout boots @ places where you'd be maging is literally a rounding error.
Whisperer for example the difference is 0.04 DPS, or 0.4 seconds a kill, not even a whole ass tick.
You will overall save time using eternals over devout boots regardless they are still BIS for magic. If the components weren't so easy to obtain they would be expensive too. Pegs are also a 'rounding error' but they're 30m because rangers are rare.
No, lol. You actually save more time with devouts in this scenario because you bank less often, which saves more time overall than eternals on average.
Pegs vs rangers vs god hide boots/etc is another can of worms. Yes they suck, yes they should be buffed as well, but then you'd have the same people screeching about having to 3-way boot swap.
Your kill times are still faster with eternals on average at whisperer and anywhere else you use mage. That is still relevant even there, let alone the fact that not every encounter is zero damage like whisperer so prayer is not always the limiting factor either.
Yall are stupid for wanting an eternal buff, this negatively impacts everyone, not just shadow users. Noobs without shadow will be having to do 10 way switches to get max DPS like that's not happening lol. Shadow users still have it better doing 9 ways but nobody wants to do that either. Like get real, accept that yall are morons here.
Yeah got it. Eternals saving me less than 1 tick on average is such a game changer and we're all too stupid to understand that 1 tick per kill is already OP as fuck.
Would you be for changing melee gear to move like +40 strength bonus from armour pieces on to torture?
Whisperer is a 0 damage boss fight if you do it right so you’re just wrong, if you save 1 tick of fighting per kill you still lose out because you save more than 1 tick of prayer per kill- those prayer pots end up doing more saving you banking time in every situation.
Remove arcane from fortified ward then since Corp is already good money without it. Then crank up fortified damage percent to make pre Shadow magic a lot better.
This is very fun logic to apply.
100%
They know I'm right they downvote because they have no counterpoints
Im not doing switches, if that locks me out of content then its just not good content to me.
Cmon kid just a little one way weapon switch. You’ll like it
Naw man once you start switchin you start prayer flicking slayer tasks, its a slippery slope!
This guy's vote counts as much as yours
..i know? and?
If this is a genuine question, the problem is you impact the meta of actual content. And you self-admittedly do not play osrs at all. Which means you should not be affecting the meta of people who actually play the game and do the content that's being affected by these changes
Crazy how all those hours of me playing osrs mean i dont play it at all lol Im allowed not to like having to switch a bunch of gear all the time to enjoy my point and click game mate. I'm allowed to vote how I feel I want to vote when these things come up based on what I want. You do not see me out here telling you you're ruining my fun because you keep voting for switching content and stuff dude. We have different opinions, that's life, deal with it.
Strawmans are epic. Post your raid KCs.
What if they took the proposed eternal boots buff and they put it in NEW content? Not one of the most supply draining bosses released 9 years ago
you sound like an iron who dosnt have the drop.
I have eternal boots.
Me, an intellectual, in vestment robes: 'tis only a single additional switch, my brother in christ
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Petition to give Mole Slippers +10 melee, magic, and ranged str
Of course to balance things the defence stats should be 100 in all areas