Family of Ana Benevides, the fan who passed on Taylor Swift concert, say they didn’t receive any assistance following her death

Approved B-List Users Only

Sorry if this isn’t allowed but its important to bring to light: The family of the fan who passed out during Taylor’s concert is having financial difficulties to bring Ana’s body home (she isn’t from Rio) and that no one on Taylor’s team contacted them.

I know it wasn’t her fault to what happened but as a fan of hers I’m very disappointed the way she and her PR team are distancing themselves from the situation. Not a word to Ana’s family. Not any help. She’s literally a billionaire. Also, in the note she posted on her stories she said Ana passed BEFORE the concert, which is a LIE: Ana fainted during Cruel Summer. She is eximing herself from any responsibility. Previously we thought she was doing things for Ana’s family behind the scenes as she said she wouldnt talk about this on stage, but to know now the show simply went on and that’s it, it’s unbelievable coldness.

Some news on this: https://www.estadao.com.br/amp/emais/gente/pai-mae-fantastico-entrevista-filha-morreu-show-taylor-swift-ana-clara-benevides-video-assistir-nprec/

It’s in portuguese but I don’t think it’s going to take long to reach International news

in Fauxmoiby No-External-4740

6.7K

79%

14d

AutoModerator

14d

This post is currently restricted so that only approved members can comment or post. Please note that your comment may be approved if the moderators feel it adds to the discussion.

To be added as an approved member, please message the mods via modmail by clicking here. We are currently only approving users who have a recent comment history on this sub and do not have a history of rule violations.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

mcgillhufflepuff

5.8K

14d

Makes articles saying Taylor is mourning her fan's loss in American media gross. Reaching/helping out the family is the bare minimum.

The_Bravinator

3.6K

14d

It definitely makes that whole "the reason I won't mention her on stage is because I'm just too sad" ring a little hollow.

Federal_Street_8895

2.2K

14d

Yeah no, I'm sorry but that's definitely BS. It's just an attempt to distance herself from the situation.

maryhadalittlelamb

1.7K

as a bella hadid stan

14d

Honestly i was a little shocked at the positive response from the thread regarding her statement cause that seemed a little…. Convenient. But i thought it was just cause im biased (she annoys me)

Aang6865_

990

14d

Her stans will eat up anything she says, just like how that side is conveniently ignoring Kelce’s bad tweets, everything about this is gross. I was shocked how in her insta statement she had written that the fan passed BEFORE the concert like wtf you’re obviously not sorry you’re just trying to save yourself

Bbychknwing

503

14d

I literally saw a post from a major “meme” page on IG yesterday that was like “Travis Kelce’s old tweets as zodiac signs” or some bs and it was NONE of the bad ones. This is my tinfoil hat theory but I swear her PR team goes to such extreme lengths, wouldn’t doubt if they paid the page to post that so people would find them charming or see that when the search it.

QueenSlartibartfast

13d

There's a whole thread on here about that! Major news outlets were putting out the ~"cutesy"~ ones to flood the search results.

CarAlarming7682

253

14d

And that was not even true! Ana’s friend who was with her at the show gave an interview in which she said that Ana passed out in the middle of cruel summer!

MaracujaBarracuda

13d

It’s so weird how sometime during the pandemic a bunch of people decided to make Taylor Swift their God and religion. She defines who and what is bad or good. She is infallible. They pore over her texts and discuss theories to establish canon. It’s like a QAnon corollary.

plantbay1428

14d

I know there’s already a thread on this, but the push about the Kelce’s tweets changed from being “yikes…this isn’t a good look” to “aw, he’s a human golden retriever/he’s Lance from The Other Two/he’s the himbo or bro representation we always wanted/you focusing on his bad spelling is ableist and you’re the issue” is so obvious right now it’s wild. I feel like the tweets discussion would’ve disappeared otherwise but talking about it even more makes it a Streisand Effect situation.

Jimmy Fallon even made a song about it? Okayyy.

https://people.com/travis-kelce-old-tweets-turned-into-song-by-jimmy-fallon-black-thought-watch-8404459

Federal_Street_8895

594

14d

I like some of her music but I'm very neutral towards her and my reaction to that statement was like "yeah okay, postponing the show makes sense from a practical point of view and I guess she won't be up to performing" but that's it. I wasn't particularly moved by what she had to say about her being sad for Ana and her family and not being able to talk about it because it's like well what else is she gonna say? This was unfortunate but has nothing to do with me? It was all on the venue? There's nothing to say other than this is horribly sad and I'm grieving this happened at my event but I can't say more.

And now this is coming out and I'm always shocked by the amount of people shocked that a billionaire is cold and calculating. Of course she's making decisions with legalities and PR in mind. I'm not saying she's a monster or anything but like this wholesome small town girl image some of her stans of her is just not rooted in reality.

MancAngeles69

161

14d

The statement couldn’t be left to interpretation of her responsibility in the incident. It was like the real life version of Uncle Mo’s funeral in Succession when Connor tries to distance himself in the eulogy.

historyhoneybee

216

14d

I thought that part of the statement was so weird but everyone thought it was great! Why shouldn't she address it, at least telling the crowd she wants everyone to make sure they're safe during the show?

thatwhinypeasant

134

14d

Yeah I was pretty surprised as well. The second paragraph seemed so disingenuous ‘I won’t be able to talk about this on stage because I’m so sad’. Yeah, okay 👌🏾

Bbychknwing

14d

Tbh so much of it was already scrubbed from the “main search” page when I googled it a few days ago it mainly kept coming up with “Taylor Swift tan who she gave her hat to dies of cancer” and those were from like 2022. It was wild that all the information on it was on twitter/Reddit

mcgillhufflepuff

574

14d

Yup. Want to know who is really sad? Ana's family.

SnooGiraffes4091

390

Joffrey Jonas

14d

Yeah I HATED that statement. That’s a cop out. Sometimes you need to be a grown ass adult and address difficult situations, even if they’re “too sad”

dogdogloglog

347

14d

That line shook me. I was like are you fucking kidding? You jazz handed your ass around with how happy you were to date racist Matty but you can't mention a fans death on stage? Piss off.

zucchinibb

134

go pis girl

13d

i never believed that for a second. it makes no sense - she’s too sad to mention her but not too sad to perform an entire set?

gunsof

13d

I saw people on Twitter from Brazil saying articles there said she was holding out for the second show until it became obvious it couldn't go ahead. So she wasn't the one who wanted it stopped.

DivineGoddess1111111

13d

She probably didn't mention her because she forgot her name.

Federal_Street_8895

1.5K

14d

It's possible her/her team are concerned about a potential lawsuit which is why they haven't reached out to the family. I guess offering financial assistance (read compensation) could be used as evidence of guilt/negligence? But it's incredibly gross to be putting out articles in English media about how heartbroken you are.

angrynuggette

816

14d

This is very likely the reason. It's a shame she and her team have to consider being sued a reason to delay reaching out but they don't know this family, their situation (financially or emotionally), or the entire story of what happened.

Even taking TS out of the situation, it's usually suggested when something happens and not all details are available that everyone kind of stay in their corners until things are clear. It avoids any mistakes with intentions or miscommunication.

BestDamnT

542

14d

Fucking excuses. She’s worth a billion dollars and I doubt a lawsuit would even touch her net worth. Never tell me how much she loves her fans when she obviously loves money so much more

Federal_Street_8895

874

14d

I'm not making excuses for her but it's naive to think this woman and her team aren't making moves with the purpose of avoiding legal blowback. Anyone who thinks she's personally invested in millions of fans she hasn't met just doesn't live in the real world. She probably cares in an abstract sense but fans are the ones who develop parasocial relationships not the artist.

frycrunch96

253

14d

This is true but I will say if any artist has a parasocial relationship with their fans it’s Taylor Swift

Her brand is so tied to her fan base and how powerful they are. She holds secret sessions, she handpicks certain fans for events, she sends presents, she’s invited them to bake cookies at her house. She fosters that relationship as much as she can because her fan base MOVES for her. It’s pretty crazy to see. Even on twitter spaces if you’re a fan of Taylor Swift and DARE criticize her, a bunch of other fans will come to her defense and I truly believe it’s because they think she’s seeing all of it and they want to be hand picked for her next thing it’s CRAZY

nuanceisdead

never the target audience

13d

Not to mention how her relationships are built into her brand—her songs about her relationships are fairly transparent in who they’re about, and when it’s not totally clear, a guessing game of clues she puts into the song (e.g. “red scarf”) makes it possible to guess. It kind of reeks like score settling and wanting her fanbase to know who it’s about and take her side. It doesn’t feel like how other artists use their life as inspiration. She also takes her flings on tour to blow kisses and mouth “I love you” at them after barely any time at all. It’s just an ongoing pattern with her, where she needs her life to be the show. The term parasocial almost seems to understate what’s going on there.

BestDamnT

14d

I'm not saying you're making excuses, i figured you were just pointing it out.

theburgerbitesback

428

14d

Very likely.

"Don't say or do anything that could be taken as an admission of guilt" is pretty basic legal advice, even if it can come off as being cold.

yusrak

113

14d

my sister studies brazilian law and she’s been telling me that even if taylor were to give a million dollars to the victim’s family, it would still not be an admission of guilt before brazilian courts.

Mumof3gbb

284

14d

Sure but didn’t Ariana Grande (was it her or someone else?) pay for funerals for people who were shot at a concert she did? I’m so sick of everything having to be so calculated. Like sometimes humanity has to take over. And what’s the risk? A lawsuit? Why? And if she loses she’ll still be a billionaire. There’s no risk but would greatly help Ana’s family.

JenningsWigService

206

14d

There was a rumour that Ariana Grande was paying for the funerals immediately after the bombing but I think it was unsubstantiated. She did put on a benefit concert later on and I think the proceeds went to the victims.

yusrak

209

14d

yeah it was confirmed that each family of the 22 killed received $324,000 after the benefit concert. it was widely reported through multiple outlets that ariana offered to pay for the victims funerals before the concert but we can’t 100% confirm it like the three hundred thousand dollars

therealstabitha

13d

And what’s the risk? A lawsuit? Why? And if she loses she’ll still be a billionaire. There’s no risk but would greatly help Ana’s family.

That's if it's a civil matter. A death at a concert can be charged criminally. If that happened, not only is there the risk of serving time in a Brazilian jail, but she would no longer be able to tour in certain countries including Canada. Musicians with DUIs routinely get barred from entering Canada for any reason, so imagine being charged with negligent homicide.

Mumof3gbb

13d

Ya she’s not going to be charged criminally 😂. Even if she purposely went and killer someone, she’s a billionaire. Nothing would happen. And she didn’t. Might there have been some level of negligence? Maybe. But even then it would be very tiny. She didn’t actually do anything wrong.

therealstabitha

13d

You don't have to have done anything wrong to get charged.

Mumof3gbb

13d

Ya that’s not happening to Taylor

Appleinacoconut

13d

I think the difference is her concert was bombed by terrorists, and Taylor’s concert was because of heat / crowd control / etc.

I’m wondering if it’s because of the Travis Scott / Astro world similarities, in the sense that the artist didn’t really have control over the venue but they still investigated for 18 months with criminal charges looming over him.

screwtoprose-

101

14d

i can’t believe i’m going to say this but didn’t travis scott at least pay for the funeral expenses of those that died at astro world?

like… let’s say she doesn’t do that: not flowers, or a note or anything????? that’s wild to me.

Federal_Street_8895

329

14d

Travis Scott was very obviously liable though and he was in fact sued personally by multiple people. Him paying for funerals was likely an attempt to rehabilitate his image since there was nothing he could to avoid negligence claims.

It's not just lawsuits there's probably an element of PR to it too, she's trying to distance herself from what happened. Whether it's to avoid a lawsuit or avoid being associated with a death at your event, I don't have a lot of sympathy for that perspective even if I can understand it.

tbellfiend

13d

I can't help but wonder how the location where this occurred has impacted her response. The Travis Scott incident happened in the US and the bombing at the Ariana Grande concert was in the UK. I wonder if the fact that this happened in South America is leading TS's team to try to sweep it under the rug more than if it had happened in a primarily English speaking "western" country

angrynuggette

14d

He did, but the initial reaction for each situation is really different. With Travis Scott everyone was pissed at him and blamed him from the start. There were reports of mass crowd-crushing and videos of him hyping the crowd up, even as unconscious concert goers were being crowd surfed out. He needed something to immediately deflect the bad press.

Taylor wasn't seen as the villain (and to be clear, she absolutely should not be). She can't control the heat, there was water available but it was a failure of the event staff to pass it out. And it was the venue that covered the vents.

She was seen as someone trying to improve the situation (directing where to throw water) while Travis was making things worse. There is also something to be said that she's in a foreign country and they her team may not be as up on the legalities of fault in a situation like this. Who would have thought they would need to know? Travis was in the US and his lawyers would have known the civil laws and how much leeway they had to change the narrative.

Ok-Dragonfruit-6521

14d

Ye this is what I've wondered too I also think perhaps there's possibility not just of what you said but that if her family sue the stadium and organisers that the stadium and organisers could then sue Taylor it's already clear they do not want to take responsibility for what they've done. Not only is this incredibly disappointing it's also out of character for Taylor when it comes to fans so it makes me wonder if there's some sort of legal red tape or worries contributing to all this.

Glowing_up

14d

It's more in character for her to sue her fans lbr.

AliMcGraw

13d

At work, I provide support to teams all over the world, something like 78 countries, and Brazil is one of the most difficult. The laws are detailed and highly specific, not enough local lawyers speak English for an American company to be able to move particularly fast (and we have lots of Spanish speaking lawyers on our staff, but only a couple who speak Portuguese), and the bureaucracy is labyrinthine. Things move slowly and it can be hard to get confirmation that we've taken all the correct and necessary steps.

I don't want to excuse Swift or her team, but I do 100% believe that even something as simple as contacting her family could take an unreasonable amount of time, especially if they're outside of Rio.

None of this is intended as criticism of the Brazilian legal system or bureaucracy, more a comment that from experience it can be extremely difficult for American teams to navigate. (And the fact that it's all happening in Portuguese rather than Spanish is a surprisingly large roadblock! We have such a wealth of bilingual English-Spanish Americans who can step in as support if I'm struggling with local regulations in Argentina, but when I need something translated from Portuguese, I have to go through the formal corporate translation channels, which takes FOREVER and their Portuguese support is understaffed anyway.)

(In the era of social media, though, I expect Swift's team could be moving much faster than my team moves, because we're dealing with contracts and highly technical regulations and not a human being and her family.)

96tsuki

692

14d

I just saw that HER FANS were able to donate all the money necessary to cover the costs of transferring Ana's body from Rio to her city, which is great because Ana's mom apparently was borrowing money and going into debt due to all this situation, but it's upsetting to know that Taylor, who is a literal billionaire, was basically exempting herself from this situation and not moving a finger to help her family in any way besides posting a half-assed note on Instagram that didn't even mention Ana's name, singing a song during a concert that was supposedly a tribute even though the girl wasn't mentioned at all, and calling it a day.

Here's the video of Ana's mom thanking the fans who donated the money https://twitter.com/sckberry/status/1726627502553264558?t=kjQA-Vn9VbMRsQExCAJf9w&s=19

springxpeach

218

14d

She probably can't get involved for legal reasons. But it's still a sucky situation, I totally understand the outrage.

Isaidhowdareyou

295

14d

I‘m pretty sure a lawyer chimed in during Astroworld that paying for a funeral or a few heartfelt words to the families wouldn‘t affect any coming lawsuits negatively. If Travis wasn‘t guilty, I don’t see how anyone could succesfully come for Taylor‘s personal money. Edit: my reddit App is wonky today. Someone answered that Travis settled and wasn‘t criminally charged and I wanted to add that this Person was right.

Glowing_up

228

14d

It wouldnt, it couldn't possibly be construed as an admission unless you were a lay person with no representation. It'd take 5 minutes to get her legal team to get something clarifying this is a gesture of goodwill and not an admission of liability. People always got excuses locked and loaded for taylor tho.

Mumof3gbb

146

14d

100% this. She’s not your average Joe. She’s not getting in trouble for this. She needs to step up ffs

eleanorlikesvodka

13d

It's maddening how her fans always portray her as the ultimate girlboss who takes charge of her empire but the second something that implies an ounce of responsibility happens she's just a hapless victim whose hands are tied :(

springxpeach

220

14d

Oh 100% but her PR and legal team are sharks. They used to sue people on Etsy for selling unofficial merch. They probably don't want to "risk" anything that could make her look guilty. And she'd rather listen to them than do the right thing.

haqiqa

213

14d

Yeah no. Ethics should go over legal issues. This is something that in anyway would be drop in a bucket for her, even if she somehow would end up paying for it. And if she ends up paying for it, it means that she somehow was more responsible than we are aware of. In that case, it would be the right thing to end up paying for it.

There is also research that actually acting in a benevolent way in these situations will make being sued less likely if we need a cold hard factual reason to act ethically in this situation.

I don't even hate her nor she annoys me. I am literally now listening to one of her songs. I want to like her. But I can't. For things like this.

springxpeach

237

14d

She isn't well-known for her ethics, let's be honest.

haqiqa

14d

She isn't. Which is one of the main things why I can't like her. But the thing here is that we can't give passes for shitty things. I am not surprised she acted this way, unfortunately. The question is how we should perceive her actions. Legal does not go over ethics.

Federal_Street_8895

115

14d

There is also research that actually acting in a benevolent way in these situations will make being sued less likely

This is why apology legislation was introduced in many jurisdictions when it comes to medical malpractice. Just saying you're sorry significantly lessens the the likelihood of action taken against you.

haqiqa

100

14d

Exactly. I am pretty sure not reaching out to grieving families will make you likelier to be sued. Giving even something like 5 figures to this family is a drop in a bucket for her and a huge amount for the family. She already has given hundreds of thousands to legal expenses of someone else, bonuses for her crew and charity. Giving something to the grieving family of a fan who died in your concert is simply the right thing to do.

Federal_Street_8895

14d

Yeah I mean there's no law that says you can't reach out before you're sued but it is common legal advice to wait and to avoid speaking public at least, especially when things are murkier and facts haven't been established yet. This just happened, it's possible she'll reach out later which I'm sure her stans will take as a sign of her infinite generosity but it's important to keep in mind that even if she does reach out and pay the family some money, it wouldn't be entirely out of altruistic reasons.

Mumof3gbb

14d

Where is it common legal advice? I think this is actually bs. Maybe on tv and movies but in real life this isn’t true

CarAlarming7682

14d

Damages in Brazil are a joke even by our own standards, those multi million amounts people can get in the US are extremely rare here. If this even goes to trial it would end up being a few hundred thousand dollars (and I’m being generous here) and it would be divided by all the other companies involved in the show. It’s not an insignificant amount for the family, but basically pennies to Taylor Swift. It would be more of a PR nuissance to her, but since it’s in Brazil, I even doubt the US media would care all that much, tbh, I got a sense that Ana’s death wasn’t given much coverage anyway considering the amount of attention this tour and Taylor herself are given.

HolidayNothing171

14d

This is exactly why the law doesn’t allow her paying to used against her. Swifties are just stupid and don’t know anything

g00fyg00ber741

349

14d

And it’s insane because so many are jumping to this billionaire’s defense. Like this girl died during her concert due to the negligence of the production company she hired. Taylor probably didn’t make that hiring decision herself but she’s got to at least be partially responsible for that considering it’s her tour and that’s how she makes her billions. And after learning the production company she used banned water to charge for it, when the venue itself does not ban water, that’s crazy. Imagine being so distanced from your fans (your source of income) that you don’t even make sure they have water to watch you perform for hours in a crowded 140°F room. Her fans and defenders can keep acting like she is at no fault whatsoever, and I’m not saying she’s directly responsible, but clearly her financial decisions helped lead to this horrid and sad outcome.

therealstabitha

105

13d

This is an awful tragedy, but small point of order -- Taylor did not hire the production company. In touring, it's the other way around. The venue books the talent and pays them. Taylor did not rent the venue and was not in charge of who was producing the event.

Glowing_up

274

14d

It's honestly gross to me that I'm being recommended twitter threads where they're saying how brave she is for being able to sing while a fan died and they respect her so much more as a person.

Like Harry, Adele, even Billie eilish I think have stopped to ensure the safety of one fan. Reportedly thousands were fainting at her concert, I think it'd be more commendable to pause the set until everyone was comfortable, or at least safe.

Im very anti Taylor tho as she's extremely self serving like others have noted, claiming she died before the concert started and not addressing it openly is just to temper backlash.

MancAngeles69

14d

It probably somehow opens her up to a lawsuit. She probably can’t even say her name. It’s appallingly inhumane

Mumof3gbb

145

14d

Even if that were true, that shouldn’t matter. Losing a lawsuit wouldn’t even make a dent in billions. There’s literally no risk for her. It’s not hard to do the right thing especially when your brand is that you’re such an amazing person.

MancAngeles69

14d

Oh I absolutely agree. I’m saying she’s appallingly inhumane to put her money over a dead fan

Mumof3gbb

14d

I figured you agreed. I’m just so sick of that argument even being put out there ya know? It’s no excuse.

_chrislasher

13d

Ariana was so decent by reaching out to victims of Manchester shooting at her concert. Travis Scott and Taylor are the best example that these millioners/billioners don't see regular people as human beings. Fame & greed destroys many celebrities/uber rich people. I don't think it's the case for all of them, but still.

Kate4everBae

2.9K

14d

Also, in the note she posted on her stories she said Ana passed BEFORE the concert, which is a LIE: Ana fainted during Cruel Summer. She is eximing herself from any responsibility.

this is some really fishy behavior. and not even contacting her family? i hope this gets attention.

Ok-Dragonfruit-6521

1.4K

14d

I think this is more a case of misinformation than Taylor intentionally lying I saw multiple different reports on when she passed out some said during the opener others and that by the time Taylor was on she was already on hospital another one I saw said it was as she came into the stadium before anyone was on stage and apparently Brazilian press even reported the same as Taylor at the beginning from my understanding no one knew the exact time she passed until her cousin or friend confirmed it. Taylor's statement only came a few hours after it became public knowledge I genuinely think the exact time this all happened wasn't known yet.

angrynuggette

917

14d

This is why I don't understand people getting all up in arms that TS hasn't reached out to the family yet. She made one statement, hours after it happened when not all the information was available, and people are attacking her for messing up the timing (which was being misreported at that time). It makes complete sense that while everyone is overcriticizing her words and actions that she take a step back and wait for more information.

dodgerswschamps_2020

371

14d

And now whatever she does end up doing for the family, people will just say it's only due to backlash. It's all so predictable.

Ok-Dragonfruit-6521

14d

Yeah it's a very awful situation all round and even if Taylor had connected the family and offered financial assistance like many assumed I’m sure she still would have done things that people wouldn't have agreed with there's no perfect way to handle a situation like this.

Ok-Dragonfruit-6521

14d

I do understand why people are upset especially Brazilian fans and those who where there it's an incredibly sad and upsetting situation and maybe had presumed (myself included) that Taylor had already reached out to the family and perhaps offered legal support I think why people are so upset is because it's incredibly unlike Taylor(something you can't really fault her on is treatment of fans) which is actually why for me at least I’m sure this partly to do with legal things she's gonna have to be so careful with what she says I'm sure everything is being double checked with lawyers which I presume is partly why she won't speak about it on stage. I think at least for now with a legal case looming it's better for her to be safe than sorry with what she says and I truly think the mistake in her original statement was just that. Like I said it's an awful situation that's probably a lot bigger than people and while Taylor could help in ways and do more than she's reported to have done I can't imagine any of this is easy for her.

caddyrossum

455

14d

Exactly. She passed out during the 2nd song!

grinchofgreengables

14d

Doesn’t Cruel Summer have fireworks or fire or something? Curious to know if she skipped them because of the heat on night one. Because if she didn’t, then she/her team/the organizers should be considered partly responsible.

laisdavid

515

14d

Bad blood has fires and they continued even though the heat was awful. I was there

grinchofgreengables

161

14d

I am so sorry to hear that, and I’m sorry that your concert experience has become linked with so many difficult things. I hope you’re taking it easy and recuperating.

bittylilo

114

stan prosecutor

14d

It has “steam,” but they don’t raise the temperature, or at least there was no change in temp from the 7th row at the concert I attended. There is fire during Bad Blood that considerably raises the temp, and I hope she skipped it in Brazil after night 1 when fans were trying to get her/her team’s attention and say that the rise in temp was incredibly uncomfortable

Lunadelmar1

134

14d

I went to the mexico city concert, it was a cold night and I actually felt the temperature raising a little bit for some mins.

BestDamnT

101

14d

she apparently didn't skip the fire in bad blood..

themachine1234

14d

From what I know pyros were off on night two in Rio (Sunday). But on on Friday, which considering the temperatures, was definitely the wrong move.

caddyrossum

2.0K

14d

She’s distancing herself from the situation. I’ve seen a lot of stans saying she has no obligation to help, but she could be a little kind and help them. It’s not like it’s too hard to do that. Also, not even a small tribute in the concert last night in Rio. She is appearing really cold towards her fans here Brazil.

nonsensestuff

1.9K

14d

Ariana Grande technically had no obligation to do anything for the victims of the attack at her concert (it's not like she caused it) but she did something anyway.

smashing_aisling

2.0K

14d

Ariana went above and beyond, paying for all the funerals, visiting victims in hospital, and organising a benefit concert within days of the attack despite having PTSD herself. This is a terrible look for Taylor.

Edit: thank you Swifties for my first Reddit cares ❤️

SnooGiraffes4091

1.3K

Joffrey Jonas

14d

Yeah I don’t like miss ponytail anymore but the way she powered through that personal trauma to be there for her fans is always going to be admirable.

MancAngeles69

854

14d

Ariana Grande will always have my respect for how she worked with the community after the attack on her concert. It meant a lot to the city.

PmMeLowCarbRecipes

270

14d

I do remember Ariana got a lot of flack in the days straight after the attacks though (unfairly). She flew back to America immediately and people gave her shit for not staying in Manchester. Once she started visiting the victims and did her One Love concert she was praised (as she should have been).

atschinkel

238

14d

ariana also donates christmas gifts to kids in manchester hospitals every single year. i know people are mad at her (rightfully so) but she continues to do right by that community.

hkj369

155

13d

ariana is clearly not a perfect person but i still have so much respect for her after manchester. that was such a tragedy and she did SO much for the victims and their families. i remember being amazed at how quick she and her team started to try and pick up the pieces. i would have been catatonic after experiencing something like that

bittershrapnel

14d

Yes! I may no longer follow Ariana after her deciding to hook up with dude with brand new baby, but when it comes to the Manchester, she not only helped financially, but truly was there, powered though her own fear, talked and wrote about it. I believe that the families of Manchester victims were not only helped out financially with the funerals but also received free psychological care. Here we got some "I'm too sad to talk about it on stage" BS. This is the women idolized all around the world for her presumed "kindness"?

alexturnerftw

13d

Ariana was zero percent at fault too. I feel like Taylor is trying to save herself here which is insane considering someone died. She can afford the lawsuit…

loulou-v

14d

Exactly.

belladorka

700

14d

Of course she’s under zero obligation but she’s not hurting for money. She has how many private jets circling the globe? It’s the bare minimum.

And when you consider that this girl spent what I imagine to be a lot of money to see 1.5 songs, it’s really cold. Just a reminder that most of these celebs truly don’t care about their fans the way they claim they do. I feel for her family.

UnnaturalSelection13

487

14d

Yeah tbh as a literal billionaire she does have a moral obligation to help them imo. Everyone knows that funeral costs etc are expensive for the average person, so as someone with more money than she could ever possibly spend it's really shocking to me that someone wouldn't reach out in this situation.

champagneface

628

14d

Of course technically nobody has any obligation to anyone if we want to live in a cold and disconnected society, but for someone who cultivates an image of caring about her fans (at least based off all the comments I see on TT’s saying she does), you’d think it would be a no brainer to help the family out.

Anxious-Basket

14d

It's not a no-brainer though. Providing compensation to one family could be used against her in any other lawsuit that comes out of this.

champagneface

335

14d

I’m sure she’d still manage just fine 🤷‍♀️

Luna_Soma

476

14d

People mention how she has no obligation to help, but not only is she incredibly wealthy, meaning she can afford to do so, but also, she fosters these parasocial relationships with her fans all the time when it benefits her. She's literally had people over for cookies at her house so they can listen to her new music. She works hard to create a relationship with her fans and make them see her as a friend. But it seems she only does this when it can paint her in a positive light.

She can do something for this poor girl's family. The venue is responsible for what happened, but as a human, Taylor should've done the kindness of reaching out at the bare minimum.

haqiqa

180

14d

She is also a billionaire partially because of questionable capitalist money grabs. For example, the ticket prices (although that is partially out of her hands) are pretty steep but even more troubling is the bazillion collector item records. While it is a genius way to get fans to buy your records, it is also problematic.

bittershrapnel

310

14d

It's bad for her brand as a sweet silly all-american girl in love, so she won't engage in this in any other form than this instagram note (btw so many people believed it's handwritten and thus heartfelt while it's just a customized font and the text was surely just a curated message her team came up with)

otraera

131

14d

idk whats worse thinking that was her actual handwriting or choosing that as her font of choice.

theresagray17

288

rich white coochie mountain

14d

As a Brazilian this doesn’t surprise me at all. Granted it was a smaller issue compared to someone’s death, but when we had problems with tickets here in Brazil we didn’t hear a pip from her or her team.

Her stories regarding ticketmaster’s mess is triple in size compared to her story regarding Ana.

localgoss

271

14d

taylor swift is a capitalist first and foremost. she’s protecting herself ahead of the inevitable lawsuit, which i imagine she’ll settle.

flimsypeaches

213

14d

imho she does have an obligation to help. she is a billionaire. she could pay for the funeral and then cut the family a check so they don't have to worry about how to pay their bills in this immediate period while they're grieving and it would be less than a drop in the bucket for her.

I've seen people mention her trying to avoid a civil lawsuit but even that couldn't come close to touching her personal wealth or brand. it's just greed. it's impossible to become a billionaire without being incredibly greedy and exploiting people.

kystarrk

160

14d

There's no obligation but there's a moral code. And I bet those fans would expect her to help if it happened to THEM.

lpycb42

105

14d

She absolutely has obligation to pay or try to reach out. This person paid hundreds to go see her show in a dangerous set up. She should’ve postponed it to begin with and didn’t.

PrettyAlligator

13d

It’s incredibly disheartening to see and I’m not even a “Swiftie”. I don’t know how some celebrities can be so cold towards fans when they have the means to help. And I know legally there’s stuff she may be advised not to do, but wow it would probably take way more than a lawyer to stop me from helping the family out as much as I could. Say what you will about Ariana but she really tried to help out the victim’s families after Manchester, and even though she has questionable morals, I’ll always respect that about her.

Like I’m a nobody, just a random healthcare worker and I so badly wish I could go above and beyond to help some patients I meet sometimes. I wish I could pay the rent for the single mom of 2 that got diagnosed with rectal cancer, just so she could focus on healing for her kids. Or the funeral expenses for the wonderful dad I watched deteriorate due to brain cancer, and left behind his wife and kids.

So sad for Ana and her family, and the rest of her fans in Brazil. My cousin even said “I’m glad I couldn’t get tickets because I would hate to know I was there when another fan died, it would’ve ruined the entire memory of the show”

Normal-person0101

2.0K

14d

Taylor's team did not contact Ana's family to offer condolences, send flowers or anything and yesterday at the show not even to mention Ana's name in the "tribute"

Her fans in Brazil raised the money to bring Ana's body from RJ to MT because the family did not have money for the transfer

UnnaturalSelection13

1.2K

14d

Her fans in Brazil raised the money to bring Ana's body from RJ to MT because the family did not have money for the transfer

This is actually so upsetting. As if this poor family didn't have enough to worry about already, they also had to worry about how they would afford to transport their loved one's body? This is not okay.

princessohio

227

local formula 1 correspondent

14d

That’s so fucking sad. Imagine not being able to afford to bring your daughter home. Makes me sick — I can’t imagine what her family is going through.

Bless the fans who raised money to return her to her family so she can rest peacefully. ❤️

Outrageous_Newt7366

225

as a bella hadid stan

14d

That is truly awful ☹️

curiousbeetle66

it feels like a movie

14d

Let's not forget that her fans also organized a mass donation with a priest in order to have the Junior Jewels shirt projected onto the Christ the Redeemer monument.

They went above and beyond to pay an homage to Taylor and to show her love. And they organized the fundraiser for the funeral + transfer costs for Ana's body. It shouldn't be on them, but they did it anyway. That's solidarity. That's kindness. They know nothing can bring Ana back to life, but it can bring comfort to her family knowing that their daughter's life meant something, and that she was loved by many.

Honestly the brazilian swifties are blowing me away with their generosity and organization when it comes to this tragedy.

tayloline29

1.6K

14d

Isn't Taylor a billionaire with a private plane??

kystarrk

645

14d

I thought she had 2?

demonsrunwhen

436

It's..... Rebekah Vardy's account.

14d

yes she has 2!

CurrentRoster

13d

2 billion or 2 private jets? The answer to both is probably yes

SoGenuineAndRealMadi

women’s wrongs activist

13d

Are billionaires capable of having empathy?

tayloline29

13d

No because their only purpose at that point is to make more so that they can make more money. They aren't doing anything innovated, progressive, researching and in acting in ways to reduce human suffering and misery and are only adding to that. They are making money to compete with other fuck ton wealthy people and it disgusting.

Money can't buy happiness but it is can solve a fuck ton of problems and they just sit on their dragon hoard of gold while people starve and die in the streets.

bruxellexs

1.2K

14d

The Update Swift Brasil on Twitter/X that’s run by fans mobilized, got in contact with Ana’s family, organized a crowdfunding action and got enough donations to cover all costs. I know it wasn’t Taylor’s fault, but it’s so sad to see fans stepping up instead of her team and the event organizer T4F. https://x.com/updateswiftbr/status/1726592717613150612?s=46&t=o8Pm6jqtP5Ivlj7IjqcC8A

florinzel

109

13d

It is partially her fault. It was her concert. She and her team could have cancelled because of the horrible weather. Or at least, inquired about the concertgoers conditions. They didn’t. They didn’t even think of turning off the pyrotechnics

Bleuberries6

904

14d

Billionaires are not good people, period.

yusrak

262

14d

exactly. i don’t understand how people are defending this like; you don’t think it’s wrong that a family had to resort to crowdfunding to bring their daughter's body back to them despite her death occurring during a concert held by someone worth billions of dollars? you don’t think it’s wrong that the billionaire hasn't even taken the initiative to reach out to the grieving family within almost 3 days, even though they had enough clarity to ‘dedicate’ a song to the victim, without even mentioning her name?

Bleuberries6

13d

Yup!! "Well she could be seen as taking repsonsibility" like she doesn't have the money and image power to circumvent that come on, she just doesn't want to risk the money loss.

chrkrose

735

14d

I was downvoted into oblivion because I pointed out that Taylor's behavior has been horrendous in another thread, and this was before I even knew she hadn't said a word to Ana's family. Her whole posture aims to distance herself from this situation as much as possible. But oh she sang "bigger than the whole sky" and "if you know Taylor and her way of saying things without saying" then it's "enough" s/.

Ana has a name, she has a family. Taylor's "pain" is nothing compared to what her family is going through.

rowenaellis

14d

Thank you.

BeanEireannach

705

as a bella hadid stan

14d

Oh gosh, the poor woman & her family 💔

I don't know how the legal system works in South America (or North America), would Taylor/Taylor's people helping Ana's family be some sort of admission of liability? I'm not saying Taylor etc. should be liable, because obviously I don't know enough... I'm just wondering what on earth would be the reasoning for such a wealthy person to not help in this situation.

blackbird9184

763

14d

I have a feeling she’s been told by her lawyers in no uncertain terms she’s not to make contact or speak on this until they get things sorted out. I think they’re trying to figure out how much of this is the event company’s fault or if Taylor can be held liable. Not saying it’s right, but it’s not surprising for one of the richest, most famous people on the planet

CarAlarming7682

14d

I don’t know much about cases like this, but I don’t think that’s how things work here, it’s more likely that helping the family would be viewed favourably by a judge and the fact that her team did nothing and the family had to cover all of the expenses might increase the the amount she would eventualy had to pay (which is highly unlikely to even happen, the blunt of the responsability falls on the brazilian promoters - T4F - and the venue administration), so in my opinion there’s very little risk for her personally.

meatball77

face blind and having a bad time

13d

It's only been three days, one business day. There's obviously legal stuff that needs to be figured out that will take more than a couple hours.

If it was a month or even two weeks later then sure, but business doesn't run at the speed of light.

eoljjang

615

14d

Could this possibly be because Taylor’s team is trying to not take any accountability? Either way, super disappointing to not support the family during this time.

theresagray17

324

rich white coochie mountain

14d

Someone who works in PR said she might be distancing herself from that. Still, any help she might give is a blow in the wind compared to the money she has/is able to lose in a potential lawsuit

septimus897

13d

Maybe this is naive of me but someone died!!!!! TS is such a massive pop star she can afford to take the PR hit (even though she'd probably get a boost instead if she offered condolences or offered the funds to transfer the money)

diabolikal__

100

14d

I think this is likely. In her statement she already distanced herself from it by saying she passed before the show when she actually passed during the second song.

supersoot99

191

14d

I don't necessarily think that was her distancing herself, it was just what was reported at the time. I read the initial articles about the incident and this is the first I've heard it happened during Taylor's set.

Amar_Akbar_Anthony20

556

go pis girl

14d

I feel really bad for Ana and her family. I hope it reaches International news.

Shookfern

478

taylor’s jet

14d

I remember once during her rained out concert, how people were praising her for continuing in the weather and "magic rainfall". Which ignored the many complaints of people who were injured, left freezing, and had to wait it out. There was a comment about how Taylor wouldn't cancel a show (due to weather) unless someone died. At this point in the climate crisis, I hope she reads the extreme changes in weather while flying home every night on her private jet. I mean she won't but oof.

Edit: Here's the comment from someone who went to her Nashville show. It shows that this is sort of weather related "no cancel" kind of thing.

"It was raining when I got to the stadium Friday and a lot of people were huddled onto the concourse trying to stay dry. We ended up in a huge traffic jam (because of people standing to stay out of the rain + the lines for merch, concessions, and bathrooms all intermixing) and it was very uncomfortable. I cannot imagine having to stand there like that for literal hours just to see a concert, and it’s kind of incredible that more people weren’t hurt. I heard people were passing out and getting sick, the concert was amazing but I don’t think any experience is worth all that."

Fun-Loss-4094

14d

More people with these kind of experiences need to speak up. Not just for Taylor but other artists too. We all need to think about our security too.

Fun-Loss-4094

401

14d

Some of you are so insensitive in replies. A PERSON DIED and the family is suffering. "smart to not say anything??? Lawyers advised ro not say anything???" you are billionaire, one tweet and thousands of people supporting you and you can't send a little money to the family?? She can do it anonymously too.

element-woman

13d

Exactly this. I don’t believe sending flowers that say “I’m sorry for your loss” has ever been used as an admission of guilt. Maybe I’m wrong and someone will find a case where that’s true, but I doubt it. Expressing condolences costs nothing. I also imagine her lawyers could easily draft some agreement to pay for the transport of Ana’s body with the family signing that that’s not an admission of guilt.

Also, the person saying “it’s only been one business day!” as if a billionaire’s lawyers don’t work 24/7 under these circumstances, like come on.

Fun-Loss-4094

13d

And sending flowers doesn't mean you are guilty. The girl was her FAN!!! And she died so as an idol can't she send a grief message to the family? Like this is so inhumane. And people defending her saying she doesn't owe anything and coming for Brazilian who have right for stand for someone who belonged to their country.

ciLoWill

13d

So I’m not disagreeing with you re: taylor, there was definitely a more humane way she could’ve handled this, but I do feel like I should point out that there’s laws in the USA explicitly making apologies and condolences inadmissible exactly because people used to use “I’m sorry for your loss” as admissions of guilt all the time- especially when suing doctors who lost patients.

No one here seems to be an expert on Brazilian law (VERY much including myself in that)- they may not have such exemptions in their legal code.

septimus897

13d

the cult of personality around TS is crazy to me. Like not only are Swifties constantly babygirlifying her they project this entirely-altruistic, can-do-no-wrong image onto her that then reflects on how they talk about her music, business practices, relationships, etc etc

Revolutionary_Onesy

294

14d

I’ve seen some swifties saying it’s a legal matter that she can’t help. Genuinely asking is that true?

kutherine

781

14d

Not a swiftie, but it probably is actually a legal matter. Her offering money to the family could be viewed (and possibly argued in a court) as her taking responsibility for the death or admitting fault. This isn’t quite the same, but when I worked in retail, if a customer got injured in our store, we were allowed to help but we weren’t ever allowed to apologize, because that would be seen as the store taking responsibility for what happened, giving them grounds to sue.

senderfairy

150

14d

As you said yourself, you were allowed to help but not apologize. The least Taylor can do is help Ana's family. It's not an admission of guilt in any court of law to donate money and assistance. She's a billionaire, she has the legal resources to know this--she is avoiding this purely for PR reasons to distance herself and not take accountability, otherwise she'd have sent the family money. It was at her concert--come on...

kutherine

365

14d

Trust me, I’m the last person to defend Taylor Swift, but I have no doubt that she has an army of lawyers behind her advising her not to do anything that could even be construed as admitting fault, whether that be a public statement, personal condolences to the family, or even sending flowers. Legally, it’s always better to say nothing than to say something that could potentially be used as evidence in a court of law. I would never speak to the police without a lawyer present for the same exact reason.

UnnaturalSelection13

105

14d

Okay but like Taylor Swift is a literal billionaire with an entire legal team, I think she can afford to take that "risk" to help out a struggling grieving family and argue that it was a donation made on compassionate grounds to help a fan.

kutherine

215

14d

I think the billion dollar legal team are the ones advising her to stay silent. Legally, it’s always better to say nothing than to say or do something that can be used as evidence against you, even in a civil lawsuit.

UnnaturalSelection13

14d

Well obviously, but her conscience should override that advice. We all understand why she would want to distance herself from this legally, but a grieving family literally cannot afford to bring their daughter home and that is more important.

kutherine

14d

Well yeah, it should, but someone with the abhorrent level of greed Taylor Swift possesses would never do something to risk their money. There’s lots of money on the line for hundreds of other people on her team as well. She didn’t become a billionaire by acting on her conscience. She did it by making ruthless decisions in the pursuit of fame and wealth. This is just one of those decisions. It’s awful, but that’s the way the world works.

belladorka

278

14d

I don’t know. I feel like that’s a weak argument. Even Travis Scott paid for his fan’s funeral expenses. And he had a lot of pending lawsuit pressure.

Luna_Soma

122

14d

Even if that's true, she can reach out. She can send a note and flowers and do what she is able to do. being silent speaks volumes.

Anxious-Basket

264

14d

Not a Swiftie by any means, but it seems like the whole thing was a mess and she may be opening herself up to legal liability in this particular situation. I'd imagine a lot of lawsuits are coming and providing financial assistance in this case could be seen as taking responsibility when it's still unclear the role the venue and organizers played. She's being told to keep quiet and it's smart.

But the parasocial relationship her fans have with her is creating a PR headache (ie OP here saying she knows Taylor isn't to blame while also being disappointed she's distancing herself from responsibility).

dragonculture

340

never the target audience

14d

She's being told to keep quiet and it's smart.

I am in a daze of frustration reading post after post of "Not a Swiftie" individuals (which is becoming sus) substitute decency for a smart business move. If Swift is going to treat her fans like liabilities, even when they are dead, then I am glad to have never been a fan. Smart move.

champagneface

14d

Well said!

Moderator removed comment

14d

Moderator removed comment

14d

dragonculture

never the target audience

14d

Maybe it is a bit naive of me to say this, but I tend to first believe that any good-natured person would be mortified by a death of someone they call a fan. The humanity of an individual always seems to show in times like these, and as her verbal/written responses are very "Taylor-ed", her actions are extremely telling.

icestormsea

236

stan someone? in this economy???

14d

She needs that money for her 2 private planes, guys. /s

It’s disgusting to talk about “mourning” the loss of Ana and literally doing nothing to help her family. I’ve said it all along, Taylor Swift is absolute trash.

sexypizza42069666

232

14d

I’ve been so disappointed with her actions lately, and this to me, seems like the final straw. To know that a fan died at your show, and to not even extend the most basic human decency, is just gross. How can a person go on and dance on stage as though nothing has happened? To not even speak one sentence about her death, to not even mention her name, to not contact her family and express her so-called “overwhelming grief” is just callous. I try to remind myself that celebrities and the rich have very skewed morals/ethics, but this is just so disappointing. And then to see fans stick by her and pretend like singing a song on stage is a perfect tribute. Like???

Fun-Loss-4094

187

14d

I don't think she's gonna say anything because many of her fans and people claimed now she will talk about climate change after the heat but y'all forgot this is the same woman who has insane carbon emissions.

slutzilla13

13d

Someone got roasted on the original post for bitching about her carbon footprint but they were right

SnooGiraffes4091

Joffrey Jonas

14d

Lmao so true

coffeewithmilk-

168

14d

This is so disheartening honestly i feel so sorry for her family, fans be flying across borders just to see their favourite artist taylor should’ve atleast take addressed the family

MeeranQureshi

166

14d

Billionaires are not good people.The rich always hurt the poor.

loulou-v

152

14d

I was never able to engage with anything related to her because I always found everything extremely calculated. Unfortunately, this only confirms the perception I have always had. Other artists who have been in a similar situation have done something. Is she obligated? No, but that shows how people are, especially someone with so much money.

There are still a few shows for her to at least mention Ana's name, if that's too much to ask.

sweetrebel88

144

14d

Is it me or does it seem like the American media is rarely talking about this? If this situation would’ve happened to any other popstar, we’d be bombarded with non stop coverage of it

SakuraTacos

14d

They wouldn’t dare! The news media is beholden to two fandoms: Trumpers and Swifties

likeitironically

136

14d

When will people realize she doesn’t give a shit about anyone but herself and her piles of money. How much more shitty behavior does she have to exhibit?

resolutecat

130

friend with a bike

14d

Can't wait to see how the non-Portuguese speaking swifties deliberately misunderstand this to make this poor family into villains. I love ✨ xenophobia ✨ .

Also the way people are already rushing to defend her for not giving money bc it could lead to litigation. First of all, I doubt there's very many people saying this that are familiar w Brazilian laws on the matter. Secondly, what does it matter? She's a billionaire. Who cares if she loses a lawsuit because she helped Ana's family. She could release a song on four different coloured vinyls and she'd make that money back. And above all, why not at least call them?

I love her music (unfort lol) but I don't understand the need to make excuses for everything.

wallsnbridges

13d

People are also assuming the family would pursue legal action. Idk about them, but I’d be terrified going up against the Swift corporate machine. Taylor is in the stronger position on all accounts.

chrkrose

13d

Oh, a lot of international swifties are shitting all over Brazilian fans for daring to speak up. The fans were organizing a tribute to Ana after Champagne Problems by either staying silent or chanting her name, and international swifties were saying Brazilian fans didn’t “deserve Taylor” and were trying to “traumatize her”. Some of them even calling Brazilians “monkeys” of course. Cause why not add a bit of racism to the whole thing.

atty_hr

126

14d

I am an attorney and depending on everything going on legally I could see her attorneys advising her not to do much. I think things could change as they assess the situation but I imagine this is very complicated. Lawyers typically air on the side of caution so I would probably advise her not to do much at this time as well. Not saying that it is right or wrong as to how she is handling the situation, but even with her having tons of money who knows what liability she could open herself up to. I also think her singing bigger than the whole sky was part of her tribute. The way she is saying she can't talk about it live makes me think her legal team has advised her to remain silent until they have a better idea what to do. Again, not to say right or wrong.

noirdaisy

116

14d

Thank you for the reminder that there are NO ethical billionaires. This is truly disheartening and disturbing on every level. She is undoubtedly distancing herself for legal reasons, but that doesn’t make it any less disgusting. If anything, this is a perfect claim for joint negligence. The least Taylor could’ve done is reach out… and I would throw in funeral expenses. May this young beautiful woman rest in peace.

lachamaquitabonita

14d

I grow to despise this performative goose more and more every day

blanchebeans

14d

I’m personally not surprised.

LisaFrankRealness

14d

I wouldn't be surprised if her legal team advised against it.

ewwwwsocializing

14d

I can't even imagine what her family must be feeling Ana was to young and beautiful to pass away so young. May she rest in peace and her family get some closure. And even if Taylor claims she didn't knew or she can't face the situation. She should giddy up and help the family. It's not about being a billionaire or a celebrity it's about being a human.

Illustrious_Coyote83

14d

i think its legally smart to distance herself. the girl fainted during the show, taylor saw the desperate situation people were going throught, the fact she was throwing water supports that.

rowenaellis

139

14d

“Never be so clever, you forget to be kind”

friends-waffles-work

apartheid clyde

13d

Throwing a few water bottles is hardly helpful when hundreds of people have fainted and many needed urgent medical attention.

And it may be legally smart to distance herself, but is it morally right? Ana was an individual and a fan.

discoquebrad0

13d

Some of the tweets I've seen today in regards to this... what the hell happened to basic decency and human compassion, stan culture really rots people's brains/brings out the worst in people.

MomofPandaLover

14d

Step up Taylor ASAP!

No_Scarcity4145

14d

When did she post her story? She wrote she wouldn’t be able to talk about it on stage so was it after the Rio show or before?

chromaticaborn

14d

She posted on Saturday I think, after the first show when Ana died, but there are 2 more shows in Rio and 3 in São Paulo

springxpeach

14d

It's definitely her legal team speaking. Doesn't excuse anything though.

theresagray17

rich white coochie mountain

14d

By the way, there’s a show of xenophobia on twitter right now.

why-are-we-here-7

13d

Where’s the venue in all this? They should be stepping up for hosting an unsafe event.

rowenaellis

14d

I’m so disappointed at her. I watched a live of her concert yesterday in Rio and not a single word about Ana.

I’m going to her concert today (the one who was postponed last minute) and I’m finding it hard to leave it aside and just have fun.

tswiftzzlez

13d

I’ve been listening to Taylor’s music since I was 10, I’m 20 now and next week I’ll be attending her concert for the first time ever, although I’ve NEVER idolized her this is so so upsetting to me it makes me want to give up on my tickets. She wrote a fucking essay when US swifties couldn’t get tickets to The Eras, she wrote less than a paragraph about this girl’s DEATH. I get that she might be grieving, but what about the fan’s family? What about their grief? She was their ONLY daughter for crying out loud. She literally gave her life to see Taylor live and Taylor couldn’t bother speaking her name on stage? Helping her family? Send them her condolences? Flowers? A note? Anything? Even if she can’t speak publicly for whatever legal reason she can STILL help those people. It’s inhumane. Reaching out to the family is the bare minimum. IF I attend the show on saturday I’m aware that if I lost my life there for whatever reason she wouldn’t care. It sounds like international fans lives don’t matter, nothing matters at this point only her feelings and her tour. I’m beyond heartbroken (sorry for the rant btw)

SoGenuineAndRealMadi

women’s wrongs activist

13d

My heart is broken for Ana’s family. This is just devastating 💔

It’s unbelievably kind of the fans to raise money to bring back Ana’s body to her family and at the same time I’m extremely disappointed in Taylor as she proves once again that she does not care about anyone or anything outside of herself. I’ve been extremely disappointed in the way many famous musicians have handled these tragic events during their concerts in the last few years in general. And I know it was not the same situation, but my respect for Ariana for how she handled everything after Manchester has only continued to go up. She was so young back then too and was able to do what she could at the time for the grieving families and she continues to give back to Manchester to this day which is commendable

popcornpaw

14d

Damn, I thought for sure she was in contact with the family; and just sort of figured she checked with them if they even wanted her to sing bigger than the whole sky. how incredibly dissapointing

icebbyc

14d

I always thought she cared about her fans (I remember her donating money to her fans during the pandemic), this is truly a let down. Specially because what happened was a tragedy. Someone died.

thatwhinypeasant

14d

It is so bizarre how her fans infantilize her and hold her accountable for absolutely nothing. Apparently there is normally a big moment of cheering after one of her songs, and the fans in Brazil are planning on having a moment of silence for Ana - the number of tweets I’ve seen saying how heartbreaking it will be for her are just crazy. A woman died but poor Taylor won’t get an ovation, that’s the real tragedy here 🫤

And everyone saying she couldn’t cancel that first show, or say Ana’s name, or make anything more than a generic statement because of legal repercussions as if she can’t afford to deal with literally anything, as if any money she had to pay out wouldn’t be a drop in the bucket for this literal billionaire.

Watch her make another documentary about this where she centres herself as the victim in this incident, and her brain dead fans will just eat it up.

bluemontanaskiesx

14d

I’m sure her legal team may have had something to do with this choice but it’s still so sad. It would be pennies to Taylor to help transport the body and cover funeral costs.

septimus897

13d

(apols if this is already covered in the downthread but) I've seen people defend TS by saying that she and her team can't do much in this situation because otherwise their actions will be used against her legally if they get sued, but she's literally a billionaire with a massive team. if anyone can either 1) fight the legal battle or 2) settle out of court and pay the family some form of compensation, which they totally deserve at this point, it would be taylor swift.

This whole situation is so icky, but I'm not at all surprised, this isn't out of character behaviour by blondie at all and her fans need to stop babygirling her. I definitely think the venue is at fault but you can't just abdicate all responsibility if you're a massive popstar with a huge team like this.

pjrnoc

13d

That’s so crazy. I actually thought about this the other day thinking “wow this must be devastating for Taylor. If I was in her shoes I’d automatically donate (anonymously if need be) a million dollars to her family.” You know? From her pov, if I were a giant beloved superstar and was the indirect reason of an awful tragedy. I really bought into her good-guy facade.

Someone had a theory (I think on twitter) that the reason she’s going all out with this Kelce madness is to take the attention off her Matty healy thing. I was like, wait yeah I actually did forget all about that!